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join:2002-09-26
Portland, OR
| Wow That's pretty sweet. Not the fastest, but those new packages look good.
What's the range and upload like? Or is this basically DSL over the powerline?
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 | JazzJRabbit
join:2003-09-27
Wheaton, IL | Re: Wow $30 plus whatever fees for 300 kilobit per second (or less than 30 kilobyte/second) down? Uhm... No. This is way overpriced. | |
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join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC | Re: Wow No, overpriced is my parent's paying $41/mo for 256/128 cable modem service. | |
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| | bjbrock
join:2002-10-28
Mcalester, OK
| Let's see, 26,400 to 44,000(on a good day)bps for $20 versus 300,000bps for $30, sounds like a bargain!
Compared to some dsl packages, it may not be great. But when dsl ain't anywhere to be found... Plus don't expect dsl rates to stay low for long. They are eliminating all competition except cable, and they are working on that issue. Cable just happened to be a little bit too established when they started trying to eliminate that competition. But they have deep- pockets and more greedy politicians. Whoever can end up paying the most to the politicians will be the winner. And as a utility, phone companies basically have unlimited spending ceiling! | |
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| | | cptmiles
Premium
join:2004-04-22
Swayzee, IN
| Re: Wow If you think the phone companies are greedy just wait until the power companies start getting deeper in your pocket. There are a lot of industry people who think phone was deregulated as a precursor to deregulation of power (didn't work the way they hoped). No one and I mean no one is more money hungry and monopolistic than the power companies. Heck, I would be more interested if the phone company can figure out a way to provide power. I think we should start a forum on how we can get the evil money grubbing power companies out of our houses. | |
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | Re: Wow Want power without power companies? use Solar. | |
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| | | xrobertcmx
Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
clubs:  | Yes, but Verizon services this area and offers DSL to most of Manassas for about the same price.
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| NetEng_Dude
join:2004-07-17
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March 14th, @09:59PM
| Re: Wow -- Overpriced & Underperforming 300 kbit/s for $30??? That's absolutely nuts!
Not much faster than dial-up for DSL prices.
Most cable modem systems are at least 2 Mbit/s with many moving quickly to 3 or even 4 Mbits/sec for $30-40/month. Similar story for DSL.
Only 200 users???
Underwhelming to say the least. | |
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koolman2
Premium
join:2002-10-01
Anchorage, AK | Re: Wow -- Overpriced & Underperforming You'd be surprised at how much more bearable the internet is at 256kbit than at 48kbps. | |
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xirian
Premium
join:2003-01-26
Beacon, NY
| Cable speeds quote:
At a cost of $28.95 per month for residential service and $39.95 per month for commercial service at a minimum speed of 300Kbit/sec. to and from the Internet, Manassas' BPL service compares favorably to the $42.95 that Comcast Corp. charges cable-modem customers who also subscribe to its cable television services. Cable throughput is typically 600Kbit to 800Kbit/sec. from the Internet to the subscriber and 128Kbit to 256Kbit/sec. to the Internet.
Isnt comcast much faster than 300kbit, justifying the price for most? And I didnt think there were man places where cable was under 1mbit on the download side. | |
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Andrew J
Premium
join:2001-11-09
Lancaster, PA
clubs: | Re: Cable speeds My dad would love 300K. Mainly he just wants an always on connection and free up his fax line.
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Kilobits of kilobytes? You would have to be in a pretty crappy situation before you'd see less than 800kbps routinely from Comcast.
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| | krobar
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join:2002-09-15
Columbus, OH | Re: Cable speeds I agree, I'm thinking someone's got their KB's and Kb's mixed up or something, that makes no sense at all.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
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March 14th, @06:34PM
| too slow? It is slightly confusing, because the article sez bits but the comparison seems to be bytes to bytes. 600 to 800kbytes would be 4.8M to 6.4M which is roughly where comcast is at right now.
If they meant to say "bytes", that would make their service 2.4M/2.4M which would be great for $29/mo. | |
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| krobar
Is this thing on?
join:2002-09-15
Columbus, OH
| Re: big K, not little that's bit's, not bytes...
