 Fraoch
join:2003-08-01 London, ON
| Bell Canada Gets Naked Heh, heh, just asked someone about this at a Bell World store a month ago.
Back then it was "impossible". They did state it would be "possible" when Bell introduced their own VoIP service near the end of the year.
Gee, how times change in a few weeks! | |
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 |   Corvus Flaming Tards Since 2003 Premium,VIP join:2003-11-26
| Re: Bell Canada Gets Naked said by Fraoch :Heh, heh, just asked someone about this at a Bell World store a month ago. Back then it was "impossible". They did state it would be "possible" when Bell introduced their own VoIP service near the end of the year.  Gee, how times change in a few weeks! Funny how competition is changing things? Videotron is currently heavily harvesting Bell customers with our VoIP service. The soup is getting hotter, Bell know it's better keeping a DSL access than loosing everything. -- Don't worry, it's not loaded. ~~Terry Kath, musician, Suicide playing Russian roulette. January 23, 1978 | |
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 |  parkbear
join:2004-02-02 Kamloops, BC | I signed Up for Telus naked last week | |
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 |  |   hourensuman
@68.75.x.x | so
what did you do after they called the cops on you? | |
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@68.75.x.x | was that before or after they called the cops on you? | |
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 |   dfymca
join:2002-10-25 Monrovia, CA | I've been in a Low-Voltage Telecom installer for 10 years, WE call it "Dry DSL" I prefer the term. | |
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 |   Doci Toothless Fairy
join:2003-02-01 | Re: Duh You're confused. Read the topic and text, Bell Canada has nothin to do with your baby bells. -- An ISO 14000 registered service provider. | |
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 |  |   linicx Caveat Emptor Premium join:2002-12-03 United State | Re: Duh Unless I miss my guess they are all cut from the same cloth. My one experience with Bell in Canada wasn't any nicer than my many experiences with the baby Bells. | |
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 |  |  |   quanta Premium join:2002-05-07 Toronto, ON | One experience? According to DSLReports's weekly ratings, Bell Canada's Sympatico High Speed is the #2 telco DSL provider in North America.
»/gbu | |
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 |   linicx Caveat Emptor Premium join:2002-12-03 United State | Speed was never an issue. | |
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 |  |   quanta Premium join:2002-05-07 Toronto, ON | Re: Duh The Good, Bad, Ugly ratings are based on many factors, including reliability and customer service. | |
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  DaSneaky1D one wall to block them all Premium,MVM join:2001-03-29 The Lou | How much? What will the "line charge" Bell Canada will charge for this service? | |
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 |  karlj1
join:2004-01-25 Ottawa, ON
| I Smell A Corporate RAT.... Notice how only Sympatico users can get Naked DSL?
What about third-party DSL providers? If I want say Magma, or another DSL provider and no local phone line, can I get it? Will Bell charge me though the nose to get it? Also will the quality of service be there or will Bell lag with connections/repairs for third-party DSL providers?
"Captain, there be rough seas ahead..." | |
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join:2003-05-25 Woodbridge, ON
| Re: I Smell A Corporate RAT.... said by karlj1 :Notice how only Sympatico users can get Naked DSL? Not an issue, other ISPs can run a copper dry line to your house and offer you free naked DSL.
Oh wait, you trying to tell me those companies dont want to run copper to your house for free?! SUCH NERVE!! -- Sympatico Ultra + Rogers Extreme Dual WANage | |
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  RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Where's the facts? "Responding to complaints, regulators in a growing number of states have ruled the tactic to be illegal."
What states, what complaints? Complaints here don't count. Where are the actual, filed complaints about line sharing?
"It's an issue many argue the FCC should have addressed long ago"
Why? There is no reason for the FCC to even stick their nose in this on their own motion. You can't have the deregulation that allows independent CLECs and VoIP providers to exist and then turn around and whine when that process results in a situation you don't like. Anyone can order an unbundled loop. Nobody wants to pay for it though. Sounds like you want it for "free".
"though the market is slowly forcing telcos in that direction naturally"
If this is the "way it should be" then it will get there through market forces. "Naked DSL" is little more than a marketing/PR buzzword. Ameritech/SBC (for example) ran all DSL on unbundled loops for a number of years until they were forced to line share. Some of those circuits are still in service. How ironic is that? Make up your mind whether you want to have your cake or eat it, Karl Bode . | |
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 |   Minister
join:2002-01-02 Fleeting edit: March 7th, @03:46PM
| Re: Where's the facts? quote: Anyone can order an unbundled loop.
What? For under say $60? | |
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 |  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Where's the facts? They used to sell UL DSL for $39. Haven't priced one out lately, but in the not so distant past you could get an unloaded dry pair "alarm circuit" for about $9. That's basically the same thing.
Covad sells their "naked DSL" product for about what it would cost to have basic POTS with linesharing so you pay one way or the other. | |
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join:2002-01-02 Fleeting
| Re: Where's the facts? quote: They used to sell UL DSL for $39. Haven't priced one out lately, but in the not so distant past you could get an unloaded dry pair "alarm circuit" for about $9. That's basically the same thing.
