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1 edit | So.... ....as soon as DOCSIS 3.0 is released, most MSO's may upgrade to DOCSIS 2.0? 
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enOehT
Premium
join:2003-05-17
Langhorne, PA
1 edit | UPLOAD? What will the upload be with Docsis 3.0? I am hoping for SYMMETRICAL connections. This asymmetrical stuff is for the birds. | |
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join:2002-01-02
2 edits | Re: UPLOAD? What will the upload be with Docsis 3. said by enOehT  :I am hoping for SYMMETRICAL connections. This asynchronous stuff is for the birds. ADSL3(100/100 i think) and DOCSIS 3.0(100/100 ?) ARE SYMMETRICAL standards, the problem is that the providers simply won't give it to you.. they save money that way.
Yes i know ADSL stands for ASYMMETRICAL DSL but the standard is still capable of providing symmetric speeds (ADSL1/2 up to 1/1 Mbps).
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join:2001-03-27
Lawrence, KS
 ·Sunflower Broadband
| Re: UPLOAD? What will the upload be with Docsis 3. I've been wondering this for quite some time...how exactly is it that they save money by not giving me more upload speed? Does it cost them more to give me 768 over 384? Its a load of crap so that you'll buy more expensive service. If their infrastructure can support it, it doesn't cost them anything. | |
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58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11
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| said by B777300 :Yes i know ADSL stands for asynshrous DSL The "A" is for Asymmetrical. enOehT is confused.
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enOehT
Premium
join:2003-05-17
Langhorne, PA
| Re: UPLOAD? What will the upload be with Docsis 3. said by RadioDoc :said by B777300 :Yes i know ADSL stands for asynshrous DSL The "A" is for Asymmetrical. enOehT is confused. Asynchronous and synchronous are something else entirely. LOL! Right you are. I must need some sleep.  | |
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join:2000-12-28
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UPLOAD? What will the upload be with Docsis 3.0?
I am hoping for SYMMETRICAL connections. This asymmetrical stuff is for the birds.
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join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: UPLOAD? What will the upload be with Docsis 3. said by DToX : quote:
UPLOAD? What will the upload be with Docsis 3.0?
I am hoping for SYMMETRICAL connections. This asymmetrical stuff is for the birds.
Funny guy, birds can't use the internet You might want to check out RFC1149 »www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html and RFC2549 »www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.html to see that they do/can. | |
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| In the meanwhile me and thousands of cablemodem subscribers move over to fios... and they lose money while they calculate how many subscriber losses they can tolerate.. it takes you switching providers for them to move people. So get on the horn and tell them so, | |
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@optonline.net
| Well, while they're playing catchup... I'll be sitting here with fios at 15 MEGABITS in 2005. Verizon can compete bit for bit, dollar for dollar so let the competition begin... docsis 3.0 is still a VERY expensive implementation, besides there are no cozy affiliations with teir-1 backbone providers that will give the cablecos a sweetheart deal for 2-3 times the current bandwidth they're currently using.
Verizon is preparing for the future (MCI acquisition), cablecos are fighting over content, price hikes and forced, strongarmed bundling... the Anti Cablemodem TRIPLE-PLAY is UNBUNDLING, and COMPETITIVE SERVICES OVER FIBER or risk bankrupcy, your choice. | |
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| Re: So.... said by playingcatchup:
Well, while they're playing catchup... I'll be sitting here with fios at 15 MEGABITS in 2005. Verizon can compete bit for bit, dollar for dollar so let the competition begin... docsis 3.0 is still a VERY expensive implementation, besides there are no cozy affiliations with teir-1 backbone providers that will give the cablecos a sweetheart deal for 2-3 times the current bandwidth they're currently using.
Verizon is preparing for the future (MCI acquisition), cablecos are fighting over content, price hikes and forced, strongarmed bundling... the Anti Cablemodem TRIPLE-PLAY is UNBUNDLING, and COMPETITIVE SERVICES OVER FIBER or risk bankrupcy, your choice.
1) Catchup? How many people can get FIOS? Ergo even DSL?
