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1 edit | Eh This can be good or bad, but the idea of some sort of national broadband policy would be appealing to me. With such differences in the availability of broadband internet services around the country, it just doesn't seem right. However, I suppose the only solution to such a problem is a regulated national company with the idea of Universal Service 
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 | BullroarerT
join:2003-10-08
Fountain Hills, AZ | Re: Eh " I suppose the only solution to such a problem is a regulated national company with the idea of Universal Service "
wasn't that the old AT&T/Western Electric/local bell monopoly? | |
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atsmia
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Miami, FL
| Da Da Da DUHHHHHH So the bells our now free from state regulation while the state is being regulated through legislation pushed through by the Bells. Well things never cease to amaze me I wonder if there actually is a limit to greed a corruption. Ha ha ha silly me that was a rhetorical question. | |
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cork1958
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| Re: Da Da Da DUHHHHHH said by atsmia  :So the bells our now free from state regulation while the state is being regulated through legislation pushed through by the Bells. Well things never cease to amaze me I wonder if there actually is a limit to greed a corruption. Ha ha ha silly me that was a rhetorical question. Rhetorical, but dang near sensible!
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vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD
| States should not regulate If anything the fed should set rates of taxation for states etc. Your taxes will double your broadband bill if states have free roam. States abuse too much of their power. Regulation on a per state basis is bad IMO.
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jimbo2150
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Youngstown, OH | Policy I think the policy shoud state that every house in the US should have access to broadband should they want it, not just when the corps think you are 'marketable'.
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nixen
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| Re: Policy said by jimbo2150 :I think the policy shoud state that every house in the US should have access to broadband should they want it, not just when the corps think you are 'marketable'. Every household does have access to broadband if desired. However, it's going to cost more in certain places than others and will take different forms.
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| Re: Policy You are dreaming if you think every household has access to broadband. We have nothing available, including the high latency sattelite option. I dont care if i had a choice of broadband options, ANY will do. Because we live in a rural area the "bottom-line" is just not there for verizon to expand the service area. Until all people can get broadband the bells need regulation or at the bare minimum, not be allowed to dictate muni-broadband. | |
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nixen
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| Re: Policy said by Garcia Jerry:
You are dreaming if you think every household has access to broadband. We have nothing available, including the high latency sattelite option. I dont care if i had a choice of broadband options, ANY will do. Because we live in a rural area the "bottom-line" is just not there for verizon to expand the service area. Until all people can get broadband the bells need regulation or at the bare minimum, not be allowed to dictate muni-broadband.
Go buy yourself business class solutions: ISDN, fractional/full T1, etc. The options are there. That you think options aren't available means you simply haven't looked hard enough or you aren't willing to pay for what is available.
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powerhog
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| Re: Policy said by nixen :Go buy yourself business class solutions: ISDN, fractional/full T1, etc. The options are there. That you think options aren't available means you simply haven't looked hard enough or you aren't willing to pay for what is available.-tom The problem is that not every location is served by a huge telecom company. The small ILECs simply don't offer the services that many of you take for granted. I truly wish that I could get any of the services you mentioned.
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| said by nixen :Go buy yourself business class solutions: ISDN, fractional/full T1, etc. You're out of touch dude; looking at things through an insular big city attitude. For tens of millions of us, there is no broadband available.
ISDN does not meet the FCC's, or anyone elses, definition of broadband. And it is not available in many areas. Neither are the higher-priced services, even to businesses that want them (one big reason that so many small towns are interested in munis, so that they can attract businesses).
This is only true in the U.S., every other developed country seems to have a broadband policy for unversal service. Here, the policy is designed strictly for the benefit of big business, not consumers. it'll end up providing some benefit to 70-75% of the population, but the rest of us are SOL.
Good thing for rural residents that these type of neo-con attitudes weren't prevalent when Rural Electrification was first being discussed. There'd still be folks lighting their homes with oil lamps. | |
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| Sorry no ISDN available either (which isnt truly broadband anyway). As far as a T1...are you serious??? You think that is a true option for a normal consumer/non business? Sorry i dont have the $500-1200 a month disposable income i would need for that "option".
