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join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA | Re: Right. what the hell...? how can anyone NOT be interested in 8 megabit service...? unless of course it comes at an 8 megabit price, which in australia, is probably outrageous... | |
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Waiting On Dsl Or Cable
join:2004-02-12
Daleville, AL | I just wish I could get DSL at all. | |
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Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
Premium
join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
clubs: | Re: Right. I'm just happy that I can get cable! | |
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join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI
| The real reason is distance and business.
If I was a business who needed 8Mbps and was close to the CO. I would get it instead of multi T1s or a T3 or a DS3(45Mbps). It is pure business since a lot of business districts are near a CO or in some cases have multi COs like Downtown Detroit MI.
T1 to DS3 to OC-3 thur OC 192 are what is usually offered to businesses. 1.5 Mbps to 45 Mbps to 155 Mbps thur 622 Mbps | |
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| The adsl of 8mbits required central office or remote terminal equipment be placed within 8-12,000 feet from customer premesis. This was simply impractical given the pricing for the service ($50 and dropping) Even at higher prices which are not sustainable, the buildout failed because telcos balked at the high upfront costs, while cablecos went into debt to finance their buildout.. in the medium term, it worked... docsis was a superior strategy for the first round (ie high speed internet) delivered to the most customers per mile/node. Round two is ultra high speed access at 10+mbits which needs a fiber based system much closer to customer premesis (ie less than 5000 feet). At these distances you can get 100+ mbits symmetric. Enough for v/h dsl servies or plain ole' fiber.
It looks like top providers like cablevision are takin their eye off the ball for round two and watching their customer base get eaten up over the next two years.
Ultimately fiber is the way to go... but these plans have been scaled back in favor of 1-4gbit node structure eventually under docsis 2.0 or some new strain.. but the guess whether it will be good enough to comepete with fiber is anyone's guess.. someone should take the wraps off of docsis 2.0 first and give that a go in 2005.
Are there any cablecos using 10+mbit under docis 2.0?
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Light Up The Halo
Premium,VIP
join:2001-12-09
clubs:
| Distance.. How many people would even qualify for an 8Mbps package? Right now a very select few can even qualify for 6Mbps packages.
Along with qualifying, you'd need to pay big $$.
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Skowhegan, ME | Re: Distance.. GWI.net has a 8mbps package for $50 per month,it is the only one that I know of. | |
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join:2004-12-29
Brooklyn, NY | Re: Distance.. I wish something like GWI.net is available in the Brooklyn area. | |
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I'm Your Boogie Man
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Southern IL
| 8Mbps would be nice but for over a year I paid $39. a month for a 256/128 connection, and I live less than 600' from the little brick building where the DSL comes from. Yesterday the connection went down and after an hour I called tech support and they basically said be patient, and sure enough 20 minutes later it was back up except to my pleasant surprise with increased bandwidth. The last few speeds tests have been like this 2005-03-10 02:59:35 EST: 1021 / 340
Your download speed : 1046124 bps, or 1021 kbps.
A 127.7 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 349080 bps, or 340 kbps.
I'm very pleased but there wasn't any notice so I hope this isn't some kind of temporary fluke. For the first time ever I can enjoy 300k+ streams. 
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Premium
join:2003-03-26
Stockton, NJ
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| ?!?fuisajsijsa Bandwidth is NOT that expensive... certainly not thousands for a 50 MB pipe. The only thing expensive is the infrastructure, but seriously, a 3MB Cable connection to your home probably costs the network about $15 in bandwidth... it's too bad companies like to get as much $ as possible from each user. How else could you get a CoLocation for $100 a month with an unlimited 100MB line?
Edit: fine, you can't get a 100MB unlimited line, but you can get a 100MB 600GB capped line for $100 a month | |
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join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
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March 9th, @08:18PM
| umm... riiiiiiighhhhht said by pnosker :Bandwidth is NOT that expensive... certainly not thousands for a 50 MB pipe....Edit: fine, you can't get a 100MB unlimited line, but you can get a 100MB 600GB capped line for $100 a month Bandwidth costs aren't the same in NJ as say, where I live in WA state. I know for a fact one ISP around here pays Sprint (read: a Tier 1 backbone provider) around $12,000.00 a month for a T3 (45mbps).
