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Hamilton, ON | Re: Full re-install has to end if Firefox to be sa Other than download size, though, it makes little difference. It retains your settings, bookmarks and plugins, the only thing I have to do is delete the setup file from my desktop when it's done. Works for me. | |
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| Re: Full re-install has to end if Firefox to be sa said by osme  :Other than download size, though, it makes little difference. It retains your settings, bookmarks and plugins, the only thing I have to do is delete the setup file from my desktop when it's done. Works for me. Check your add/remove programs. You'll see the other versions listed still.
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Far Beyond Driven
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join:2004-08-30
Newark, OH
| Hmm, I didn't have to do a full re-install when I update from 1.0.1 to 1.0.2. I think they just say to do that as a precaution. I did have to re-download the entire setup installer, although that was no big deal cause I'm on DSL  | |
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@pacbell.n
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Blackwood, NJ
| Re: Full re-install has to end if Firefox to be sa said by Tech-2005:
Why are you using dialup to download Firefox ? Why would you bother with Broadband Reports web site if you only use dialup ? Firefox downloads in about 10 seconds for me and for most people on BBR. I don't see how you can compare the monstrous 90MB Service Pack 2 downloads as a download "WIN" for Microsoft over independent programming groups for Firefox. Ultimately, I don't really understand the value in your posting those particular comments.
There are dial-up forums on BBR as well as other non broadband related formums. I think it's a very valid point that people on dialup will be very reluctant to download large updates. | |
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join:2003-11-29
Conyers, GA | NO PATIENCE I ALSO think it's a very valid point that people on dialup will be very reluctant to patch their systems with MS Updates, very reluctant to update their AV, etc etc....
Those with no patience are usually the ones who have the most trouble anyway. | |
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Burnt Out Cynic
Premium,MVM
join:2000-01-13
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| Re: Full re-install has to end if Firefox to be sa I've downloaded all my updates via dial-up, even the network install of SP2 with the use of a download manager at night over a couple nights. Most people are spoiled when it comes to speed, along with needing to have everything instantly, I still remember using modems rated in BAUD, not bps aka bits per second. I don't even use my connection enough to warrant paying for a broadband connection, and unlike some people might think, it doesn't take all day to download a few MBs of data, its abound 1MB every 3-4 minutes on a good connection, and if the data is plan text you can get some really good compression with stac compression to get up to 20KB per second of pure ascii text, like when doing newsgroups, etc..
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Why are you using dialup to download Firefox ? Why would you bother with Broadband Reports web site if you only use dialup ? Firefox downloads in about 10 seconds for me and for most people on BBR. I don't see how you can compare the monstrous 90MB Service Pack 2 downloads as a download "WIN" for Microsoft over independent programming groups for Firefox. Ultimately, I don't really understand the value in your posting those particular comments.
There are dial-up forums on BBR as well as other non broadband related formums. I think it's a very valid point that people on dialup will be very reluctant to download large updates. Yep, there is more to broadband discussisons in this awesome Web site. Security news, broadband services/issues, etc.
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@pacbell.n
| Re: Full re-install has to end if Firefox to be sa I don't think that ranting and raving about how long it takes to download a 5MB file using a dial up connection is going to "further" many minds. I would rather listen to someone complain about how badly muffled the sound is when they use a tin can and waxed string for a telephone. | |
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Insert Witty Tag Here
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join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA
| That Ivan guy was trolling the weblog, didn't you read the rest of the comments? He wanted a free lunch in terms of a new feature/improvement now, spewed "advice" on the subject, and then said he didn't want to help add this feature to the project. Useless comments.
A binary patch system is in the works for release sometime around Firefox 1.5, if what the replies to Mr. Icin said were correct. Until then, you have broadband, 14MB takes less than 30 seconds to download over a decent cable connection, so you can put up with it until then. Just think of the fact that since I use Gentoo Linux, I have to download a 30-something MB source code package and compile it to install these minor updates. | |
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join:2001-09-07
Hamilton, ON | Re: Full re-install has to end if Firefox to be sa 14MB is the total size of all the updates thus far. The whole thing is still less than 5MB, which takes less than half an hour on dialup. This guy is literally making a big deal out of nothing. | |
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join:2000-10-15
Thornwood, NY
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April 3rd, @12:16PM
| It should be noted that most people probably have broadband already and don't know it - Verizon Wireless. I'm not sure about the other carriers, but VZW offers free (as in used minutes / unlimited off-peak) ISDN-like service over their wireless network. Using a USB cable with my LG VX6000, I can get 10-15 kilobytes/sec download for no additional monthly charge.
14MB isn't that bad at 15k/sec. For $80/month, Verizon also offers their 300-500 kilobit/sec (40-60 kilobytes/sec) service in select major markets (ISDN-like service in the others).
