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Chengdu Rocks
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Falls Church, VA |  Silly backward countries
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Glen Burnie, MD | Re: Silly backward countries Problem is that this is a source of government income for many countries. These aren't simply the "phone company" but government agencies. | |
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DDDDDDDDD
@12.32.x.x | Re: Silly backward countries TelMex is owned by a corrupt Mexican Mafioso. Look him up on forbes as one of the richest people in the world. | |
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ksmith501
@nvbell.ne
| Vonage Forums After reading this story, I went to go check out the Vonage forum thread about this Mexican VOIP issue...So I'm reading the rational replies from the Mexicans looking for help, and then stumble upon this "gem" of a response, FROM A 5-STAR VONAGE FORUM MEMBER:
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not baiting you with this question, I'm genuinely interested to know...why would an American want to retire to Mexico? Is it a lot cheaper to live there? And how are Americans treated there? I assumed Mexico was dirty and corrupt and generally unsafe, or else millions of Mexicans wouldn't be streaming across the desert every year to get here. What's the attraction for an American to want to live in Mexico?"
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Perhaps I am thin skinned, but does anyone else think this is just flat out wrong? I am absolutely appalled and amazed that the Vonage forum admins let this post remain on the board.
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jmkraft
Essayons
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Paris, IL
| Re: Vonage Forums ksmith501,
IMHO it was a legitimate question from someone that is genuinely interested in why an American would want to live in Mexico...
On the original topic - I can see people flocking to the sat providers if these countries keep this up...
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ksmith501
@nvbell.ne
| Re: Vonage Forums so, the "I assumed Mexico was dirty and corrupt and generally unsafe, or else millions of Mexicans wouldn't be streaming across the desert every year to get here" part is excused because he is "genuinely interested"? sheesh what a world we live in. | |
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| Re: Vonage Forums said by ksmith501:
so, the "I assumed Mexico was dirty and corrupt and generally unsafe, or else millions of Mexicans wouldn't be streaming across the desert every year to get here" part is excused because he is "genuinely interested"? sheesh what a world we live in.
How about we rephrase? If Mexico is nice enough that someone with wealth would want to retire there, why are people leaving in droves? | |
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crazediamond
That's Dr. Craze to you
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join:2002-01-19
Germantown, MD
| Re: Vonage Forums said by footballdude  :How about we rephrase? If Mexico is nice enough that someone with wealth would want to retire there, why are people leaving in droves? I dont know, but being wealthy probably can make most places nicer, just like being poor can make them worse.
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| Re: Vonage Forums said by crazediamond :I dont know, but being wealthy probably can make most places nicer, just like being poor can make them worse. Can't argue with that, but why is the question being considered so outrageous? | |
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jmkraft
Essayons
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Paris, IL
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March 21st, @04:23PM
| ksmith501,
You are correct, maybe he should check his facts - he might have exagerated a little by saying "millions". But by merely stating what his assumptions are should not be cause for alarm...
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Re: Vonage Forums What I find interesting after a Mexican President finishs their term in office they most always leave the country to live in Europe like a King with their pocketed ill gotten loot. | |
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join:2002-12-26
Ventura, CA
| said by jmkraft :...maybe he should check his facts - he might have exagerated a little by saying "millions"... No, that number is not exaggerated at all. There are nearly 3 million illegal immigrants from Mexico as of 1996, 54 percent of all illegal immigrants.
»uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs···egal.htm | |
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jmkraft
Essayons
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Paris, IL
| Re: Vonage Forums said by altidude :said by jmkraft :...maybe he should check his facts - he might have exagerated a little by saying "millions"... No, that number is not exaggerated at all. There are nearly 3 million illegal immigrants from Mexico as of 1996, 54 percent of all illegal immigrants. » uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs···egal.htm the "millions" was refered to as annually...