At a cost of $28.95 per month for residential service and $39.95 per month for commercial service at a minimum speed of 300Kbit/sec. to and from the Internet, Manassas' BPL service compares favorably to the $42.95 that Comcast Corp. charges cable-modem customers who also subscribe to its cable television services. Cable throughput is typically 600Kbit to 800Kbit/sec. from the Internet to the subscriber and 128Kbit to 256Kbit/sec. to the Internet.
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i5050MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
| Re: big K, not little said by krobar  :that's bit's, not bytes... ... Cable throughput is typically 600Kbit to 800Kbit/sec. from the Internet to the subscriber and 128Kbit to 256Kbit/sec. to the Internet. Maybe some cable systems are slow but not Comcast.
99.999999% of the time my Comcast connection downloads at least 6000 kbits and uploads at 720 kbits (real throughput, not some flakey speed test). I've never seen downloads drop below 5900 kbits. And I'm out in rural America where DSL fears to tread!
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Is this thing on?
join:2002-09-15
Columbus, OH | Re: big K, not little just saw this post, fyi that data was from the news article, not my opinion
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| t604
join:2004-09-05
Edmonton, AB | big or little k don't matter.. it's about the little b which is bits...
it's 300 Kilobits per second... so it's 37.5 KiloBytes per second... $30 is pretty expnsive imho... | |
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| | Zein
join:2003-06-14
Painesville, OH | Re: big K, not little What city's will this be done in? | |
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
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join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
 ·AT&T Midwest
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March 14th, @07:16PM
| Re: big K, not little said by Zein :What city's will this be done in? Didja even read the headline or the summary? Didja?
Manassas, Virginia
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RadioDoc
Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL | They later talk about 1.5, 4 and six megabit "upgrades". They mean 300 kilobits, not kilobytes. | |
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FishNET
join:2004-07-01
Haddonfield, NJ | Horrible price $29 for 300Kbps?!!? I pay that for 3M with Verizon. | |
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234kjl32
@xx.wdc | Manassas BPL sucks I'm from Manassas and use to have BPL (keywords "use to"). The service is rediculously slow- barely faster than dial up. Now I have DSL for just a few dollars more a month, and much, much faster. | |
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primeomega
join:2004-03-11
De Pere, WI
| Overprice?? I think you all are looking at this the wrong way. This is not for the people who can get DSL or cable. This is for the poor people who have to use dial up because there live "out of the city" My dad would pay $50 a month for this if we would get it. About what he pays now with his 2nd line and dial up, and its much faster for his e-bay'n. | |
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| Nighttime
join:2001-11-30
| Re: Overprice?? But from the article it is IN the city. Not outside the city!
Also it makes NO sense to deploy fiber then connect it with this outmoded tech! Kind of like having a monster motor in a kiddy car!
Also is the population that low back there? | |
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ae1x
@attbi.com | This service will not reach out to the rural areas unless the Government steps in and provides a substantial economic incentive to the provider. Rural areas do not have sufficient client potential to justify the cost.
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bptcwb
join:2005-03-14
Nederland, TX
| BPL is garbage and spectrum polluter BPL was touted as the high speed for RURAL areas....yet I see nothing where it is being deployed in RURAL areas..WHY? Because BPL is a spectrum polluter and tears up TV from 2 -6 and radios from above AM band to just below AND maybe even the FM band...this range, 2 - 88MHz includes ShortWave, ham and CB bands...not to mention business operations in the lowband VHF 30-50 MHz range...POWER LINES were NOT designed to carry RADIO signals....wires act as antennas and radiate the DIGITAL square waves all over the place....ever hear an AM radio placed next to a PC? This is much worse...and NOT needed..especially IN TOWNs! MaxFi will be cheaper and better...