2) You think replacing a few CMTS and Modems is expensive? Why not ask Verizon how much is costs them to provide FIOS?
3) No cozy Tier-1 affiliations? The last time I checked, ATDN was a Tier-1 provider.
4) Time Warner can provide fiber to me any time I want. Just at the moment they are providing something MUCH better than DSL, at a MUCH lower price. Does it compete with FIOS? Hell no. But FIOS isn't a threat to anyone not in the Verizon service area. | |
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join:2001-12-13
Las Vegas, NV
| ATM I enjoy my cable internet through Comcast. Considering the headend is only 2.7 miles from where I live. I have only had my modem drop it's connection just a few times. Going to upgrade to 6 megs at month's end. Whoever offers the most bandwidth for less price I will go with. Glad to see fiber is slowly taking over and dark fiber will be used instead of being laid to waste like it has been for so long | |
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Aquaman1940
join:2004-08-10
Chesapeake, VA | my ten cents (that's right- a dime, not 2 pennies) Verizon Fios or Cox...
doesnt matter as long as it's fast.
I think websites are going to need to upgrade to support even faster connections. what good is all that speed if no one uploads more than 5mbits a sec. | |
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@mindspring.com | 50Mbpsssssssssssssss Yeahhhh Yeaaaahhh That's way I will stay with earthlink/TWNYC
4444444444444444EVEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR&42.00/Month YeaaaHHHHH
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| Re: 50Mbpsssssssssssssss Yeahhhh said by Anom123:
Yeaaaahhh That's way I will stay with earthlink/TWNYC
4444444444444444EVEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR&42.00/Month YeaaaHHHHH
Also>>>>GOD BLESS AMERICA
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join:2005-01-11
Hollywood, FL | said by Anom123:
Yeaaaahhh That's way I will stay with earthlink/TWNYC
4444444444444444EVEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR&42.00/Month YeaaaHHHHH
Also>>>>GOD BLESS AMERICA
WTF? | |
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World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ | Re: 50Mbpsssssssssssssss Yeahhhh I call Nasty Biker Crank. The kind that is like sticking a Rabid Wolverine up your schnozz. | |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | DOCSIS Has a Big Problem The biggest problem with DOCSIS: you have to deal with a cable company to get it.
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join:2003-09-19
| Re: DOCSIS Has a Big Problem So what do you prefer, ADSL?
I'd take cable any day over DSL.
BTW - a lot of cable ISP's already have DOCSIS 2.0, they just throttle the bandwidth to 5, 8, 10Mbps, whatever so they have room to "grow" and offer premium plans...
I have 5Mbps with TWC, happy with that for now, but I'm sure I'd like faster... | |
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toddbs98
join:2000-07-08
North Little Rock, AR
clubs: | Re: DOCSIS Has a Big Problem What good is a fat pipe if the cable companies cancel your account for barely using it? Ill stick with my faster and cheaper DSL. | |
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Matt
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·North State Commun..
2 edits | Re: DOCSIS Has a Big Problem said by toddbs98 :What good is a fat pipe if the cable companies cancel your account for barely using it? Ill stick with my faster and cheaper DSL. My cable company doesn't.
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thender2
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| said by toddbs98 :What good is a fat pipe if the cable companies cancel your account for barely using it? Ill stick with my faster and cheaper DSL. Word.
I know someone who got constant port scans from RoadRunner if he uploaded at over 10 KBps for one hour.
Comcast has been sending out abuse letters for their overloaded nodes.
OOL is the worst here, which is to be expected since their plan is also the most ridiculous(10/1) in comparison to the competition. They cap you if you use your upstream, and even tried to throttle people who downloaded for more than 20 minutes. Windows update could be considered "abuse", here.
Natrually, none of these providers tell you their limits, they just tell you not to abuse the connection.
It's like a teacher who tells you to write an essay, and when you ask how long, she says "long enough". You write 250 words, and she fails you because she expected 500 - how should you know if you were never told?
Cable sucks.