Also, this is most likely the situation "down under" as I'd imagine internet connectivity off that island costs a little more than say, transport from LA to NY. | |
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join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
| better rates? Try these ones on for size:
A 1.5mbit T1 line from a Tier 1 provider intended for commercial resale can (and will) run upwards of $1000/month in certain areas. As recently as 2 years ago I knew of one ISP here paying around $750/month per T1 line, and they had four of them so monthly costs were around $3k for 6mbps of bandwidth.
What made this doable was the resell ratios. Sometimes 30-40mbit sold for every 1mbit of backbone bandwidth is common - thats where we get the "primetime crunch".
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Sacramento, CA
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| Re: better rates? said by UnKown :if you dont go with the crappy copper systems bandwidth is cheap. 100mbits for 1000 dollars. www.cogentco.com best all fiber network ive ever seen. ive thought of starting a hosting company with it. Might i add it was the only network in lower manhatan still operational during 9/11. what are you smoking? cogent best? best at being the worst maybe.. they have the worst uptime record of any major provider.. quality data centers don't even bother with them.
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join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
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| Re: ?!?fuisajsijsa That really is a rip-off. I know in my area there are T1 lines for about $200-300/month. A T3 would be about $600-700/month (guessing).
From what I know, a small company I have never even heard of deploys fiber to the schools/libraries in the area. Not sure of the price but I think is is pre-paid by state funds (not payed by the school). | |
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join:2000-07-15
Cedar Hill, MO
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| Re: umm... riiiiiiighhhhht said by Jerm :said by pnosker :Bandwidth is NOT that expensive... certainly not thousands for a 50 MB pipe....Edit: fine, you can't get a 100MB unlimited line, but you can get a 100MB 600GB capped line for $100 a month Bandwidth costs aren't the same in NJ as say, where I live in WA state. I know for a fact one ISP around here pays Sprint (read: a Tier 1 backbone provider) around $12,000.00 a month for a T3 (45mbps). Also, this is most likely the situation "down under" as I'd imagine internet connectivity off that island costs a little more than say, transport from LA to NY. I would just like to point out that there is a reason T lines are so much. They are up 99% of the time because most Telcos offer contracts where if the line were to go down for any reason at all, the telco will have to pay the customer based on something like for every hour its down they pay XXXX amount.....
Also if a T line goes down most Telcos will send someone out right away to fix the problem no matter the time of day. Id like to see a tech come out to your CO 3AM to just get your DSL back up after calling it in.... | |
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Premium
join:2001-09-08
Brownsville, OH
| It would be nice, but... 8Mbps would be nice I suppose, but more than a few of us would rather have a higher upstream. Whats the point of having an 8Mbps downstream if you can only upload at 256k or less?
I know the Australian ISP's used to have bitcaps, so if they still do have them, then again, what would be the point of 8Mbps?
"Hey Johnny! I can now use up my entire months worth of data transfer in 2 hours now! Wooo!!!"
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Sprint ION did... ...and look where that ended up.
Eight megabits is nice but at a certain point you're just in it for bragging rights. And as pointed out by another post, nobody wants to pay for it.
If you insist on asking the question, though, why not also query cable companies as to why they don't open the gates and allow the full 10 megabits of download speed to all of their customers. Or even offer it for that matter. It's a lot easier to do that from a technological standpoint than pushing 8 megs through a three mile long pair of copper wires. | |
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Premium
join:2000-12-22
New Haven, CT
| Re: Sprint ION did... for one, you have to live 2 yards from the CO -- thats just to get 6mbits.. i am 9500k and can not even get 2mbits, hence why i am a happy camper on cable now.
cable on the other hand can go what, 30 miles before the signal degrades to the point it starts to effect speed?
give it time, you'll start seeing more and more 8mbit+ cable providers.. i am already at 6.5mbits and there are talks of a 8mbit tier. comcast went from 1.5 mbit to 3mbits to 6mbits in about a year..