While I sympathize with users stuck without broadband, most companies have made the jump into large file sizes for drivers/updates/etc:
Microsoft Windows XP SP2: 266MB
Microsoft Windows 2000 SP4: 129MB
Microsoft Office 2003 SP1: 72MB
Microsoft DirectX 9.0c: 34MB
NVIDIA 71.84 Video Driver: 18MB
ATI 5.3 Video Driver (Full package): 30MB
ATI 5.3 Video Driver (Driver only): 8MB
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join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL
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Look at what I found in my apache logs:
"GET /default.ida?XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
*XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX
*XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u90
*90%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u9090%u9090%u8190%u00c3%u0003%u8b00%u531b%u53
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Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Full re-install has to end if Firefox to be sasaid by reub2000 :Obviously Microsofts updating thingys aren't good enough. Look at what I found in my apache logs: "GET /default.ida?XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
*XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX
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*XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX%u9090%u6858%ucbd3%u7801%u
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*ff%u0078%u0000%u00=a HTTP/1.0" 404 278
(*) WARNING 1 long line(s) split
(*) WARNING 3 long line(s) split Given the number of pirated (and unpatched) copies of Windows running around out there, the above log entry says nothing about Microsoft's "updating thingy".
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Evanston, IL | Re: Full re-install has to end if Firefox to be sa I though MS only started denying patches to to pirated copies of windows recently.
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Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| 14 MB, oh no! What shall I do? 
Who gives a crap? This is broadbandreports.com, not dialupreports.com.
A dialup user could finish that file in an hour or so if he kept his connection running. There are many programs that are much bigger. Why should they have to cater to dialup users for?
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join:2001-09-22
Naugatuck, CT
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With that said, I'm currently on dialup. I find some of these huge updates annoying, but not impossible. While I understand that complex software is most likely to need a large and complex patch/update, I hardly think it's unreasonable to want programmers to write the tightest, most secure code they can conceive.
Really that is all that I think any of us Dialup users want.. Oh wait, so do the DSL users! 
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Who Dares Wins
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join:2003-05-31
Erie, PA
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| Look at it this way... For a work in progress I think FF has made some pretty good strides in the past year and things are improving all of the time.
I do not mind the 5 min clean install if I so chose.
Soon enough the dynamic update feature will be in palce and the nay sayers will just find something else to bitch about.
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| Just in time i was just getting used to my current settings after 1.01 broke all my extensions, and then 1.02 broke completely and lost my bookmarks too. i can't wait for 1.03 to break everything again!
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Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Just in time said by some guy:
i was just getting used to my current settings after 1.01 broke all my extensions, and then 1.02 broke completely and lost my bookmarks too. i can't wait for 1.03 to break everything again!
thank god for firefox, always keeping me from getting bored by forcing an hour or more work fixing it every time they have a new version
I really don't think that's FireFox - sounds more like PEBKAC problems. I've yet to run into the kind of problems you have.
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I really don't think that's FireFox - sounds more like PEBKAC problems. I've yet to run into the kind of problems you have
classic response "i never saw it, therefore it never happened!" toss in an idiotic acronym for good measure
extension support is a joke, and every time i "update" it breaks them all and i have to uninstall reinstall them
firefox has problems, even though the hardcore fanboys don't want to admit it (or because they haven't advanced to the level of installing the plugins to do all the things a browser is supposed to do anyway)
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Rockin' the Boxen
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| Re: Just in time said by some guy: quote:
I really don't think that's FireFox - sounds more like PEBKAC problems. I've yet to run into the kind of problems you have
classic response "i never saw it, therefore it never happened!" toss in an idiotic acronym for good measure extension support is a joke, and every time i "update" it breaks them all and i have to uninstall reinstall them firefox has problems, even though the hardcore fanboys don't want to admit it (or because they haven't advanced to the level of installing the plugins to do all the things a browser is supposed to do anyway) Not saying that Firefox doesn't "have issues". All software does. However, the specific gripes that you seem to have seem to be relatively unique (i.e., something that few people have bitched about with quite such color and candor as you use). Given the apparent uniqueness of your problem, that says that there's something that's likely fairly unique with your setup. The most unique component of any setup is the user - ergo: PEBKAC.
said by some guy:
here's an acronym for you GFY ASAP Wow. Big words. Did your momma help you come up with that?
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join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA
| updater Updating every month is getting really annoying. Yes, it's great that they fix bugs, but come on. I'm on dialup and downloading 15MB takes me nearly two hours.
On top of that, the auto-updater never works. And even if you do donwload the .exe you still have to uninstall Firefox, delete your profile folders, and reinstall or risk incompatibilities. | |
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join:2002-07-18
Kalamazoo, MI
| Re: updater said by ced06 :On top of that, the auto-updater never works. And even if you do donwload the .exe you still have to uninstall Firefox, delete your profile folders, and reinstall or risk incompatibilities. I agree with this. I think the auto-updater should be disabled until it really works as an updater. Uninstalling/reinstalling is not updating, in my book.