As far as not looking into other things, you are making assumptions based on one small post i made, kinda silly. Ive looked into every option, including but not limited to buying antenas and repeaters to get wireless from a neighbor 3 miles away. That is what brought me to bbr in the first place. I had a great connection previously in Tampa but now that ive relocated due to work nothing is available. I have to agree with the other poster, you have a big-city mentality. | |
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nixen
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| Re: Policy said by Garcia Jerry:
Sorry no ISDN available either (which isnt truly broadband anyway). As far as a T1...are you serious??? You think that is a true option for a normal consumer/non business? Sorry i dont have the $500-1200 a month disposable income i would need for that "option".
I have to agree with the other poster, you have a big-city mentality.
Like I said: there are choices, you just have to decide how bad you want or need it. Prior to living "in the big city" (never been to DC and a real city to be able to compare, have you?), and prior to the availability of DSL, I used to live in group houses. Between 4-5 roommates, we could afford to do the T1 thing. Was it cheap? No. But, it was important enough to us that it was worth our while to spend the money to do it.
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Newton Highlands, MA
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| Re: Policy In a rural area, a T1 to the Internet will cost a lot more than $1k!
You have to take into account the "middle mile", from the customer's CO to the nearest ISP backbone. If there is no competition -- and in rural areas there almost always isn't -- then the T1 is only available as "special access" from the ILECs, usually on a meet-point basis from the rural ILEC serving the subscriber and the big ILEC nearest the ISP. Typically this is around $300-500 plus around $20/mile. That mileage adds up quickly. It's definitely not an option for consumer "broadband".
And yes, I know of remote places where even T1s just can't be had. You try getting permission to trench fiber over a mountain through California parkland. | |
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MexiCubAZ
join:2000-06-09
Phoenix, AZ
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| I think this is good news Right now if Qwest wants to provide any DSL service in new areas they must publicly announce it and wait not sure if 30 or 60 days before they can launch, to let its competitors COX and other cable companies provide their service first. Yet the competition does not have this requirement.
Let's level the playing field for all telecommunications and have same regulations across to board. | |
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| bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Re: I think this is good news Let's just do away with regulations completely and let these carriers duke it out in a competitive market like the rest of the industries.
Telco's have no idea how to compete. They never had to. And the consumer loses.
Telco's want the benefits of a free market with none of the risk. Again, the consumer loses.
And last but not least, the FCC should take a flying leap because they are bought by the telcos and are completely out of touch with reality. | |
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armyrebel4
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Springfield, IL | Re: I think this is good news I agree. But the free market also has faults of it's own, what were seeing right now is one of them... | |
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ff1324
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| The only problem with this is that the ILECs already own a massive infrastructure that an upstart would have to overcome. Imagine a Mom & Pop diner taking on McDonalds...good luck
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flushls
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Joyce, WA
| DSL & Universal Service IMO that it is time to slaughter USF it does not work well and it is propping up the bells who need to die anyway.
I live in an area that would qualify for USF and I pay it on all my bills. Yet there are no fund Available and I pay a $12 extra on my phone bill that some moron in missssiiippi gets for free.
Wireless BB is coming in this area and when it does the phone co can go blow. | |
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rchandra
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|  same old same old
Under this decision, companies such as BellSouth would no longer be required to sell high-speed Internet service to voice customers of rival firms. OK, so translation: if I want Bellsouth DSL, I have to have Bellsouth local service, despite what my state may have passed to the contrary? For me anyway, I say "welcome to the club" for if I want Verizon DSL I must also have Verizon local service. It's very difficult for me to say, since I'm in favor of free, competitive markets, but that kind of sucks. Right now I hate that I cannot have Verizon DSL and oh...Idunno...ChoiceOne local service. Verizon gets revenue from leasing their loops to ChoiceOne anyway, so what's the big deal? I don't like the predatory nature of this. I also wish there were a company or two who could truly compete with ILECs by establishing their own plant, much as the cable TV industry did...twice (once with 1st gen cable, now with HFC).
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Chicago, IL | Bullsh*t Does anybody really trust the telco's anymore ????????
Regulation is good for us and bad for them because they can't screw people over. If state and local governments don't have control the telco's will just run wild. | |
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join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL
| Re: Bullsh*t said by XBL2009 :Does anybody really trust the telco's anymore ???????? Regulation is good for us and bad for them because they can't screw people over. If state and local governments don't have control the telco's will just run wild. I will trust them when I get fiber to my house and a fixed, flat rate for usage of said fiber.  But yeah, most likely with deregulation there is going to be an explosive force driving them to expand, but at what cost to the consumer? Do ya think/trust the telco's will use this opportunity in the spirit of good business and relations with customers to NOT step all over us this time around? Time will tell I guess.
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