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join:2002-02-08
Houston, TX
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said by Sebastian :i am 9500k and can not even get 2mbits, hence why i am a happy camper on cable now. Sounds like you've got a lousy line! SBC's limit for the 6016kbit package is around 10000 feet.
I think the problem is on your end.
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Sprint ION did... Definitely on his end. I have two of those six meggers, and one is about 7,800 feet long:
said by DSLAM:
ADSL Down
Relative Capacity Occupation (0 - 100%) 87
Noise Margin (0 - 31 dB) 8
Signal Attenuation (0 - 60dB) 37
Max Attainable Bit Rate on Fast Channel (Kbps) 6944
Fast Channel Bit Rate (Kbps) 6016
ADSL Up
Relative Capacity Occupation (0 - 100%) 58
Noise Margin (0 - 31 dB) 19
Signal Attenuation (0 - 60dB) 19
Max Attainable Bit Rate on Fast Channel (Kbps) 1088
Fast Channel Bit Rate (Kbps) 608
Many many people beyond 10K are running fine at 3008/512.
Nobody answered my cable question, though. Figures. | |
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join:2004-05-21
Daytona Beach, FL | Re: Sprint ION did... I've got 3000/384 at 15k...it works quite well too. | |
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scooby
Premium
join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL
| said by RadioDoc :Nobody answered my cable question, though. Figures. All about saving room for premium channels and HD. Cable has a limited amount of space and you know they want to earn the most amount of money possible out of it! | |
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join:2001-06-25
Madison, WI
| Because on a downstream channel, you have 6MHz to work with. .5MHz on each side is for roll up and roll down. So your bandwidth technically is 5.0MHz. At 256QAM you can squeeze 42Mbps over that channel.
This is for everyone on the node. Homes passed per node average 250; some plants went as high as 500.
So if you open the floodgates on downstream you just shut off that node. No bandwidth = no modem sync = not online. Once a node is saturated or near saturation the plant must be redesigned and that node split. Simple stuff and that is why you cannot open the floodgates on CATV HSD. | |
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Sortofadog
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Sprint ION did... My point exactly. Next time someone comes in here and starts rattling on about cable not having bandwidth issues anymore I'm pointing them at your post.
Since the cable operators don't want to spend the money to make it available to all their customers outright, they need to admit they can't provide it, either, even with none of the distance limitations they like to chide DSL over. Frauds, all of them. | |
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
Premium
join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
clubs: | Qwest offers 7/1 service when you subscribe to a business package and choose your own ISP. The price of the line and ISP is usually over $300 then, so the typical consumer would stay away from it. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
| You're far from correct. Cable has a short range as well. It usually is HFX though which is no different than the Telco's Remote Terminal solutions. A cable line at 30 miles out would pump nothing but bit errors through and have an analog quality on par with Siberia.
DSL's speed drops out at around 5-6k from 8Mb/s to 3-4Mb/s. After that it slowly recedes to around 1.5 at 18k before fqalling rapidly to nothing.
DOCSIS, as is, is starting to reach its limits. Hence the new standard with which they're coming out. | |
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Elf Wizard
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | cable is more advanced then DSL i think and so that gives it greater range.
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jwsmiths4
Part Man, Part Mac
Premium
join:2003-10-25
Savannah, GA | Re: Sprint ION did... I think it has to do with the type of cable and the type of signals that actually carry the data - not necessarily that one is "more advanced" than the other. | |
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mlundin
join:2001-03-27
Mishawaka, IN
·Comcast
| Why? You ask Why don't Telcom's offer 8 Mbps if they can? Because they don't have to. (Read: Their competition isn't forcing them to) And I am with those who would rather have upload speeds that match their download speed...of course, I would take both if possible. | |
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join:2003-01-10
Winfield, AL | Re: Why? You ask I guess that's why OOL offers 10 MBs and Verizon (FIOS) offers 15 MBs but they never sale any packages because nobody is intrested in that kind of speed... | |
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Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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| Just a guess... A few things that might be keeping them from offering it.