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JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
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| said by dibbb :So what do you prefer, ADSL? The topic compares DOCSIS to FiOS. My preference will be FiOS when it becomes available. Until then, I'll stick with whatever non-cable offering I can find.
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imrf
Premium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI
·Comcast
| Re: DOCSIS Has a Big Problem said by JTRockville :It's too much work to be a cable customer. Only if you live in MD. | |
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Love it, Hate it.
join:2003-07-10
Baltimore, MD
·Comcast
| Re: DOCSIS Has a Big Problem From MD Baltimore, I am vary happy to hear that if Verizon does go threw with all its plans it will create allot of competition between VZ and Comcast. so I am happy if cable gets The upgrade, I would stay with them if they dropped the price to around the same price range as the new VZ plans if it ever comes to be.
Both sides tho here where I live have just about perfect cs so it will ride on service and price but one thing I do like about verizon is the added msn that's always been nice.
I have had both dsl and cable but I like cable only for one reason, speed. | |
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join:2003-09-19
| Well, FiOS isn't available to me yet, and not to a lot of people either.
I hope you don't have to wait to long, and sorry you don't like cable.
I've been with TWC since mid-2000, and haven't heard a modem handshake yet... (well, not really, I'm in IT so I have heard that sound, but not at home anyway..)
And the other broadband option available to me, DSL, is less than a third of the speed of my cable on it's worst day.
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maartena
Super Grover
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
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| said by JTRockville The topic compares DOCSIS to FiOS.[/BQUOTE:The problem is however, that FIOS is a Verizon product that will only reach their market share. SBC and other Bells have no plans, or cancelled fiber to the home plans. On the other side, there is a good possibility cable companies may move fiber to the homes. They ALREADY have fiber to the nodes in most cases, which is why they are able to get a 1000 channels to you and video on demand AND a speedy cablemodem. I'm guessing that the next cable vs dsl speed wars are going to be about upload. Cable has a higher upload capacity then DSL at this moment, and future technologies promise even more. DLS has the distance limitation and newer technologies can only be implemented on shorter distances, whereas a cablenetwork can easily be expanded on by adding a few nodes to a new neighbourhood being built. --
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join:2001-09-07
Potomac, MD
| you mean you prefer having an internet connection that actually stays up? and doesnt require countless calls to tech support to finally get something done?
hmm, as a comcast user in Maryland i'd have to say ive been using them for a long time, and had some fairly bad horror stories with them.. the last 6+ months have been fairly good with little to no problems at all... they almost make me forget the couple times were my cable had 40-80% packet loss for 3 and 4+ months...
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SpitefulCrow
Insert Witty Tag Here
Premium
join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA | Cablevision does not use DOCSIS 2.0. I have a DOCSIS 1.1-capable SB4200 with a config file containing the string "docsis1.0" or something like that. | |
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join:2003-09-19
| Re: DOCSIS Has a Big Problem Just because your particualar modem is DOCSIS 1.0/1.1 doesn't mean that the rest of the network couldn't be 2.0.
My modem is DOCSIS 2.0 compatible, but that doesn't mean it's running at 2.0 speeds either.
All I'm saying is that a lot of cable ISP's are already gearing up their backbones to be 2.0-ready, so when they're ready to flip the switch and give us faster speeds, they won't have to sink tons of money in new routers all at once. | |
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Premium
join:2001-12-29
Westland, MI
| Re: DOCSIS Has a Big Problem said by dibbb :All I'm saying is that a lot of cable ISP's are already gearing up their backbones to be 2.0-ready, so when they're ready to flip the switch and give us faster speeds, they won't have to sink tons of money in new routers all at once. The DOCSIS 1.0 to 1.1 to 2.0 evolution has effectively done nothing to increase downstream bandwidth capability of the plant, so the notion that an ISP is gearing up their backbones to be 2.0-ready is puzzling at best. 2.0 increases the potential upstream channel bandwidth from 1.1's 10 Mbps to 30 Mbps, but it is still not clear whether the ultimate intent is to boost upstream caps or reduce the number of upstream cards in the CMTS chassis (most plants run multiple upstream channels per downstream channel). | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | You forgot to add that the nodes are already oversold and you will hit that imaginary bandwidth cap in one day instead of one week. | |
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AndyWarhol
Premium
join:2004-03-14
Broken Arrow, OK
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| Re: DOCSIS Has a Big Problem Excuse me, but greater connection bandwidth does NOT cause you to reach bandwidth caps faster... If you are downloading a few megs a day with your connection now, then (if you dont change your internet habits) you will download no more than those few megs a day when you have greater bandwidth. The only thing that greater connection bandwidth affects is the SPEED at which the information arrives at the destination...