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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| said by jmkraft :ksmith501, You are correct, maybe he should check his facts - he might have exagerated a little by saying "millions". But by merely stating what his assumptions are should not be cause for alarm... No.... At least 750,000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are streaming in from Mexico per year, this is what we KNOW... Think about it, there is probably a MILLION/YEAR who come in illegally!
We need to put an end to this, that corrupt country is ruining America.
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join:2005-01-12
Albany, NY
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March 21st, @10:25PM
| Re: Vonage Forums Just to complement the information,a between 600,000 and amillion americans live in Mexico...
»www.freep.com/news/nw/mexico21e_20050321.htm
Now, people that do not understand Mexican reality are always eager to give an opinion, people that don't understand economics are the same... but the truth is a lot more complex and I don't think is topic for a broadband forum. | |
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Mexican Invasion
@66.52.x.x
| TIME Magazine, Sept 20, 2004, pegged it at 15,000,000 illegal aliens, with approximately 3,000,000 illegal aliens crossing the U.S. Border per year. That number included the ones who are caught (the ones we Know about), and added in the estimated number of ones who aren't caught (the ones we don't know about, but we know we miss a lot).
Anyway, there's nothing wrong with asking why someone would want to retire to Mexico. There are a lot nicer places in the world, and 3,000,000 Mexicans per year can't be wrong! | |
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BajaMrBill
@popsite.net
| Telmex customers unhappy with the slowdown affecting their Vonage VoIP won't be happy switching to Satellite. I installed a DirecWay system in Dec 2004 and signed up for a Vonage-type service (iconnecthere.com) and it simply wouldn't work. It turned out that DirecWays UPLOAD speeds are horrible, at times as low as 19k, but never higher than dialup. I ended up subscribing to Crystal Voice, which is cheap, but outgoing only and the delay is annoying at best. | |
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ToddlerTN
| Well, I just happen to be the one who posted that over at vonage-forum, and imagine my surprise to discover this thread!
I genuinely wanted to know why anyone from America would choose to retire in Mexico. I asked whether there were economic ("Is it a lot cheaper to live there?"), or cultural ("How are Americans treated there?") advantages to living in Mexico. I admitted that my impression of Mexico is that the country is dirty, corrupt and generally unsafe, as evidenced by the millions of illegal immigrants eagerly fleeing Mexico each year to come to our country. So I asked again, "What's the attraction for an American to want to live in Mexico?"
Now I didn't think any of that was "appalling," "amazing," or just "flat-out wrong." I thought it was inquisitive and honest.
Now here's the interesting part. I never got an answer. No one over there ever came up with a reason why Americans would move to Mexico, nor did anyone here. Well, I take that back...I did receive one Private Message over there from someone who said most Americans who leave the US for a life in Mexico do so as a means of hiding, and the sender also predicted I'd never get a public answer to my question for that very reason.
So there you go, and I'll stand behind all of it. | |
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bokamba
Chengdu Rocks
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Falls Church, VA | Re: Vonage Forums Well, it is probably cheaper to live in Mexico, but it's certainly not as clean and probably not as safe. And I'm sure that many Americans living in Mexico are hiding from justice. | |
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anon4thispost
@anonymizer.com
| Funny you should say that. I am a member here but because of what I'm about to say I want to be anonymous for this post - if I wasn't someone might make the connection with the person I'm talking about and things could get ugly.
A couple of years ago I got into an argument with one of the other members in one of the forums, who just happened to live in Mexico. There were several indications that he was originally an American, and he was also quite confrontational. It was one of those situations where I couldn't understand where the guy was coming from in some of the things he was saying. Another thing was that he seemed to change his alias every so often.
Then another member sent me a PM to clue me in, with a link to the guy's personal web page. How shall I say this, the web page made one think he might be behaving like some of the Catholic priests that have made the wrong kind of news lately. What shocked me was that he could apparently be fairly open about it there. The web page did not actually come right out and say "I am a gay pedophile" but if you read between the lines just a little, that was definitely the impression you came away with, and it was certainly the impression of the guy who sent me the PM.