My mother and aunt are both dialup users. I hate sitting around downloading new versions of Firefox every visit (seeing as how I forget to put it on my thumb drive). A true update will be nice - I can wait 'til v1.5 or so, I guess. | |
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join:2004-10-18
Miami, FL | Just updated I just updated to 1.02 without a hitch. Didn't have to uninstall anything first. Just downloaded the new version and installed right over the previous version. Nothing was lost. So not quite sure what all the hubbub is about??? | |
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Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Just updated said by Leicafl :I just updated to 1.02 without a hitch. Didn't have to uninstall anything first. Just downloaded the new version and installed right over the previous version. Nothing was lost. So not quite sure what all the hubbub is about??? Open up the "Add/Remove Programs" tool. You'll most likely see that your registry thinks there are several different versions of FireFox installed.
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join:2001-08-02
2131 XA
| Re: Just updated said by nixen :said by Leicafl :I just updated to 1.02 without a hitch. Didn't have to uninstall anything first. Just downloaded the new version and installed right over the previous version. Nothing was lost. So not quite sure what all the hubbub is about??? Open up the "Add/Remove Programs" tool. You'll most likely see that your registry thinks there are several different versions of FireFox installed. -tom Hmm, just checked mine. Deleted previous releases with me. Have hust one version in the registry. | |
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Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
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| Re: Just updated said by hensepens :said by nixen :said by Leicafl :I just updated to 1.02 without a hitch. Didn't have to uninstall anything first. Just downloaded the new version and installed right over the previous version. Nothing was lost. So not quite sure what all the hubbub is about??? Open up the "Add/Remove Programs" tool. You'll most likely see that your registry thinks there are several different versions of FireFox installed. Hmm, just checked mine. Deleted previous releases with me. Have hust one version in the registry. Cool. Then it's behaving better than some of the pre-1.0 releases occasionally did.
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| You're missing the point... Since Firefox requires a full download of the program each and every time a point release (minor patch) comes out, they can continue pumping their numbers up!! This month:
"We are thrilled to report that our download figures are up 70% this month!"
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I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
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| Re: You're missing the point... said by jester121 : This month: "We are thrilled to report that our download figures are up 70% this month!" We've actually counted the same people about 8 times over). If what you write is true, then I'm a little more than disappointed with the FF folks 
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Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
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| said by jester121 :Since Firefox requires a full download of the program each and every time a point release (minor patch) comes out, they can continue pumping their numbers up!! This month: "We are thrilled to report that our download figures are up 70% this month!" (oh, and 99.99% of those were people already using the old version who downloaded it 6 months ago. We've actually counted the same people about 8 times over). Umm... I fail to understand your point. Lets assume for a moment that EVERYONE that runs 1.0.2 decides to update to 1.0.3. Further, let's assume that ONLY the 1.0.2 users decide to make use of 1.0.3. How much of an increase in downloads is that? That would be a 0% increase in downloads.
So, even if you do manage to get each and every 1.0.2 user to update and still manage to show a 70% greater number of dowloads of 1.0.3 versus 1.0.2, that means your user base has grown by up to 70%.
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join:2003-08-09
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| Re: You're missing the point... I was referring to aggregate downloads, meaning in March they announce that 10,000,000 people have downloaded FF since the dawn of time -- then in April they say they're up to 17,000,000.
If 100% of FF users re-download the program, that's a 100% increase (doubling) of the total number of downloads that have taken place. And THAT is the figure that FF people like to bandy about -- not 70% more 1.03 than 1.02.
(note -- I'm not bashing FF per se; I'm typing this into it right now. Just get a bit tired of their PR machine and fanboyistic following.) | |
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| Sometimes These forums sound like a bunch of female nurses bitching. Believe me there is nothing worse. Bitching, back stabbing, rumor mongering, you name it. In these forums there has been bitching about free downloads, bitching about Microsoft, Qwest, Verizon, SBC, Comcast. Carping between Linux, Microsoft, and Apple users, and on and on. To me it is very entertaining.:)
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| Re: Sometimes Thank God there is someone else on here that "gets it" about the the meaningless harping, carping, bitching, and moaning that simply wastes most of our time in this forum space. Unfortunately this form of cheap entertainment becomes counter productive as many of the truly knowledgeable technical people turn away from this kind of bantering. | |
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join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | Where? I went to the mozilla.org, and it's showing 1.0.2 as the lastest still. | |
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join:2001-09-22
Naugatuck, CT
| Here... I only took a quick look, but unless I'm mistaken this is a beta / release candidate. They're looking for testers (or other folks who've been having problems with the two issues 1.0.3 addresses).
Click here.. »weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/arch···886.html
NOTE: Updated the page in this link to reflect a new beta/RC since a bug was found and corrected since the original news posting. Goes to the same website, just a different HTML page.
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I think once they set up an updating system properly and create a code template then all they need to do is enter the code that they need to add or change. Firefox is so much better the IE that i really don't care about the 14MG download considering it can take hours to get rid of something that got through IE then to be safe with firefox that is set up properly, the benifits outway the downsides. | |
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