1. People will have a new speed tier to be jealous of and will complain that they don't qualify for (as if the phone company is singling them out out of spite.)
2. The extra bandwidth will eat out of the available bandwidth and less customers will be serviceable out of the CO/RT without overselling it.
3. Supporting the loop to be as clean as necessary to support these speeds are likely to be costly.
4. People who seem can qualify then after spending money for techs to dig into their problems and finding out they cannot support the speed and then the customers frustration and their claims of bait and switch when it doesn't work out.
5. The few people that will actually sign up for it and the little extra money it will provide might not out way the above 4.
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | I had 7.1 with DSLx And it was great...everything but the price. Don't price it in the stratosphere and you'd have more takers.
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join:2003-07-22
Conklin, NY
| Re: I had 7.1 with DSLx said by oliphant :And it was great In what way? What could you possibly find to d/l at that speed? I'm at 4.7 Mbps (570 KB/s) but rarely find anything which will d/l above 200 KB/s. I suppose you could d/l several movies or iso's simultaneously but you'd need a stack of blank DVDs to store all that stuff.
Unless you have a very large family or are providing wireless to the neighborhood, I don't see what use this is. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
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March 9th, @08:11PM
| Re: I had 7.1 with DSLx With DAP5 and Newsbin I had no problem saturating my connection when downloading from most sites. I also used it with my business backing up my office servers. From work I would upload large drive images on a rotating basis to xDrive overnight, then download them the next day (while the next backup is uploading). I would do that maybe twice a week in lieu of incremental backups. In the case of usenet, it wasn't about volume, it's about getting the 1 or 2 things I wanted in just over 1/3 the time. And while I'm doing those things it was nice to throttle newsbin to 6Mb and play XBL or something else.
But as I mentioned...it was cool, but not $150/mo cool. I just tried it for a month so see how valuable I found it. Turns out I'd rather have the $100 and let my backups take 3X longer to download. I would probably have kept it if it were under $100...mainly for the speed of getting my backups xfered.
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join:2003-07-22
Conklin, NY | Re: I had 7.1 with DSLx OK, for business use, but for 99% of home users it is of little use. | |
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I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Re: I had 7.1 with DSLx More than 768/128 kbps is probably of little use to 99% of home users as most home users are simply surfing the net and picking up email.
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: I had 7.1 with DSLx True, but then again Roadrunner can't very well say they are up to four times faster than DSL and the Bell's don't want to sound like they are inferior. The speed race is in full throttle, and that in turn will kick up marketing for FIOS and other fibre to the curb offerings in the future. | |
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thender
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
| Who cares? Fiber's where it's at.
DSL and cable are both flawed protocols, that, while better than dial-up, are limited towards future expansion.
Most cable companies throttle and give transfer caps nowadays(comcast, OOL, roadrunner did this once last year also). DSL is limited by distance.
I'd rather telcos focus on wiring us for fiber instead of delivering better DSL speeds for those who live half a block from the CO.
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| Re: Who cares? i agree with the fiber and i also dont understand why telcos want to give us these temporary solutions such as adsl2 etc.... i mean in the long run wont it be more expensive buying and deploying new DSLAMS all the time instead of just getting fiber out NOW and then youre done.... i mean there is NO doubt at all that fiber IS the future and they WILL have to upgrade to fiber at some point | |
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Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
Premium
join:2001-09-16
99999 | Not interested? Im interested. Very interested.