Hiding out is one possibility, but I suspect that some Americans go to Mexico because they can do things there that would get them imprisoned for a very long time if they did them in the U.S., not that such things are necessarily legal there, but the system is so corrupt that the officials can be bribed to look the other way.
Also there are probably Americans that move there to get affordable prescription medications or medical treatments that are banned in the United States. After the FDA shut down all the Hoxsey cancer clinics in the U.S., one was opened in Mexico and there are probably people who are alive today because of that clinic. I'm not suggesting that all Mexican clinics are better than their U.S. counterparts but if you have ever had a loved one die of cancer and then you read what happened to Hoxsey, you might get very angry at the FDA and the AMA. Again these are Americans who don't agree with certain U.S. laws and want an alternative, only in this case it's for good purposes rather than evil. | |
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anon4thispostALSO
@optonline.net
| Re: Vonage Forums Ah, I know who you are, I sent you that website a few years back. Funny, I have not posted here for some time now, but this caught my eye, how could it not. When ToddlerTN made the comment that he did here: »www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic4133.html I privately shared with him the same I shared with you, but not in the same detail.
Although I am sure there are many valid reason for an American to want to reside in Mexico, I believe there exist many invalid reason such as this one. | |
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Terequeen
@com.m
| Hello from Mexico,
I just read your post and have a few answers. Yes Mexico has its problems but depending on where you live there can be a lot of tranquility.I have been here about 3 years and I vacation in Europe, South America and the US sometimes.
Mexico probably has the best natural resources in North America and they are largely undeveloped. Why? Corrupt government. Imagine being able to try to be the police of the world as the US tries to do. Imagine a country with only one political party for over 70 years!!! A country of monopoly. Only gas is Pemex. Only phone is Telmex. The Catholic Church is one of the biggest deterents. Get the picture?
The absence of a large middle class. Uneducated Mexico cross the border because of the existence of jobs that lazy Americans do not want to do. Educated Mexicans such as doctors, lawyers, educators wouldn`t think of moving to the US. The US has something called Welfare and General Assistance in some states. It is better for many to collect welfare and food stamps than work for a living.
In Mexico, that does not exist. No work, no eat. That`s why very few illegal aliens get into trouble. They work to help out at home. No holdups, no women walking the streets.Just a low profile.
In Latin culture, the elderly are taken care of and respected. It's very rare your son would want to declare you mentally incompetent to get their inheritance early.
We all get old and frail. Your chances of getting mugged are a lot greater in the US.
Depending on where you reside, a person may want to retire and live the good life. San Miguel de Allende is one place of notoriety. Mexico is a good place to relax for a few years and live large if you plan it well.
The quality of life is on the way up. The quality of life in the US, well are you really better off? | |
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA
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| | donaldk
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join:2000-10-19
Thunder Bay, ON
| Vonage should let the VoIP run over port 80 for the connection set up, make it appear like HTTP traffic. Silly that this happens, but the VoIP business is going to have to get a bit creative, (now if a law is passed then there is not much that can be done legally). | |
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join:2004-10-08
New Brunswick, NJ
| Re: Silly backward countries just to let everyone know, the problem with telmex customers is that their outbound audio to the people they call or the people that call them is extremely choppy, no matter which port the RTP packets are being sent across. the rtp packets appear to be deprioritized by Telmex, not outright blocked. telmex customers (as of now, at least) are still able to make and recieve calls, the quality is just awful. it was fine up until a few weeks ago, at least according to customer statements. | |
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PA23
join:2001-12-12
East Hanover, NJ
| said by donaldk :Vonage should let the VoIP run over port 80 for the connection set up, make it appear like HTTP traffic. Not so easily done. HTTP traffic, yes its port 80, but TCP port 80 while the protocols used for VoIP are UDP. Although UDP uses port numbers as well, the protocol is very different and is easily distinguishable from http port 80 traffic.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
| Re: Silly backward countries said by PA23 :Not so easily done. HTTP traffic, yes its port 80, but TCP port 80 while the protocols used for VoIP are UDP. What about using ports 53 like DNS. Doesn't DNS use UDP?
