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March 2nd, @06:45PM
| Will they be supplying the hardware? Will the companies be supplying the hardware?
If so, I wonder if they are going to enable WEP/WPA by default? I doubt it. Verizon started handing out the "all-in-one" units, and those came with the wireless function enabled, and unsecured. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
 ·buckeye cable
| Re: Will they be supplying the hardware? i've had TWC home networking and they leave the modems combos wide open.
TWC WOH uses Toshiba cable modems with built in wireless routers in them. and if you ask and they feel like giving it to you they'll give you a new netgear modem/wi-fi router. | |
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join:2002-01-10
Goleta, CA
| Re: Will they be supplying the hardware? What they should do is have it so Wireless is enabled by default, but it requires you to do a song and dance to get it set up.
EXAMPLE:
You connect to your access point with wireless. It lets you connect to a page saying This is how you set up your Wireless Computer for Internet access. It involves a password and your ISP account username. Then it should automatically pick up mac address, give you specific instructions on how to set up your computer to use encryption. This leaves their network Only to their customers, and customers get an easy(er) way of securing their Wireless Internet.
But of course, this is too much work for a company to do...when they can just not do it and get away with it anwyay
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join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Will they be supplying the hardware? yah they should but they don't.
I have a New Edge Networks modem/router that they use for cable and DSL. and i tried to set it up for WEP/WPA and if i enable it or MAC Filtering the router/modem won't even allow computers to logon.
From TWC WOH the only way to get wi-fi access in the house is have the "professional" install and the tech is "setting up" everything to "protect" the customer. But the only thing they do or did for me was change the SSID from the factorty settings to my address. after that the tech left. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| Re: Will they be supplying the hardware? everyone i know that has wireless networking with TWC WOH they left the network wide open- no protection of any type.
i set out side some of my friends house times and use their internet and talk to them. then tell them I'm sitting outside their house on their porch.
After that i use my own Wi-Fi Router and manage it myself. | |
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novaflare
The Dragon Was Here
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join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH
| Here where i live twc offers a router not sure current brand for one time fee of 50 bucks. When they first started offering a few years back it was a linksys befsr41 at the time this router would cost you 75 to 100 every where else. I bought min 2 or 3 weeks before they started offering it. I assked them when it was first offered if i had full control of the router. They told me it was a standard router with standard default configuration just like the one i already has so yes full conrol over it. You better beleive had i known they were gona start offering this id have bought from them. I paid 85 for mine heh. Some times twc and other cabl companies accualy seem to want to keep their customers happy 
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Toledo, OH | Re: Will they be supplying the hardware? did you get full control over the router? | |
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TK Junk Mail
Go ahead, make my day
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join:2002-03-03
Margate City, NJ
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·Comcast
| said by Bill  :Will the companies be supplying the hardware? If so, I wonder if they are going to enable WEP/WPA by default? I doubt it. Verizon started handing out the "all-in-one" units, and those came with the wireless function enabled, and unsecured. And for paying extra for a MANAGED service, that is inexcusable. A customer should at least get a secured router for that extra fee.
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Bill
Light Up The Halo
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| Re: Will they be supplying the hardware? I think the Verizon all-in-one's were free, and it isn't an extra monthly fee, but I may be wrong.
Either way, it's still inexcusable; they're leaving their (Verizon) network open to illegal activites, when they give out insecure hardware.
I've seen people post in the Verizon forum that didn't even know they had a wireless feature! They figured they had to enable it. They only became aware of it after they noticed someone else was using their bandwidth.
I hope these cable companies don't follow Verizons lead.
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AbBaZaBbA
Premium
join:2002-07-10
Long Beach, CA | Re: Will they be supplying the hardware? especially if someone had sensitive information on their pc and it was stolen because the encryption was off by default. That would cause a big lawsuit. | |
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join:2001-10-14
Maryville, TN | Re: Will they be supplying the hardware? Lawsuits like all of the ones against Microsoft for loosing data when a virus exploits a vulerability or someone steals credit card information from a bank? | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
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March 2nd, @07:19PM
| "They" didn't leave anything. Verizon just stuffs the wireless modem/router/AP in a box and says here ya go. They leave it up to the end user to set it up, including securing it. As is the case with most wireless hardware there was mention of it in the instructions from Verizon as well as the configuration wizard.