If you download a 2 GB file over a 1 Mbps connection and download the same file over an OC 768 connection, does the file size increase proportionately to the increase in bandwidth? Hell no, but does the time the file takes to reach you decrease? Absolutely it does. It's undeniable | |
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bbrkdub
join:2001-10-03
Houston, TX
| Re: DOCSIS Has a Big Problem Fat upload/download pipes are good for one thing--multimedia. Until the MPAA/RIAA straighten themselves out (yeah, right) you won't catch me upgrading to anything that high.
Plus, cable companies have a nasty habit of charging entirely too much for their Cable Modem services.
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by AndyWarhol :
Excuse me, but greater connection bandwidth does NOT cause you to reach bandwidth caps faster... If you are downloading a few megs a day with your connection now, then (if you dont change your internet habits) you will download no more than those few megs a day when you have greater bandwidth. The only thing that greater connection bandwidth affects is the SPEED at which the information arrives at the destination...
If you download a 2 GB file over a 1 Mbps connection and download the same file over an OC 768 connection, does the file size increase proportionately to the increase in bandwidth? Hell no, but does the time the file takes to reach you decrease? Absolutely it does. It's undeniable
Obviously sarcasm escapes you but I will elaborate.
If your speed increases then the amount of data you CAN acquire in a given time increases which COULD lessen the time to hit the limit. You even said it yourself. | |
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fegul
Premium
join:2004-08-23
united state
| When was this you say?.... I don't think we'll be seeing those speeds for a couple years if not more. Cable companies have been a little slow to respond to these threats to their consumer base, but that will change. FIOS plays a larger role than it realizes because it'll begin pressuring cable co's to give their clients more "bang for the buck" something my cable company (Comcast) is not known for.
Who knows, it might happen but FIOS would probably be here before Comcast went DOCSIS 3!
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saber11
Check Six
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join:2000-06-09
Clayton, OH | I can see it now... 100mbps down/384K upload | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| And I say unto you........ Sounds like predictions of the 2nd coming of Christ. It WILL! happen St Docsis will soon announce the 100MBPS connection to God, and we will defeat the Anti-Fios
(aka the Anti Christ).
Talk is cheap and Cable knows it. Promise the great un-washed consumer everything and deliver nothing.
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| Re: And I say unto you........ I love the cable haters....they are so filled with pent up anger..its funny to listen to them spout off.
Different strokes for different folks i guess...I for one dislike the Big bells...corruption up the ladder if you ask me...but that goes with ALL business. I have never had an issue with my Cable Co. same one for 15 years 2 states several different residences...go figure.
Come to think of it..I don't really dislike Verizon either... | |
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phunkysmell
@comcast.net
| Re: And I say unto you........ LOL, yes cable companies are so evil for raising rates endlessly.
Of course none of the bells would ever force you to pay $30/month extra for a "phone" line just to have DSL, and they'd never do anything to try to stop you from using a VoIP provider of your choice (port blocking, lobbying for VoIP regulation, not cooperating on VoIP e911, etc.). | |
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TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
Premium
join:2002-01-25
Wesley Chapel, FL
1 edit | said by LeftOfSanity:
I love the cable haters....they are so filled with pent up anger..its funny to listen to them spout off.
Different strokes for different folks i guess...I for one dislike the Big bells...corruption up the ladder if you ask me...but that goes with ALL business. I have never had an issue with my Cable Co. same one for 15 years 2 states several different residences...go figure.