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rtcpenguin
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Fairfax, VA
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| said by bokamba :Kazakhstan's government telecom monopoly is equally cumbersome and stifling of telecommunications improvement I concur. Borat really needs to get on that issue.
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borat aight
@comcast.net
| Re: Silly backward countries In my country there is problem, and that problem is the Jew....
Throw the Jew down the well! So my country can be free! Apparently, it's the Jews causing these problems.  | |
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rtcpenguin
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Fairfax, VA
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| Re: Silly backward countries said by borat aight:In my country there is problem, and that problem is the Jew....
Throw the Jew down the well! So my country can be free! Apparently, it's the Jews causing these problems. I have a good feeling someone's going to take that the wrong way.
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borat aight
@comcast.net | Re: Silly backward countries I will crush them, yes? | |
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whydoicare
@comcast.net
| Mexico and VOIP
GOD BLESS AMERICA and good thing no one in Congress, is busy voting on illegal immigration reform. They are way too busy sticking their noses in Florida politics. Wait a minute! who is governor of that state? Well what do you know, JEB BUSH. Now it is obvious why George and Congress worked all weekend. Boy, they sure must be real tired. All that voting for Terry Schiavo.
How about voting to fix major problems in America. I know, bring home our TROOPS!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTE ON THAT | |
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mrchris
America the pitiful
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Re: Mexico and VOIP I think you'd fit well in the Blue Room | |
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CondorMan
@200.77.x.x
| Broadband In Mexico The internet in Mexico sucks, period. Telmex is the only DSL provider and the service and prices are horrendous. Equally bad are the cable providers. It's a monopoly, with the owners of these few companies paying up the authorities so that no more companies (and therefore, competition) make business here. It's a mafia. This country is sinking fast and mark my words, the people will have enough of all the corruption and impunity and crime and a friggin' revolution will happen. | |
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whydoicare
@comcast.net | Re: Broadband In Mexico Stop bad mouthing the USA, oops you were talking about Mexico. ; -)~ | |
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drewfar
join:2002-10-01
Mississauga, ON
| I agree.
My girlfriend has family there and spend quite a bit of time there myself.
Who in their right mind would pay $75 for 256/128kbps cable internet? Apparently a lot of people, as they don't have any other choice.
At least our Primus VoIP service isn't being purposely degraded by the cable company. And to think that we almost went with Telmex until we found out that it wasn't available in the neighbourhood. | |
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ColdFiltered
join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA | Re: Broadband In Mexico If you can afford $75 for broadband then you certainly are not poor in Mexico. And its only a problem when everyone paying those fees would rather continue paying those fees instead of doing something about it. | |
| djhexer
join:2002-10-07
Sparks, NV
| uhhh... I thought we were all supposed to be talking about Telmex and the speed/internet issue. NOT POLITICS of bush and Co. or even Fox and Co. Yes yes yes I know I know they all tie up together somehow but comeon lets talk about a solution to this problem. | |
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Aiperdax
@200.77.x.x | Problem That's precisely the problem. Corruption. They don't care about a proper infrastructure. Just give me the cash baby! | |
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jstone00
join:2004-06-19
Fortuna, CA | Mexico and VOIP Como México no hay dos. | |
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princess987
@148.233.x.x
| what was the topic? All countries have good things and bad tings.This forum is really useless and just for ranting about anything but the topic, so here I go 
I read that for last year elections there were around 1 million U.S. citizens registered in Mexico, go figure | |
| digidavid
join:2001-05-25
Minneapolis, MN
| VPN possibility We are not using Vonage VOIP, but we have our own private VOIP on an InterTel Axxess phone system. On March 7th our VOIP to Mexico went down with the same symptoms that many of you have described here and in the vonage-forum (voice from US to Mexico is clear / Mexico to US is chopped up, garbled, and unintelligible).