Meanwhile that modem is complete crap and many are ditching it or requesting an older Westell like the 21xx or 22xx.
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join:2003-10-17
Los Angeles, CA
| In Los Angeles (though it might be national), Verizon started to provide Dell WiFi routers with their DSL service, now the cable providers jump once again on the bandwagon...
It seems to me that the companies that are making the big bucks in this "electronic age" are always reacting to technological progress with A LOT of resistance at first, before being almost forced to embrace it...
This is another perfect example, after the best and the most flagrant: MP3 and digital music. It took years for the music industry for them to realize they had more interest to go along with it and profit from it than to try to fight it as they did at first. This, to me (flag me for that), almost justifies on its own P2P and piracy.
Here I guess a newly-hired geek with some business sence had to explain to the executives what Wifi is and that they could profit from this technology... sad..
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keith2468
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB | There is a big opportunity here for someone, not just ISPs, to start a business offering home networks properly and securely installed. | |
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Trakker
Danger
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ß | Why even bother? Just buy a WiFi modem and have a monkey install it if you can't.
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kfolsom
A face made for radio.
Premium
join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| said by Bill :Will the companies be supplying the hardware? If so, I wonder if they are going to enable WEP/WPA by default? I doubt it. Verizon started handing out the "all-in-one" units, and those came with the wireless function enabled, and unsecured. I have Verizon (NO complaints-BTW), and I was experienced enough to go straight away to the config on the modem/gateway(Westell Versalink 327W) and make sure the wireless was disabled. As of now I have my wireless client and modem WPA-enabled...
But there are others who may not be savvy enough to do this... I submit: all providers who give this kind of tech to their subscribers must disable by default OR make some kind of advisory for their subs...
It's one thing when manufacturers send out their products wide open out of the box; when an ISP does this, it is asking for network trouble, IMHO.
YMMV.
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kfolsom
A face made for radio.
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join:2003-01-31
Yucaipa, CA | Re: Will they be supplying the hardware? OOOPS! Meant WEP(better than nothing) | |
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL
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March 2nd, @10:46PM
| My syster had the sbc/yahoo home networking package at her appartment. I think by default it had 64-bit wep. The key was set to a number printed on the modem/router on a label.
However, the web interface itself was setup without a password, which is just looking for trouble. | |
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join:2005-02-02
Portland, OR
·Comcast Formerly ..
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March 3rd, @04:04AM
| I recently did some research and these are the options for Comcast home networking in my market (Oregon/SW Washington), and it seems to be fairly universal so far with only some differences in pricing for other markets.
Pick one:
4mb service 42.95 (52.95 without TV discount)
6mb service 52.95 (62.95 without TV discount)
Then add:
5.00 per month to lease equipment ($2.00 more than modem lease)
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Purchase gateway with Comcast branded firmware from Comcast for $179.99 and avoid lease charges. (Comcast still supports home network if you purchase it from them.)
149.99 for installation of up to 5 computers (Mac or PC)
- WEP enabled (128bit) as well as "password protected" (their words, not mine LOL)
+ $30.00 purchase for wireless cards if necessary (no Airport cards available)
Minimum operating system requirements are Windows ME or Mac OS 10+.
Leasing the equipment looks like it will add up, but if you're tech stupid it ain't that bad a deal because they support the home network and set it up for you. That means they'll roll a truck for 49.99 and actually fix your network on site if you screwed it up, or for free if it's their fault. They will also set up file share, print share, and their own "parental controls" that seem to give the admin user control over who can access the net and when. I'm not quite clear on that one.
