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Firefox, SP2 likely reasons...
(old news - 10:20AM Tuesday Mar 01 2005)
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The maker of a pop-up blocker app tells Wired News "There's still a lot more spyware that gets in through the holes in Internet Explorer than through the holes in Mozilla, but it's changing." At least he hopes so, or his product won't have much of an audience. In reality advertisers are using fewer pop-up ads: NetRatings says advertisers recorded 918 million "impressions" of pop-up ads in January, down from last year's total of 2.2 billion.

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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

I haven't seen a popup...

... since LONG before Firefox & SP2!
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:18:49 · Reply to this

lazsheriff
Laz

join:2005-01-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL

918 million

918 million popups? I couldn't tell I haven't seen one of those things in ages.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:18:58 · Reply to this

Speedy8
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join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
clubs:

Re: 918 million

said by lazsheriff See Profile:

918 million popups? I couldn't tell I haven't seen one of those things in ages.
I actually got one a few days ago in firefox, freaked me out. Loaded the page again and didn't get it, must have been a bug or something.
permalink · 2005-03-01 12:58:57 · Reply to this

RC24a

@attbi.com

Re: 918 million

This site gives me a popup on firefox everytime.....

»www.jacksonville.com/
permalink · 2005-03-01 18:33:57 · Reply to this

sivran
Long Live The Suite
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join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
clubs:

Re: 918 million

No popups on Mozilla.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910
permalink · 2005-03-01 22:17:05 · Reply to this

Kxpuc

join:2004-05-04
Houston, TX		 no pop up and anyway you can block some of the pop ups that get through with some AdBlock filters just ad.jacksonville.*
permalink · 2005-03-03 00:14:11 · Reply to this

laserjobs
Premium
join:2004-05-02
Las Vegas, NV

Fire fox Pop-ups

I am starting to get pop-ups in Firefox anyone know how to get rid of them. Pop-ups make it through from »www.drudgereport.com/
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:22:10 · Reply to this

jjoshua
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ

Re: Fire fox Pop-ups

Same here... Started happening a few weeks ago.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:27:22 · Reply to this
Ga Dawg

join:2003-09-11
Marietta, GA

Re: Fire fox Pop-ups

in about:config create an integer named privacy.popups.disable_from_plugins with a value of 2.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:47:58 · Reply to this

EveryName
Wake Up
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join:2001-12-05
Montreal
·Shaw

Re: Fire fox Pop-ups

said by Ga Dawg See Profile:

in about:config create an integer named privacy.popups.disable_from_plugins with a value of 2.
That worked.
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permalink · 2005-03-01 11:37:15 · Reply to this
RavenTKR

join:2003-05-12
Cleveland, OH		 That integer added to the config file fixed my problem as well, as I tested it visiting www.drudgereport.com. And guess what, no more pop-ups from that site.
permalink · 2005-03-01 12:17:26 · Reply to this
pcuser0

join:2004-08-12
Los Angeles, CA

Re: Fire fox Pop-ups

I did that and I am still getting pop ups from those webpages you said such as drudgereport.com.
permalink · 2005-04-05 20:28:23 · Reply to this

Knapp
Premium
join:2004-02-14
San Luis Obispo, CA		 Pardon my ingnorance but where is about:config?
permalink · 2005-03-01 12:26:57 · Reply to this

Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA

Re: Fire fox Pop-ups

Type "about:config" (no quotes) in the location bar in FireFox and hit enter.
permalink · 2005-03-01 12:31:46 · Reply to this

Knapp
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join:2004-02-14
San Luis Obispo, CA

Re: Fire fox Pop-ups

Thanks, don't know why I didn't think to try that :P
permalink · 2005-03-01 12:54:55 · Reply to this

steelerboy26

join:2002-02-24
Oakland, CA

 I tried a few things but I can't seem to get the correct info.
I'm trying to create a filter for cdfreaks but can't seem to get it correct. Once I see how it's done, I'll be able to do it for myself next time... I just need to be shown once. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Steeler
permalink · 2005-03-01 14:26:00 · Reply to this
sdd75

join:2001-10-14
Maryville, TN

 I think I noticed why it passes. In firefox, the default setting of one allows you to click a link twice to allow the popup. I guess the program figures that if it tried to pop up twice, then you must be asking for it. If you visit the site in question with IE, you'll notice that you get 2 pop-up's, not 1. The one thing I noticed is, they are different pop-ups. This both sets a good and bad precident. The good is, the firefox designers could potentially query to see if both pop-ups are from the exact same full url. (not just domain) The bad news is, sites could start creating 2 popups of the same kind. This could wind up being a game of cat and mouse.

1 popup blocked, 2 clicks opens desired popup.
2 popups blocked, 3 clicks opens desired popup.
3 popups blocked, 4 clicks opens desired popup.