Question: What do you think of the prospect of running the VOIP inside a VPN tunnel? Do you think this will defeat the "traffic shaping" that Telmex is allegedly doing?
Thanks for your input! | |
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good_to_be_clued_up
@net.mx
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Vallarta
@com.m
| Re: voip telmex and cable operators I pay about US$45 a month for 512Kb on Prodigy (TelMex).
Been using Vonage for 4 months now with very few problems.
I disagree with other posters that things are going down hill, if anything they are getting better.
BTW the reason so many Mexicans go to work in the US is because there's a vast amount of employment opportunities in areas where Americans won't work, picking lettuce for example.
They don't have work here in the agricultural area, because all the farm subsidies that America provides for it's farmers, produce such an unequal situation that the farmers here cannot compete. | |
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jstone00
join:2004-06-19
Fortuna, CA
 ·Prodigy Infinitum
| Re: voip telmex and cable operators It is one of the great myths of our age that U.S. citizens will not take those jobs now held by immigrants. In just 30 years, I have seen employment opportunities for local youth and adults in lumber mills and agriculture dissapear as immigrants moved into the remote area of Northern California where I live. Has the make-up of our society changed so much in 30 years that U.S. born workers no longer will take the entry level jobs that were snapped-up just 3 decades ago? No way!
If you repeat a lie often enough, it begins to sound plausible. | |
| CH3MI5TR4NG3
join:2005-04-11
| Go back to Mexico & stay there! I am from the Vonage forums & ran across this post; I had to post about it. I just have to take up for ToddlerTN about his quote. I have the exact same view as he does about Mexico. I have always thought of it, heard of it, & known many people who have been there & say it is FILTHY, VERY CROOKED, UNSAFE, & AMERICANS ARE UNWANTED. Im not saying they are all bad it's just as a whole most Americans perceive Mexico in this manner. Personally I have no problem with any Mexican that stays in his own country but I think all these border jumpers need their arses kicked & sent home; this illegal immigrant crap has got to be stopped or one day Mexicans will be the majority here & then who will stop them from coming. They pay no American taxes, take jobs from Americans because they will work for almost nothing, & then all the money they make goes back to where else, but their country. America benefits absolutely zero from this. People can take offense from this post but I don't care; JUST STAY IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY. This post is in no way directed towards Mexicans yet towards illegal aliens or future illegal aliens in the U.S. | |
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iLOVEmexico
@telnor.ne
| So you learn what the situation in Mexico is.... I just read your post and have a few answers. Yes Mexico has its problems but depending on where you live there can be a lot of tranquility.I have been here about 3 years and I vacation in Europe, South America and the US sometimes.
Mexico probably has the best natural resources in North America and they are largely undeveloped. Why? Corrupt government. Imagine being able to try to be the police of the world as the US tries to do. Imagine a country with only one political party for over 70 years!!! A country of monopoly. Only gas is Pemex. Only phone is Telmex. The Catholic Church is one of the biggest deterents. Get the picture?
The absence of a large middle class. Uneducated Mexico cross the border because of the existence of jobs that lazy Americans do not want to do. Educated Mexicans such as doctors, lawyers, educators wouldn`t think of moving to the US. The US has something called Welfare and General Assistance in some states. It is better for many to collect welfare and food stamps than work for a living.
In Mexico, that does not exist. No work, no eat. That`s why very few illegal aliens get into trouble. They work to help out at home. No holdups, no women walking the streets.Just a low profile.
In Latin culture, the elderly are taken care of and respected. It's very rare your son would want to declare you mentally incompetent to get their inheritance early.
We all get old and frail. Your chances of getting mugged are a lot greater in the US.
Depending on where you reside, a person may want to retire and live the good life. San Miguel de Allende is one place of notoriety. Mexico is a good place to relax for a few years and live large if you plan it well.
The quality of life is on the way up. The quality of life in the US, well are you really better off? | |
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