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Stop All The Downloadin
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New York, NY
1 edit | yeah! Shut 'em down!
Half the country still doesn't have broadband but I'm still sick of them. | |
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ogar
join:2001-12-05
Ephrata, PA
clubs: | Yes they are a waste of tax money and all they do is hold back technology upgrades. | |
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join:2001-05-29
Santa Ana, CA | close there doors. They are a waste of tax money. | |
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goldy
join:2000-11-14
Augusta, GA
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| "ensure that the American people have available -- at reasonable costs and without discrimination -- rapid, efficient, nation- and world-wide communications services."
Interesting... At reasonable cost....Is that what they were (and will be doing) auctioning off all that bandwith to the highest bidder. | |
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join:2004-03-18
West Sacramento, CA | Re: yeah! nah, they'll use that money for all the secret wiretapping and monitoring projects the government imposes. I guess the 82 dollar toilet seats and 27 dollar screws just arent cutting it anymore. LOL | |
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| pacbowl
join:2005-02-12
Riverbank, CA
| said by Neil  :Shut 'em down! Half the country still doesn't have broadband but I'm still sick of them. yeah .... SHUT 'EM DOWN!!!!
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BonezX
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Canada | hell why not well they aren't doing their jobs as it is, why not just shut them down. | |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
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Nirvana
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3 edits | Re: hell why not
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Encino, CA | Re: hell why not And this has what to do with the FCC, other than neutering media who don't conform to the current propaganda scheme? | |
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join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL | Re: hell why not Ignore the troll. | |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
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Nirvana | Re: hell why not Oh ye of little satire... | |
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join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL | Re: hell why not I don't mind satire, but unrelated Bush-bashing trolling is just annoying. | |
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Encino, CA | Re: hell why not Honestly, there are so many legit reasons to Bush-bash...at least wait until your topic is relevant 'fore launching the flames. | |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
1 edit | I rest my case...
(Ya'll really don't see the hand of "His Holiness" all over the FCC ??? -- oh maybe you think censorship from Big Brother [Falwell] is all part of God's Plan? ) | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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| Re: hell why not said by ronpin :(Ya'll really don't see the hand of "His Holiness" all over the FCC ??? -- oh maybe you think censorship from Big Brother [Falwell] is all part of God's Plan? ) Why haven't you moved to Canada already?
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| Re: hell why not said by pnh102 :said by ronpin :(Ya'll really don't see the hand of "His Holiness" all over the FCC ??? -- oh maybe you think censorship from Big Brother [Falwell] is all part of God's Plan? ) Why haven't you moved to Canada already? It's f***ing cold. | |
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join:2005-02-12
Riverbank, CA | AHAHAHAHAHA | |
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EdibleTarget
Real Gamers Dont Use Consoles
join:2004-12-02
Lowell, MA | that picture is just awesome...=D | |
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Encino, CA | Can we blow them up, just to be creative? Or is that not an elective choice here?  | |
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BonezX
Basement Dweller
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Canada
| Re: hell why not said by AquaBlaze :Can we blow them up, just to be creative? Or is that not an elective choice here? wouldn't be able to televise it without a delay so they can digitally edit out the flying bodyparts, but hey they let the gore stay during 9/11 why not on the distruction of a governing corperation. | |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
·Comcast
| what I would really like to know is who/what do they think they are protecting or shielding with all that censorship? All the playground kids curse worse than sailors and truckers combined. and if they come of age where they want to take a peek at boobies, they'll find away...usually dad's or big bro's stash. The current standards for regulation/censorship is beyond hypocritical. It's futile. | |
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Premium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19
| but could we live without FCC censorship? I wouldn't mind if we at least abolished censorship from the FCC's responsibilities. Speaking of which, when did the FCC get responsibility for censoring the airwaves? And for that matter, why does it only have that ability for some media and not others? | |
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join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| said by DonLibes :Speaking of which, when did the FCC get responsibility for censoring the airwaves? And for that matter, why does it only have that ability for some media and not others? Congress gave it the authority.
It has the authority only for airwaves because airwaves are a limited, public resource which is extended to broadcasters on a basis more in the nature of a "loan", "lease", or "trust". The airwaves are not permanently sold, and the government retains more control over them than media which do not gain legally exclusive use of government owned property--such as newspapers, magazines, or cable TV.
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LetsRok
join:2001-01-21
Clinton, TN | Abolish It I think it is really and outdated agency that needs to go. Just one less government agency we can do without. | |
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Superman
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join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| Re: Abolish It said by LetsRok :I think it is really and outdated agency that needs to go. Just one less government agency we can do without. Never abolish the FCC, Unless You don't care about new devices interfering with each other(Frequency Anarchy would result If You ask Me), You may as well ask that the US Government be abolished and that will never happen.