You get the idea, how this could be bad. Some may wonder what a desired popup is. Many web sites open a new window when an external link is clicked so you can keep both pages live. As it stands, double clicking the link allows you to open it, because firefox senses the fact that page tried to open twice, not once and it's disable_from_plugins is 1.
permalink · 2005-03-01 17:30:53 · Print · Reply to this

baysoor

join:2002-03-12
San Jose, CA		 www.greatschools.net

Select a state then select a city. You will still see two popups. I have adblock installed with advanced filters so the new windows are blank (No text or pictures) but it is still a pain to close those.
permalink · 2005-03-03 02:32:47 · Reply to this
mam48

join:2005-03-16
98133-4014

 Go Dawg.

I typed in about:config in my Firefox location bar but am confused on how to create the integer you suggested. I went to the Filter bar and typed it in but I don't know how to enter it and complete this task. Please advise step-by-step if not too much of a hassle for you. Thanks in advance for your assistance.
permalink · 2005-03-16 05:07:08 · Reply to this
wintkat3

join:2005-04-02
Milford, CT

Re: Fire fox Pop-ups

Also requesting step-by-step as discussed above by mam48. thanks
permalink · 2005-04-02 06:45:28 · Reply to this
mam48

join:2005-03-16
98133-4014		 Sorry Ga Dawg for addressing you as Go Dawg.

My apologies.
permalink · 2005-03-16 05:17:42 · Reply to this

Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA

 I've seen that before. The ad script puts an "onclick" attribute on the body tag. Then, when you click anywhere on the page, the script opens a new window and writes code to that window. This gets around pop-up blockers in two ways:

1. The pop-up window is being "requested" by the user when they click so most pop-up blockers will let it through.

2. The content doesn't come from a particular address so URL-based pop-up blockers won't catch it.

A third-party script blocker (as described in my other post) would be able to stop these. Can't say that I know of any in existence right now though.
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permalink · 2005-03-01 10:29:12 · Print · Reply to this

Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26		 When I click your link I don't have pop-up and it says missing plugin (flash macromedia). I know there's some extension to disallow flash on certain sites, it may be your answer.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:30:21 · Reply to this
ghicken
Premium
join:2004-12-01
Taneytown, MD		 Adblock works for me. I blocked scripts from running on Drudge Reports. I haven't gotten a popup since.

permalink · 2005-03-01 10:46:01 · Reply to this
ojing

join:2004-03-09
Norwalk, CT		 Amazingly, simply blocking the cookie is enough to stop that particular pop-up. I guess that unless Drudge gets proof of the click through (i.e. paid), they will not bother to deliver the message.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:55:02 · Reply to this

woody7
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join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
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said by laserjobs See Profile:

I am starting to get pop-ups in Firefox anyone know how to get rid of them. Pop-ups make it through from »www.drudgereport.com/
weird, when I click on this site, Firefox locks up....
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permalink · 2005-03-01 12:00:23 · Reply to this
b10010011
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join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
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said by laserjobs See Profile:

I am starting to get pop-ups in Firefox anyone know how to get rid of them. Pop-ups make it through from »www.drudgereport.com/
You got something set wrong, I don't get any pop ups on that site.
permalink · 2005-03-01 12:53:54 · Reply to this

sivran
Long Live The Suite
Premium
join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
clubs:		 Switch to Mozilla. No pops. :P

»www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/
permalink · 2005-03-01 22:21:31 · Reply to this
steven s
Premium
join:2002-09-14
Dearborn, MI

still get em

And now the popup companies know how to get around the blockers. Everyday I get at least 1 popup on Safari or Firefox.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:24:45 · Reply to this

Jason Levine
Premium
join:2001-07-13
USA

Good news and Bad news

The good news is that pop-up ads are declining.
The bad news is that DHTML Floater ads are increasing. These ads use HTML, CSS, and JavaScript to float an ad over the webpage (either for a specified period of time, or until the user clicks it away). The problem is, it's hard to block these. If you block DHTML capabilities, you block a lot of useful functionality that webpages are using for constructive purposes.

IMO, the best solution that I can tell would be third-party script blocking. Most of these ads are generated from JavaScripts that an advertising server generates. My recommendation would be to ignore script tags if the src attribute doesn't point to a file on the same server as the parent document. You could have a whitelist for exceptions and show the blocked scripts in an information bar just like blocked pop-ups.