Come to think of it..I don't really dislike Verizon either...
LOL because Cable companies are so wonderful and cuddly? Gimmie a break.
I don't think everyone here posting about the woes of cable were Telco Fanboys. We were just commenting how ridiculous cable companies manage upload speed and their adaption to new tech.
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join:2001-12-03
Carrollton, TX | increased cost oh and of cour$e there will be a rate increa$e to cover the new upgrade to Doc$i$ 3.0 .... | |
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Premium
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Sharon, WI
clubs: | Re: increased cost $omething tell$ me yous $ key doe$n't work. | |
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Sebastian
Premium
join:2000-12-22
New Haven, CT
| Re: increased cost the Bells should be the ones worried.. cable can compete with fiber (eventually..) DSL will eventually loose the battle against cable because of its limits and then it will be just cable and fiber battling it out.
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
Premium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
 ·Verizon FIOS
| What's the point? What's the point if no cable company will ever sell us this?
They'll just use it as an excuse to downtime and rate hikes all over the world, claiming they're "upgrading to DOCSIS 3.0", only when they're not. They already oversell their nodes and overstuff them with anyone that's willing to pay $40+/month for the agony.
Not to mention that even if we do get the speed increase, they'll forget all about increasing the upload speeds (which they could because in theory, this tech should make it so that we could have 2M upload, easily for maybe even cheaper than what it costs them to give us the 384k upload now. But would they care? No. And guess what? there's nothing we can do about it because for many of us on cable, alternate forms of broadband are either unavailable or too unreliable/unfeasible to switch to. 
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | Nope Unless something lights a fire under Comcast to deploy Docsis 3.0 you wont see it in this life time. | |
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J D McDorce
Premium
join:2001-12-29
Westland, MI
1 edit | Bonding Channels vs. Available Spectrum Assuming that the bonding of four 6 MHz channels into a 120 Mbps stream shown in the graphic scales to up to 96 channels mentioned in the article, that would equate to at least 576 MHz of spectrum used. That doesn't leave a whole lot of room in a 850 MHz plant, particularly when one considers return path and other services carried over the same plant. Killing off analog CATV would certainly free up spectrum and I would imagine combining data, video, and voice into the same fat stream is an option (which is oddly similar to FTTH).
My point? Creating a fat pipe in the lab through bonding appears to be a sound concept. Implementing it in a cable plant in concert with other services may present bigger challenges. | |
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broadbandwar
@optonline.net
| customer churn If you only subscribe to cablemodem without phone or video, the fios will be a better alternative. Verizon knew that dsl was not a competitive force against cablemodems even where the bandwidth was in parity to bad dsl speeds... (768kbit/128) Now fiber is being installed in many communities, well over 100 at the moment and this will continue to chip away the old 1-10mbit cablemodem shared bandwidth customers slowly, but surely until docis 2.0 speeds are realized, My guess is that for some companies, its just a simple matter of updating the headend system and modulating the signal(and pushing firmware upgrades) for higher bandwidth under docsis 2.0, which will be more expensive for them, Maybe for that $100 of triple play they're offering, maybe they can partner with blockbuster and give free video rentals in that plan so people won't eat all that bandwidth downloading movies and such...otherwize verizon will eat their lunch, yum yum yum..
Don't be afraid to switch, if satellite and/or regular pots are your thing, fios is a better partner.
BTW, why, oh why don't cable companies have local number portability for voip?
They need to work on some of these issues without my $50 a month helping them...anyone else joining me? | |
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@rr.com | Re: customer churn WTF?
Time Warner does have local number portability for voip.
Most MSO's do!
What are you talking about? | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| So in reality...what does this mean? Ok. Great. So cable companies can switch over to to DOCSIS 3.0. and will allow 100mbit transfers. Just because the technology is there doesn't mean it can be practically implemented. The question still remains if the cable network backbone can support this. All of the FIOS/FTTP/FTTN news that I've heard in recent time has always indicated that the infrastructure is being built from the ground up.