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join:2005-02-17
Winthrop, MA
| said by LetsRok :I think it is really and outdated agency that needs to go. Just one less government agency we can do without. It's at times like this I wish everyone would watch the old Alf Tales cartoon which explains why the FCC is a good idea. You know, the one about the evil witch who tries to buy up all the newspapers, TV, and radio stations in the kingdom so that her views would be unopposed.
"We need a commission. A communications commission. A FEDERAL communications commission!"
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one_bored_si
join:2003-03-10
Montebello, CA
·AT&T Yahoo
| I agree, why not abolish it. Only one of two things can happen 1)the Bells, wireless providers, cable providers (those with a strangle hold on consumers) will either get worse thanks to the eventual disappearance of the FCC, so people will stop overpaying for shit they don't really need or are satisfied with the service they receive 2) or people are so atrophied that they simply don't care how they are charged, what quality of services they receive or just don't care if one company owns all the airwaves, that it would be advisable to invest your social security funds in telecommunications as soon as possible. That is if you even cared about that. | |
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DrewCapu
Giant Diehard
join:2001-12-19
California
clubs: | It should be handed over to broadbandreports.com
so that its members/mods/mvms can make all the necessary decisions
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LiamJunket
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
·Comcast
1 edit | Re: It should be handed over said by DrewCapu :to broadbandreports.com so that its members/mods/mvms can make all the necessary decisions Suck up!!:p;) | |
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Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA | Re: It should be handed over Considering that a large rock is more effective at ruling out decisions than the FCC, the BBR members couldn't exactly do harm by taking them over.  | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | Yeah so we can all be forced to run Linux and FF and other nerdware. No thanks.
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Quitting Caffeine - Argh
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| Re: It should be handed over said by oliphant :Yeah so we can all be forced to run Linux and FF and other nerdware. No thanks. Just imagine it, 24x7 broadcasts of how "M$ sux0rz, Linux r00lz the f00lz", interrupted by 5 minutes of real content.
You think the little advertisements every 5 minutes at the bottom of the screen for an upcoming show on TBS are bad now? Wait until they position a PERMANENT FireFox advertisement there!
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Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| Re: It should be handed over said by Matt :said by oliphant :Yeah so we can all be forced to run Linux and FF and other nerdware. No thanks. Just imagine it, 24x7 broadcasts of how "M$ sux0rz, Linux r00lz the f00lz", interrupted by 5 minutes of real content. You think the little advertisements every 5 minutes at the bottom of the screen for an upcoming show on TBS are bad now? Wait until they position a PERMANENT FireFox advertisement there! Ahhh, the horror! And sadly enough, that would STILL be better than the trash we have on TV now. | |
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join:2000-10-28 | Re: It should be handed over
This was tried, actually. It was called "TechLive" and the banners took up 3/4 of the screen.
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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| Re: NO; bandwidth allocation still needed I second your comment. The FCC I think is required as a regulatory body. Without them acting as "airwave police", I think it would be just a free for all in the RF spectrum. Some type of a central body needs to exist to keep things organized and responsibly used.
That being said, they don't need to be the molality police. Let the public decide what we do and don't want to see. In all honesty I bet the majority, if not more, really could care less if they here Tom Hanks yell "Fuck" in Saving Private Ryan or if they see Janet Jackson's tit. Whoop-de-do. There is only a few *cough*Parents Television Council*cough* people that throw everything into a tizzy. CBS, NBC, et al aren't going to turn prime-time TV into the Playboy channel. If parents are too much of a prude to tell little Johny that Rob likes Amber on Survivor, then we really are in trouble in the future.
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Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: NO; bandwidth allocation still needed I find it slightly ironic that my post about morality police was itself put in the queue before it got posted. I'm assuming this was because I said a 4-letter word and it flags it automatically. Sigh.
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thumbs down from:
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| close the FCC and us the money for something ELSE Close the FCC and take that money an give it to Social
Security.... The FCC is a waste of resources ...
New tech would roll-out faster if the FCC ... wasn't
overlooking and forcing them to share with others ...
I figure if they spend billions on a network, they shouldn't
be forced to share. Smaller ISPs get a free ride off the
big companies. They should spend there our money and design
their own network. If they can't then they shouldn't be in
that business.
Playing nice and all the crap isn't always the best
solution. Bottom line the FCC is a waste .....
CLOSE THEM DOWN .... | |
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ctceo
Premium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs: | Uh, ok. {not seriously}
If they did this we wouldnthave to worry about part 15 gripes anymore. BPL could finally achieve it's long time goals. | |
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| Re: Uh, ok. said by ctceo :{not seriously} If they did this we wouldnthave to worry about part 15 gripes anymore. BPL could finally achieve it's long time goals. And the next time you needed a cop for some reason, you may not get him since his radio is screwed up by not only BPL, but by all the other possible emitters that could be tossed out there.