I don't understand. I can't call SBC, BellSouth, or Verizon and get stand-alone DSL on a dry pair without the local phone component. | |
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 |  |  |  |   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL | Re: Where's the facts? Who said you could? If you want that call someone who sells it, like Covad. I was talking about the "unbundled" part of the equation. What you put on it is your business. | |
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 ldisimino
join:2004-08-17
| Smart move by Bell - VOIP Soon This seems to be a smart move on Bell's part. First of all, they're finally recognizing that they've been losing VOIP customers to cable internet. Secondly, it think this move indicates the launch of Bell's VOIP service in the very near future. Frankly, I think this was only done by Bell in preparation fo their VOIP service; it wouldn't make much sense for them to market VOIP and require customers to have a POTS line at the same time. | |
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  Bozono
@24.43.x.x
| Hooray Only sensible choice they can make. There are plenty of folks like myself who don't need a landline and can only afford $40-50 for the net. I do hope that them lying about feasability of implementation in the past surfaces with some smoke. Alas, don't screw us with a $10 surcharge please. | |
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  Azathoth666
@161.216.x.x
| Bell Canada Gets Naked Lets not forget that Bell need to identify you, just like the internet need to identify your computer. Altough internally nearly all their system is now on IP protocol, the old analog lines that connect every houses are not. They will therefore need to still asign a phone number to you 'house'. Since the CRTC 'rent' the numbers to the providers (last time I checked it was something like 6,25$/number) Bell (and others) will most probably have to charge us at least that. | |
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 |   benatzygoatdotca
@66.11.x.x | Re: Bell Canada Gets Naked I think you're on crack. Every copper pair has a circuit number. The phone number is something that gets attached at a much higher layer.
-b | |
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  goldenLad
@216.75.x.x | Modem Rentals Now if Bell could be only be convinced to offer the service without the forced modem rental... | |
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 XNemesis
join:2002-11-16 Kitchener, ON
| I can just imagine.... Currently I pay $27 for my land line. I'd love to just use my pay as you go cell since I don't use the phone that much and go with dry dsl instead. But I've got an inkling that Bell will charge just as much for the dry dsl, IF NOT MORE, than what I'm currently paying for my land line.
if so...WHAT A JOKE!!!
Would defeat the purpose of naked dsl. | |
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  Marshal Premium join:2003-11-01 Montreal | Unbundled Loop So.. if I understand properly.. I can order a unbundled loop to my house, the connect a DSL modem, and use, for example, the username of my friend's dsl ? | |
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 |   giesen
@cable.rogers | Re: Unbundled Loop No, they still have to enable DSL service on the line. | |
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  Nanika
@sympatico.ca
| Dry DSL with Sympatico? Not yet... Just called Sympatico today (March 26, 2005) to ask exactly when in April they will offer the dry DSL. They said that it won't happen, and if I cancel my landline it won't automatically cancel my Sympatico account, but the internet access would stop with Sympatico still charging me for the non-existent internet until I call them to cancel the service. I am seriously thinking about cancel both Bell and Sympatico and move to Rogers and Vonage but I hate the idea of 60GB bandwidth with Rogers. | |
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 |   MaybeImWrong
| Re: Dry DSL with Sympatico? Not yet... They can't reduce prices without a huge writedown, since all the financial models for 5 yrs out are based on current rates at least. So, there will be extreme disengenuousnous all the way around as they say aaaannnnyyyything to keep the eps up over the projection. | |
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@royalbank.com | Re: Dry DSL with Sympatico? Not yet...
Sympatico DSL without landline is available as of Apr 1 (no joke). You can call 1-888-590-2375. | |
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  Oshawapilot
@primus.ca
| Sympatico only? I've been looking around and calling all kinds of DSL carriers for the last week (Including Primus, whom I've been with for several years) looking for one that would offer me naked DSL, and not one said that they could do it yet.
Of course, I called Sympatico back, and they begrudgingly said that yes, they could provide me a naked DSL service.
There *IS* a surcharge, but the signup lady couldn't quote it exactly - she "Believes" it's less then $10 per month, but wouldn't quote it exactly.
So, after departing Sympatico a few years ago when they first imposed the bitcaps (Which have since mysteriously dissappeared since customers like me defected) I had no choice but to return in order to get a dry loop.
Since I want to move to Voip since LNP came my way earlier this month, I had little choice - I didn't want to pay for a POTS line when I was not going to use it any longer.
Funny how that bitcap dissapeared, though.. Although I *never* ran up against it, I refused to be capped, and left for Primus, who never has had a bitcap. Rarely do I transfer more then 10 or 20 gigs a month, and that's exceptionally rare.
I guess Bell learned the hard way that "Unlimited" internet really should be "Unlimited".
So, once again, within a few days I will unfortunately be a Sympatico customer....and being forced to rent a modem again that I don't actually need, as I own my own.
One can bet that I won't be around any longer then necessary to allow the other DSL carriers to catch up and start offering Dry DSL themselves, at which point I'll likely move again to another DSL carrier that has better pricing, and actually offers a discount for those that own their own modems. | |
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  coolkidd
@sympatico.ca
| they could always charge less for the pots dont know much about how the telco business runs
but Bell could charge less for the pots
is this feasible ?
or it cost them so much to maintain it that we
all must pay $50 bucks every month just for
local calls and limited features..? | |
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