Is DOCSIS 3.0 going to require cable companies to either replace either existing fiber distribution networks, or extend the existing network further into the neighborhoods? If it's the former, I can't see a lot of cable companies jumping for joy in having to replace all that work they've done the last few years with replacing their old copper lines with fiber. If it's the latter, I can't see any of the smaller cable companies replacing miles of neighborhood coax with fiber in the very near future affordably.
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SoilFlames
Premium
join:2002-03-17
Anoka, MN
clubs:
| coax/copper = inferior Well coax and copper are inferior technologies so either way when it comes down to it...cable companies eventually will have to *become* fios being as they run fiber to the nodes and then coax to homes. VZ is skipping the inferior technology and running the future straight to our doors. As far as cost goes yes it will save telco's lot's of money by doing fttn ala adsl2+/3/4++/5/6 whatever they want to call it but it's not future proof as verizon's methods are. Eventually Telco's and CableCo's will have the same infrastructure in place. And that infrastructure will be purely fiber. The possibilities of fiber have just begun as opposed to copper/coax expanding but will eventually be more limited as compared to fiber. | |
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Good Ol Dan
join:2000-05-15
Rochelle Park, NJ
| Yeah, well... ...Time Warner can't get enough signal to me now for their standard cable modem to work within DOCSIS 1.0 specs (even after their network upgrade around here). If they ever did get DOCSIS 3.0 working, it would probably be just a fast drop to a crappy, high latency, packet dropping ADTN backbone.
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pzubel
join:2005-03-23
Tolleson, AZ
| few things This thing is all very amusing and most of you sound like your from the east coast. Well my options are Qwest and Cox, Qwest 2 weeks and we will get you maybe for a 256/256 or cox shows up the next day for the same price i get 4meg down and 756 up. if i have a problem I call Cox they blaim my modem sell me a new one then have to come out 6 more times to fix it and refund the new modem or Qwest where you never get past the sorry you dont have the linebacker(the servics that covers your inhouse wireing)and everything on our end looks great so you will need to call an electrician o and BTW you owe us for your phone bill from 1972.
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@optonline.net | Re: few things They're actually doing something out west in middle america, besides voting republican?
Last thing we knew was that Keller TX rollout, beyond that, nufim'... | |
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join:2005-03-23
Tolleson, AZ | Re: few things Well i know they are running it but i don't know for what or by who. O and yes we are getting rather progressive out here i think most of the hitching posts are finally down and we moved the outhouse indoors last week | |
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Anon4321
@verizon.ne
| Everyone is absolutely right!!! If it wasnt for Cable internet, then we would all still be using 56k or ISDN... why would the phone CO's ever change anything? They wouldnt have to. Luckly competition became a serious threat and forced some changes. Same goes in reverse of course... hence why Verizon and others are playing catch-up. Hopefully FiOS and Cable will continue to battle efficently....
Dis-regarding RAW Speed for a moment...
GPRS and Mobitex style networks may become the Internet of choice anyway. Mobile phones are so common now adays, and the companys are still building towers and increasing their coverage. T-Mobile has a GPRS card for 99.00 and unlimited service for 29.99. Verizon and Cingular seem to still charge 80.00 bucks.
Pros:
Mobility
Better than Dial-up/ Slower than DSL (for now)
GRPS has a great record against fraud
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Limited Coverage (for now)
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join:2005-03-23
Tolleson, AZ | Re: Everyone is absolutely right!!! Are you implying that i will be running my pc threw my cell phone to play my favorite mmorpg ?? | |
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ANON4321
@verizon.ne
| Re: Everyone is absolutely right!!! Well I have learned never to say never with this industry... but who is to say how long. I think there was an article about Wi-Fi not needed in Japan due to the Cellular internet coverage provided. Anyway for the highest current and reliable speeds(kinda ironic), you need Cable or DSL period... | |
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AndrewG10
| What about WiMax I think we are heading to a world that is full of useless, barely usable incompatible networks
WiMax
CDMA2000
GPRS
Satellite
Fttp
Cable
I just want 1 wireless and 1 wired standard to receive video, data, and voice. | |
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