Granted the current FCC admin is not well thought of, but the FCC rank and file are still doing enforcement on people who think that Powell is 'The FCC' and throwing up what ever transmitter they can find. Look beyond the issue of BPL interference at what goes on in real life.
And for a real life situation, ham radio played a part in a major incident here not long ago when a dual tanker full of butane went up and they had to evacuate a bunch of people. If BPL was active, it had the potential to block signals to and from hand held radios of both the official and volunteer systems. Cell phones are fine, but when you need to co-ordinate activities of people over a wide area, then you need something like radio. And for a 10 hour incident, you can not be running battery operated devices at 5 watts, you need to use quarter watt or less transmissions whenever possible.
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clubs: | That I'm not worried about because the BPL that I refer too does not cause harmful interference when deployed correctly. | |
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Holland, MI | Zzz..... This is a good information, but the responses to it are dull and predictable. Welcome to the wonderful world of groupthink -- it works both ways.
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Dirtyping
join:2001-10-30
West Haverstraw, NY
| Airwaves and Interference Chaos without FCC My guess is the people clamoring to have the FCC shut down are the same ones who are screaming about not being able to hear the f word or some nudity on the public airwaves. How awful for you 
Without the FCC there would be all kinds of issues of interference across the board. Over air broadcasting would be a mess not to mention the issues of household appliances interfering with your computer, telecom, etc and vice a versa.
btw - If you want what the FCC considers indecent there is nothing stopping you from buying a subscription to XM, Sirius for radio and pay cable, i.e HBO, Playboy, etc. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
2 edits | If you think things are bad with the FCC wait till you have no FCC. Just because it isn't doing what YOU want it to doesn't mean it doesn't have a propose. The problem started when they started to auction off RF spectra and suddenly this obscure government department turned into a real political plum. What needs to happen is the again have a department which is run by people trained and competent in what they are administering. BPL is a prime example of what is wrong with the FCC. If they had engineers running the joint such as in the old days this would have been laughed out of the building.
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join:2005-02-09
Moss Landing, CA
| HELL YEAH The FCC is such a worthless organization. Im sick and tired of the same old disgruntled womens grops complaining in to the FCC trying to dictate whats exceptable to watch or listen to for the rest of us. All the reports one month (98%)about something "bad" they showed on TV one month were tracked down to a club of bitchy moms acting like Kyles mom on southpark. Do you really want an organization that alows itself to be pushing around by these control freaks out there? The majority of us dont care about the FCC regulations, though everytime you turn on the news its some new scandal. uck! | |
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join:2005-01-31
Enfield, CT | Re: HELL YEAH The FCC needs to be radically restructured and restaffed and the issue of indecency needs to be challenged in court to define exactly what is indecent and when and these regulations need to be administered evenhandedly. | |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | They.. Need a major rehaul as posted previously....they should do what they were made for...making sure devices don't give off interference and such, not censoring media! | |
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Jameson
10-8
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join:2004-05-28
Fallbrook, CA
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Grow Up, People!! C'mon, people. Whether you agree or disagree with the FCC's efforts to set decency standards, they aren't reasons to get rid of the agency.
As several commentators have pointed out, without someone doing some of the FCC's tasks, we'd have airwave chaos.
Additionally, in telecom, somebody still has to resolve the fights between companies about interconnection, etc. Even if you think the FCC's been doing a lousy job (and I do) it's still a job that has to be done.
Saying we should abolish the FCC makes you sound like a third-grader saying we should eliminate all classes except recess. Maybe we should purge the agency's leadership, or maybe we should change its authorizing legislation, but totally getting rid of it makes no sense at all.
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In Debt we trust
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join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA
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| Re: Grow Up, People!! ditto, but when i see all these news posts about BPL and how the fcc is pushing it it makes me wonder whats going on there.
it seems like they are trying to set themselves up for their own down fall, after i saw a interview with one of the people working there saying what they did he mentioned how there was a baby monitor inter fearing with airport radios, almost like that was the only serious thing that happened to them in years
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join:2001-10-30
West Haverstraw, NY | Re: Grow Up, People!! I hope BPL dies before it has a chance to wreck havoc with interference in the shortwave and ham bands. Not to mention kill new growth in digital shortwave. | |
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join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
| Re: Grow Up, People!! said by Dirtyping :I hope BPL dies before it has a chance to wreck havoc with interference in the shortwave and ham bands. Not to mention kill new growth in digital shortwave. BPL died when the FCC declared it had to comply with part 15. Yes the FCC did it's job regardless of what you see posted around here. | |
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asdfdfdf
@xtraport.net
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| declan is frequently so disingenuous Firstly, by the time the fcc came about, competition had already pretty much collapsed and there had been a de facto monopoly. There had also already been antitrust action a few decades earlier. It is far too simplistic to suggest that monopoly is the result of government activity. It does sometimes reinforce monopoly, but implying that the market would be awash in marvelous competition if the government would get out of the way is nonsense and requires one to completely rewrite the history of how governmental involvement in the economy developed in the last century.