For example, a page on www.example.com is trying to load a script that resides on www.anothersite.com. The browser would ignore the script and display the information bar to let the user know. However, another script called from the same page resides on the whitelisted google.com and so it is let through.
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permalink · 2005-03-01 10:24:49 · Print · Reply to this

lazsheriff
Laz

join:2005-01-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL

extension

the adblock extension for firefox works great with filtering every ad you can think of it just takes some time to build a good database of filter before you start seeing less and less ads.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:27:15 · Reply to this

Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02

Stupid Buzzing Fly Banner Ad

Off topic, but has anyone else been driven mad by this miserable piece of brilliant marketing the past month?

Just a simple banner ad where you swat a fly, but the fly's buzzing rattles your damn teeth. No "off" button for the sound, either.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:29:02 · Reply to this

Matt
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Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..

Re: Stupid Buzzing Fly Banner Ad

said by Karl Bode See Profile:

Off topic, but has anyone else been driven mad by this miserable piece of brilliant marketing the past month?

Just a simple banner ad where you swat a fly, but the fly's buzzing rattles your damn teeth. No "off" button for the sound, either.
Yep. I hate that f'ing thing. Any ad with audio should be shot.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:43:18 · Reply to this
x____

join:2003-02-13
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clubs:		 I haven't gotten the fly one yet but any ad with sound is damn annoying and I have gotten a few while trying to watch vids for m90/abum style sites.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:44:26 · Reply to this
smcallah

join:2004-08-05
Home

Vonage does Pop-Ups

I'm kind of sick of the Vonage love I see on this site, when they are one of the companies using a large number of pop-ups. It is one of the pop-ups that can get through FireFox's pop-up blocker.
permalink · 2005-03-01 10:43:42 · Reply to this

SNT
Premium
join:2002-07-17
Satellite Beach, FL

2 edits

Re: Vonage does Pop-Ups

I am there on almost a daily basis. I have never gotten a popup from them. No message saying that there was a popup blocked either. I do not have adblock installed. Plus I don't get a popup on drudge either

EDIT: OOPS! Sorry, I just re-read your post. You are not referring to the vonage website.

My apologies.
permalink · 2005-03-01 11:52:44 · Reply to this

TheMadSwede
Premium
join:2001-01-30
Holland, MI
·Charter Pipeline

Why were they ever on the incline?

I recognize that popups must generate some kind of revenue, but I've never understood why they came into prominence at all! Almost no one likes them. I liken them to the great mystery of spam.
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permalink · 2005-03-01 11:37:43 · Reply to this

nil
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Re: Why were they ever on the incline?

Nobody likes spam either.. but that's on the increase.

If only 0.1% of people who see it click on it and buy something it's worth it to the advertiser. Internet advertising is very low cost.
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permalink · 2005-03-01 12:50:07 · Reply to this

project ho



piracy vs ads

ok ... piracy vs ads...

you download the show DARMA and GREG and watch it with no
comercials it illegal because the comercial pays for the show.....now you go on a web site block all ads an pop ups
thats only hurting you and druge because your not supporting that web site or the tv channel nbc...

What if a web site blocks you if you block there ads?/?
You are viewing the web site for free..are you?

THIS CR@P IS NEVER GOING TO END
(Starting in the year 2007 if you block ads or have software that blocks ads then your stealing
content from that site).....its never going to end.
permalink · 2005-03-01 14:35:28 · Print · Reply to this
Eloryn

join:2003-01-12
84118-6630

Re: piracy vs ads

Were you being sarcastic, or do you really believe what you just said?
permalink · 2005-03-01 18:52:59 · Reply to this
Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ

 i did once find a site that wouldnt let you download from them if you blocked their ad popups. when i went to the site of the guy who made the popup blocker blocker he was spouting off on how blocking popups was stealing from webmasters. so ya never know what people will believe. oh well id rather block popups then risk getting Gator.
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permalink · 2005-03-02 04:03:56 · Reply to this

Anti_Cyrix
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join:2003-03-06
Sacramento, CA
said by project ho:

(Starting in the year 2007 if you block ads or have software that blocks ads then your stealing
content from that site)
In that case, I guess all of us (maybe excluding you) are officially going to be thieves
permalink · 2005-03-02 04:56:16 · Reply to this

Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online

Stop the BS

I love Firefox, but Firefox has such a small percentage of users that they have no effect as big as that on pop ups. You know what happened? People are getting smarter and not clicking the damn pop ups, thus advertisers don't waste time on them anymore.

This site is so pro-Firefox it is not funny. It's almost getting annoying.... I love and support Firefox, but I'm not going to say every good thing under the sun is because of Firefox!

-Tzale
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permalink · 2005-03-01 19:28:03 · Print · Reply to this

RC24a

@attbi.com

Re: Stop the BS

Well its IE that has effected the numbers, but every little bit counts SP2 is the main reason, they finally added the popup blocker in IE and that has a huge effect. With FF/Netscape/Moz all chipping in, it all helps
permalink · 2005-03-01 23:44:40 · Reply to this
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