I know a lot of older people, tech challenged people, etc who want to use multiple computers in their homes but don't know how to do it. . .or don't want to -F- with it.
So for a whopping $2 more per month you can have their home networking and networking support. Only difference is the start-up charge, which is a drop in the bucket if you're going to pay for Comcast service. (Comcast is the most expensive service in my area, but it's also the fastest by far.)
Comcast will not provide tech support beyond their single modem connection (i.e. to your home network) unless you are a Comcast HN customer.
That last part I know quite well, as every time I've needed to talk to tech support they say so and ask me to bypass my router. LOL | |
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join:2001-07-16
Silver Spring, MD | More computers = more bandwith The more people hook up a computer to their routers, the faster they will hit their bandwith caps. | |
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| Re: More computers = more bandwith We just started offering wireless networking to our cable customers in Ventura, CA. We provide the wireless gateway for $5 a month ($2 more than a regular modem). We install with WEP enabled, and the gateway configured for secured access by our tech support staff. We realize that many of the people who are starting to get into networking are not experienced enough to set this up themselves, so we do all the setup, and are able to do some serious hand-holding when they call for tech support. | |
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You Drink, You Drive, You Spill
Premium
join:2002-06-15
Shelton, CT
| said by FDM80 :The more people hook up a computer to their routers, the faster they will hit their bandwith caps. Not true. Each cable line is capped at a certain rate (i.e. 3mpbs), and all the router does is allow you to disperse that bandwidth among computers in your house. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| Re: More computers = more bandwith In the case of some cable operators like Comcast, the same TOS/AUP limitation apply for HN as their regular service...thus the more bandwidth you consume the faster you get their nastygram.
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keith2468
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join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
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March 2nd, @07:45PM
| It isn't how many computers are hooked up that determines when you hit your bandwidth cap.
It is how many files you upload and download.
And that has to do with what hobbies the customer has, and how many people live in the customer home.
Having 2 or 3 computers is more of a convenience for most families.
It means family members can get on the computer when they want, instead of queue up to use it one after another.
If the customer's hobby is running a major software or multi-media distribution site, and they do that on all their computers, yes then the more computers means hitting the cap sooner. But then they should have probably an institutional account.
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| Re: More computers = more bandwith That wasn't his point. His point was that the more computers using the same service = more usage of the service. The more usage of the service, the faster you reach certain providers -coughcast- monthly caps.
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join:2001-07-16
Silver Spring, MD
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: More computers = more bandwith said by oliphant :That wasn't his point. His point was that the more computers using the same service = more usage of the service. The more usage of the service, the faster you reach certain providers -coughcast- monthly caps. Exactly. More computers being able to get online at one time usually means more than one person using the connection at once, which you would think would lend itself to more bandwith being used overall. | |
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zoom314
Superman
Premium
join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| Re: More computers = more bandwith said by FDM80 :said by oliphant :That wasn't his point. His point was that the more computers using the same service = more usage of the service. The more usage of the service, the faster you reach certain providers -coughcast- monthly caps. Exactly. More computers being able to get online at one time usually means more than one person using the connection at once, which you would think would lend itself to more bandwith being used overall. Yeah You're right, more bandwidth, Only extra PCs dedicated for FAH or Seti don't really use a whole lot of bandwidth, 350k or sized packets don't amount to much I'd think. And I have 4 cpus in 3 PCs using 1 IP and so I'm not interested in TWC except as leverage against VOL, Which for the most part works just fine. Nor in Paying for Home Networking as I already have that and It works fine and is free, But then I set It up Myself along with the PCs as they aren't store bought PCs like DELLs.
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join:2004-10-18
Suffolk, VA
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March 2nd, @08:44PM
| Verizon East Verizon supplies the wireless router/modem combo for a one year commitment, but no extra fees. They also provide support for the router. At least they did for me when I was setting up a small office network with a Linksys router. They had me up and going in no time. Charter does not "support" routers or home networking, but they don't care if you do it on your own. Just don't call them if something doesn't work. | |
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burgerwars
join:2004-09-11
Northridge, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| How times have quickly changed. It used to be the cable companies would threaten you if you installed WiFi, now they're pushing you to do it since they now want to sell you the service.