Since his article we are now dealing with the end of at&t and mci and their absorption into the baby bells. The rebuilding of the pre-divestiture bell system has to be obvious at this point to anyone not completely blinded by the desire to deregulate everything.
He is full of it in claiming that antitrust law is enough. People of his ideological bent would largely eviscerate antitrust law to any extent possible.
Most especially his notion of converting frequency spectrum into permanent corporate property is utterly appalling. Talk about locking in backward ideas that can permanently entrech concepts that may be made technologically obsolete. The idea of parcelling out frequency spectrum for exclusive use and using government power to shut down any "trespassers"(notice how these people have no problem with using governmental power to protect particular interests from competition for resources) are concepts derived from 100 year old technology and inadequate receivers. Receivers can be made much more intelligent today and we have concepts like uwb that are getting attention again(though they are not new).
Surely even the most deluded deregulationist can comprehend the irony of wanting to use governmental power to coerce a propertization scheme on a resource like the airwaves. Why protect exclusive use? If we really believe in competition why don't we just throw open the airwaves and let the situation hash itself out(after all we claim to have such faith in the market)? At least the public at large would have some participatory voice in such a situation, which is more than can be said for the idea of government handing out permanent control of frequency spectrum. Of course such a thing would decentralize control in a way that would cause all the powerful vested interests(both business and government) to shit their drawers, so hell will be freezing over before we see that happen. | |
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Beverly Hills, CA | Re: declan is frequently so disingenuous Hell you brother!
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flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA | The whole discussion gives me Flatulence ! | |
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join:2004-07-13
Cape Girardeau, MO | Re: The whole discussion gives me This is bullshit! I don't have broadband and I'm in a good area for it. You know what, they don't do their jobs anyway. Damn FCC | |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
1 edit | Remove the FCC from TV/radio regulation only. =p the FCC exists to bring order to the chaos of controling who gets what air waves at what frequency, and they do a good job of this. but their power to control the content of TV and Radio should be removed as the industry can police itself just fine in that department. we dont see pornos on basic cable because no advertisers would sponcer the time for such a program and as such they dont show. big deal a boob jumped out during a superbowl and maybe some kids saw it, but they have allready seen full nudity from playboys their friends sneak into school. same thing with radio Stern is on the air because hes popular, remember ratings are the best control for content not the FCC. so let the FCC do its job of controling Telco mergers and Cable co assimilations and who gets what megahertz and what call sign or what cell frequency, but keep them away from TV and Radio content and maybe they would be able to focus on what they were founded to do. | |
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owenhome
keeper of the magic blue smoke
Premium
join:2002-07-13
Bentonville, AR
·RoadRunner Cable
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1 edit | We can't do away with the FCC If we take a good hard look at the FCC, and we put aside them telling us what not to say, what not to wear, etc. If we put aside the censorship, what's left?
Well, they are the only thing that keeps communications in the US from falling apart. There would be nobody to govern frequency use. Anybody could broadcast anything, on any frequency, at any time. There would be nobody to oversee and restrict interference created by electronics. Gawd, the list just rolls on.
Without the FCC, or an equally apt replacement, in short order we would loose all OTA communications. OTA television would be unwatchable, satellites would fail, Wi-Fi would fail, all devices susceptible to interference would fail, etc. etc. etc. There would be no limit to transmitter power, and you would need some monsters to overcome the interference, so people would be dropping dead from cancer all over the place from EMR exposure. You would have to run your computer in a lead-lined, RF shielded case IF it didn't interfere with itself. It would be insane. As another stated, frequency anarchy. Only optical technologies would be viable. Of course, it wouldn't matter because the devices they connect to wouldn't be. It's just not possible to do away with the FCC.
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There is a lot to be said about scaling back their duties to what we really need them for. I need, we all need them to manage and oversee things like interference, frequencies, standards, etc. I/we do not need them to censor everything for us. Don't get me wrong, I don't want my kids watching pron on NBC, BUT we ALL see nakedness every day. We ALL know what the human body looks like, big deal! I don't need them to fine people for showing something that we all have seen. I don't need them to fine people for swearing. I don't have virgin ears and my kids go to school so they hear it every day anyway. Big deal!
Of course, we look at the bigger picture and see that the reason these fines even happen is because so friggin many people call and complain, send letters, etc. because they were soooooo damaged and offended for seeing a breast. I mean OMG! They must shower with their clothes on to guard their sensitive sensibilities.
Those people are the ones who really need help first. The FCC, as a matter of course, would follow. | |
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