Although Im more interested in 30mb fiber. | |
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soulburner
join:2002-09-23
Pahrump, NV
| Re: Bullshit. I don't have a link any more (well, I do, but I don't want to have to hunt it down), but you can get a gigabit internet connection in Lund, Sweden for ~850 SEK/month (~125 USD). If you don't quite need that much, you can opt for the 100mbit connection for ~600 SEK/month (~89 USD). Not sure how much the 10mbit connection is, but it's cheap as well. All symmetrical connections too.
So, yeah, apparently they ARE the only ones that want SPEED. | |
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@tele.dk
| Re: Bullshit. yes theres alot of fiber in sweden but the 1gbit is more local but they do have 8mbit adsl available there too and they also have adsl2 and VDSL available in some of the larger cities and of course aside from that theres ALOT of 10mbit fiber connections (relatively alot... id estimate maybe 300000-400000 people can get fiber) | |
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join:2005-01-25
Atlanta, GA | They are welcome to come over here and deploy networks at the same prices. Somehow I think they would fail, but they can prove me wrong.  | |
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ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
clubs: | Re: Bullshit. Except the Incumbent would prolly introduce a bill to also ban foreign companies from competing. I mean, if they're doing it to prevent local competition... | |
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rmarynowski
join:1999-08-26
Tinley Park, IL | Personally I wouldn't' be interested... ...but I would rather have a reasonably priced static IP package with a 1Mbps upload. | |
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JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA | I'd take it at $70/mo I've got 6M/608k DSL (sonic.net still sells that in norcal) I'd love 8/1, but really 6/1 would be spiffy. But you cannot have my 6/.6  | |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| The real reason .... ...it would cut into future business plans to sell TV service.
With 8 Mbps widely available, you could stream broadcast-quality video direct from TV producers themselves. No need to pay the telco a percentage as the "middle man".
Cable companies have the same attitude. They stream lots of bits into your home, but package most of it as "digital cable" and charge hefty monthly and pay-per-view fees to access it. Meanwhile, they keep the flat-rate internet access speeds low enough so that they won't get bypassed. | |
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Premium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs:
| $$$ Let me spell it out for telstra:
YOU ARE WRONG. THE REASON THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE LEAD TO BELIEVE THAT IT WILL COST THEM A LOT, WHEN IN FACT IT COSTS THEM NO MORE TO DEPLOY MAX SYNC TO EVERY HOUSE OUT THERE. WETHER MAX SYNC IS 256 OR 8192 SHOULDN'T MATTER. THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF LETTING OLD TECHNOLOGY INTERFERE WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY.
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Premium
join:2003-01-07
Riverside, CA
·Charter Pipeline
| 8mb? O.o I'm sitting on a 10/1 DSL line right now. I'm not sure of my loop-length, but I know I'm out there. AMBT uses ReachDSL or some such... Unfortunately, their backbone limits TCP sessions to 2mb each after about a minute. Multi-connect is easilly over 1MB/s.
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@com.au | Re: 8mb? O.o thats BS, i'm in oz & the max we can get is 150kbps (as they say 1500kbps), if they offered me 8 i'd accept - everyone would, but theyd still give us shitty up speeds (usually just 30kbps / 256) & crap download caps (20 gig) | |
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join:2002-12-16
Victoria, BC
| Re: 8mb? O.o The vast majority of users just want to get there email and a few webpages, so theres no real push or profit for ISP's to offer the higher connection rates.
As for bandwidth, you need to remember its not just ISP to Tier 1, theres the interconnects between the Tier 1s that add to the price of bandwidth. | |
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join:2000-06-18
Skokie, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| 8 MB ???? Maybe the capability is there for 8MB on a perfect line....
But how about us guys hanging on a 40 year old piece of copper with God Knows what attached to it hidding in various places over 40 years?
Maybe that is why I'm throttled back to ~2.5Mb on a 6Mb service!
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join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA
| What do you mean by throttled to 2.5Mb/s on a 6Mb/s line?
If you're synching at 2.5Mb/s then you might as well drop to that speed if that's the best you can synch at. If you mean you're synching at 6Mb/s but can only get 2.5Mb/s on a speed test then that's something else entirely. | |
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