Thing is, it's very easy to set up a WiFi network, in fact too easy. People are buying these cheap devices from Best Buy, and just plugging them in without configuring any sort of encryption or Mac address filtering.
I'm sitting here on my laptop on my bed typing this using my WiFi connection, even though I could have easily chose from a couple of other neighbors' connections. I would say one-half of all WiFi's in my neighborhood have no security. Oh well, that's their problem, not mine. | |
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slogun1
join:2000-10-20
Syosset, NY | Re: How times have quickly changed. I was lucky enough to get FIOS installed last week. They provide you with a free wired router and will configure your network for you, if necessary. They will supply you with a wireless router for an additional fee. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| Firewalls could ease troubleshooting. I'd be extremely happy if they had firewalls that they could log into do some troubleshooting and be able to determine without having the user do all the reboot, turn off this and that type of troubleshooting.
Of course then people with other types of firewalls would have to swap in theirs or whatever. | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | WTF? what is the point of this? people that can't run their own home networks probably dont need to HAVE a home network. it takes a license to drive, but becoming a spam zombie, DDOS node, and free internet hub takes nothing? | |
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Trakker
Danger
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join:2003-01-12
ß | Re: WTF? Amen brother Amen...
plust now lets see "Johhy I bought it from Veriozn" configure the wireless card that has to go in his notebook.
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haplo2112
join:2003-05-12
Charlton, MA | I miss the old MediaOne Home Networking... ...for an extra 10 bucks we got 3 IPs instead of One...now that's home networking. | |
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join:2003-05-12
Charlton, MA | Re: I miss the old MediaOne Home Networking... Ah...if only Charter offered something like that....they have been known in various areas to offer aditional IP's but when I call they always sound like they think I have 3 heads for even asking. | |
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Trakker
Danger
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join:2003-01-12
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| Duhhhh! Again get in car, got to bestbuy, CompUSA, walmart, whatever...and buy a wireless router. Plug it in, get your wireless cards up and running. Done.
It's an appliance level install, if you can not do it, yuo should not be on the "internets".
What's interesting is all of these companies provide wirelss routers...but they don't mention wireless cards.
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@comcast.net
| Comcast's anti network strategy I just cant stand it. I used to have comcast cable and loved it to bits, then I had to move to dial-up land for nine awful months 12,000 baud!! Well, I moved back to the city and got comcast again, but lo and behold I couldn't set up my Internet connect like in the past. Used to be if I swapped modems or changed services, a quick call to comcast with a account number and a new mac address was all that was required. Bang, online again. But Nooooooooo.... Comcast wants to SELL me a Networking solution. They want to set me up with a wireless router and config it for me at a handsome fee.
Well, I will never go wireless. I prefer cabled architecture and own all the networking gear I need, got 4 comps a ps2 and printer... so not thinking I set it all up after the weird install... and the entire network was offline!
What comcast wants you to do, is to run that CD-rom they give you, which alters your browsers, and sets up your account. With their software/spyware. What they didn't say, was the comp had accessed the internet WITHOUT giving them the modem's MAC address, and then proceeded to set my account to the Mac address of the on-board NIC on the comp I set up.
So this means as soon as I put my comp behind the router, the network went offline.
Lucky for me, the router I own I can "spoof" the mac address, and then access the internet. But the question begs, What if I change NIC cards? get a different comp? Sure I can go thru the setup again, But I far prefer the day of the registering the Mac addy of the cable modem instead.
Sign me NOT PLEASED
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join:2003-05-14
Quincy, MA | Re: Comcast's anti network strategy It's BS if you have to pay for homenetworking at any cost, since your ISP doesn't support you or trouble shoot your problem until they force you to remove your router. | |
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