300kbs speed is it?? and tear up the radio/TV bands for everyone else?? Yeah thats technical progress (not to mention a ham or CBer could easily cause your high speed BPL connection to totally QUIT and not work by their LEGAL transmissions...good thinking huh?) | |
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| markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | Re: BPL is garbage and spectrum polluter The above poster is still reading old bpl news from the 90s. Updating his knowledge about BPL is on his "to do list" as we speak hopefully. | |
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| | N3EVL
join:2004-12-13
Shrewsbury, MA
| Re: BPL is garbage and spectrum polluter said by markopoleo :The above poster is still reading old bpl news from the 90s. Updating his knowledge about BPL is on his "to do list" as we speak hopefully. Please be so good to point me to the technical paper(s) that explain how the BPL wizards have managed to prevent a power line acting as an antenna. Perhaps you also have references for articles explaining how BPL installations will also manage to remain immune from ingress of legally transmitted signals? These BPL guys must be really good if they've achieved both of these goals. Please educate me on these momentus breakthroughs in physics... | |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA | Hi Marko,
I'm still waiting for that list of DC utility networks or why DC systems are better for BPL than AC based systems. | |
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| | | KB2PSM
join:2002-08-06
Long Beach, NY | Re: BPL is garbage and spectrum polluter Insisting on facts?
Gee you guys are harsh!
Rob | |
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
Premium
join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA
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| that...sucks! 3 MEGABITS = 300 KILOBYTES
300 KILOBITS = 30 KILOBYTES
40 KILOBITS (DIALUP) = 4 KILOBYTES
it would be better but its no GOOD DSL, Cable
everytime i see these articles i wonder "hmm why hasent there been any speed tests, pings from these "200" plus BPL users out there"
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| w2co
join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| Re: 4 HDTVs and 4 regular TVs from a HI-SPEED BPL line So are you really anti-BPL or what?
Of course all these companies are rushing in with non-tested, non-certified equipment trying to get a slice of the imaginable pie. Most of them have used this same equipment in other countries already and failed. No equipment can change the fact that any hf signal applied to an open wire WILL radiate. It's the mentality of the new grad engineers who think they can just steamroll over something that has existed since the beginning of time, and they never even took physics 101. Rubbish! | |
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anti-bpl
@optonline.net
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| Re: 4 HDTVs and 4 regular TVs from a HI-SPEED BPL line I am a spamming loser. | |
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join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| Re: 4 HDTVs and 4 regular TVs from a HI-SPEED BPL line That doesn't really count. That is more like "home plug" when just used intra-building like that. It also will not have quite the interference problem to the outside world then as the building will tend to shield the rfi signal within it's metal lined fireproof walls. This is a classic home plug application. The data rates will also be up because the distance between the furthest user and the server will be minimal. Doesn't count - only a ploy by Con Ed and Ambient to get more tech illiterate investers. | |
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anti-bpl
@optonline.net
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| Spam I am a spamming loser. | |
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| BPL used in the HOSPITAL setting !
Nemours/JEA program to allow remote monitoring
Nemours Children's Clinic will give a demonstration March 25 of a new program that will allow nurses to monitor pediatric asthma patients via Broadband over power lines. Nemours will team up with JEA to provide the Remote Home Monitoring program.
Patients in the program will have regularly scheduled virtual visits with a nurse at which they provide medical information from devices such as a pulse oximeter or stethoscope.
By using Broadband over power lines, the program can include video and audio in the interactions between nurses and patients.
The Nemours/JEA collaboration is one of 27 organizations across the country that collectively received $14.4 million in funding from the U.S. Department of Commerce. Nearly 500 programs applied for the Technology Opportunities Program grants.
Asthma is the most common chronic disease among children and adolescents in the United States, affecting about nine million children. | |
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| w2co
join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| Re: BPL used in the HOSPITAL setting ! And they can easily do the same thing with any dialup connection. If the patient has broadband internet, all the better. I think BPL would be a poor choice for medical information to be transported. After all it can be interupted at any time by legal ingress with no avail as to remedy. | |
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| | N3EVL
join:2004-12-13
Shrewsbury, MA
| Re: BPL used in the HOSPITAL setting ! yes, our very verbose anti-against-whatever friend trolls yet again, attempting to make BPL *synonymous* with broadband when, in fact, the application he describes could be handled by any internet connectivity solution. I don't buy it, nor do I buy his implied "ends-justifies-the-means" approach to legitimizing BPL. | |
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Manassas BPL: 300Kbps, $29/Month
