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@bellsouth.net | Upgrade us Bellsouth Instead of focusing their efforts on blocking us from getting fiber Bellsouth should be the one upgrading their customers to fiber. HEY BELLSOUTH: WAKE UP OR SELL OUT! | |
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dohreadmore
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| Re: Upgrade us Bellsouth "Instead of focusing their efforts on blocking us from getting fiber Bellsouth should be the one upgrading their customers to fiber."
Umm, they are... How about going to some other news sites that don't bash the telco's on a daily basis (*cough* broadbandreports.com) and read about all of the Fiber and upgrades they are doing to their network in preparation for VOIP, IPTV, ADSL2+, etc. | |
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Minister
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Fleeting
| Re: Upgrade us Bellsouth Nice domain.
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How about going to some other news sites that don't bash the telco's on a daily basis (*cough* broadbandreports.com) and read about all of the Fiber and upgrades they are doing to their network in preparation for VOIP, IPTV, ADSL2+, etc.
Oh, you mean like they covered at length just last week? Oddly I even found a few bell compliments in there. | |
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@bellsouth.net | What fiber upgrades??? Last I heard they are upgrading us to ADSL2+ that will still have distance issues. Come on Bellsouth get rid of the copper. | |
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ropeguru
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Hollywood, FL
clubs: | Where are all the terrorists when you need them???
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| | ossito16
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Whiting, IN | Re: Where what is a terrorist? someone who will defend there country and way of life anyway possible. someone who doesn't have the weapons technology and uses old school ways of war. real terrorism does not exist. | |
| | | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Where "Real terrorism does not exist."
I didn't even know they delivery internet services to under a rock. Which is where you must be living.
To answer your question, No. That is simply defending yourself any way possible.
From Dictionary.com:
Terrorism - The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Come out from under there and meet the world my friend. If you don't see terrorism in the world today then you are either: 1.) One of them 2.) Stupid 3.) Really do live under a rock. (Just for the record if you are #1, then #2 is a given) | |
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join:2004-07-31
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| Re: Where I do not live under a rock, I was making a sincere comment. So where does one draw the difference between revolutionaries (i.e. Boston Tea Party) and terrorist. Both are organized groups that have the intention of intimidating(to hopefully avoid bloodshed). Think about it, go to your local school bus company and check security there protecting busses. A real terrorist would want to inflict terror with no real goal. For example ,if several terrorist across USA planted bombs on school busses (luckliy we have enough prayer against this type of thing) to go off simultaneously, whether kids were on the busses or not, would cause complete chaos for all school districts. That is 'real' terrorism. Plenty of other scenarios that are basicaly unstoppable. | |
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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Where These are of course my opinion and others may vary....
One is a rebellion against something being forced on them and was not a cowardly act of violence as terrorism so often is. In your example the rebellion of another tax. I would really classify this more as a riot since if memory serves me right it was a spur of the moment thing.
Terrorism would be more of an act of violence against someone that does not have the same beliefs which is why they are religious and political in nature. To continue with your above example we would have to say they were mad not at a tax hike, but because they were not muslim. And they didnt just throw the tea overboard then tar and feather them, but instead the cowards walked up to unarmed and innocent people that had nothing to do with it and slaughter them to invoke fear in them.
Revolutionaries would bring together and/or persuade others to unite in a common cause for the good of the people. However, if a revolutionary then lead them on an offensive violent attack against others that did not believe the same as they did, they are terrorist. With that in mind you could say Hitler was a revolutionary. But the instant he started killing others that did not believe the same he did he became a terrorist and was dealt with accordingly. | |
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join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
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| Re: Where I am going to say that maybe we are saying the same thing but its just definitions of words we are disagreeing on. I agree that anyone wanting to bring about change need not intentionally kill innocent people. But being innocent does not make one neutral. I guess now we have a problem with what it means to be innocent. If a kid is hanging around people he 'knows' to be involved with gangs and is in the car when they 'unexpectedly' do a driveby, is he innocent?? | |
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Winterset, IA
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| said by Skippy25  :Terrorism - The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons. Sounds like the RIAA.
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Hollywood, FL
clubs: | You people obviously did NOT get the point. WE need them to take out the ILECS!!!!
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1 edit | What would stop them? What would stop Lafayette from partnering with competiting content providers like OTHER cable and telco operators, offering the cheap reseller rates on the future fiber network. Instead of the city providing the data, offer competing content providers. I'm sure Time Warner, Verizon, ELN and other data and video providers wouldn't mind selling content to subs. Then there could be others willing to counter BS and Cox's upcoming commercial propaganda that will appear should their be a vote on the bonds. Instead of 1 or two companies owning the infrastructure in every city, holding consumers hostage...these providers could all compete against each other to provide content to consumers with lease fees covering the cost of maintaining the taxpayer owned infrastructure and paying back the bonds.
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| | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: What would stop them? I have offered this solution several times.
From a previous posting (some emphasis added), which has it's critics.  Take note of the last 2 paragraphs as I think they are the biggest slap in the face to local incumbents.
I personally want to see a tax and/or bond subsidized nationwide fiber network to every home and office building in the country implemented by the government. I would then like to see a governmental body personally responsible for the leasing, upgrading, and maintenance of this network either directly or through 1 or 2 companies that answer to it.
That's right. 1 line to my house that any service provider I choose can use by simply leasing it from one of the above mentioned. If I want to use SBC for local service so be it, if I want Verizon so be it. If I want Phil's Phone Service and Tackle Shop of Phoenix because I hear how great they are, then so be it. There should not be a single restriction to my choice or to the ability in getting me my choice.
And guess what, the marginal amount of money I spend on any tax hike would be saved exponentially through true competition. If not in pure dollars then it would be through my happiness with the providers I choose and not the ones the highly restricted market does.
I think one of those articles about muni’s hits it dead on the head. Your local incumbents, cable or phone, are not so concerned with muni’s costing communities tax money. They couldn’t care less as they are concerned with protecting their monopolistic markets. Do you think they really care if your taxes go up a few cents for a project that may fail? How many other times have you heard of them whining about this when it was another worthless government project not competing with them but wasting millions in taxes?
In reality it would actually benefit them if these failed. They could then purchase preinstalled fiber for pennies on the dollar and yet they "fear" them because it may waste a few of your tax dollars. Instead they spend millions of your dollars trying to get people like you afraid of them as well. Give me a break, in the long run nothing but good will come of any government sponsored broadband project, even in the unlikely event that they fail.
As noted in another post... Any tax hike (if it is used) to fund such a project would probably be a lot less then the next cable or of universial service hike that will be coming down the pipe. If the incumbents won't do it, then they should step aside and let the people do it and the only way the people can do it is with the governments help. | |
| | | ernieJohnstn
join:2005-02-27
Lilburn, GA
| Subsidized Fiber Network STOP! HALT! BACK-UP!
I think Skippy is on to something here.
Both parties are going about this all wrong. It's time for a new direction.
What Lafayette wants is a ubiquitous high-speed network to fuel economic growth. What they also need is competition for customer services.
But Lafayette, UTOPIA (Utah Telecommunication OPen Infrastructure Agency, SaLt Lake City suburbs), iProvo or AnyTown, USA, don't realize that in designing and building their own compLete system, they have limited the scope and fLexibility of the infrastructure. There is no room for upgrades without affecting all users. There is no room for competition and innovation, only differentiated marketing.
iMHO (in My HumbLe Opinion), what the (BeLLSouth) TeLco wants is economic certainty, as in reduced financial risk. They also don't want competition, but this
is the 21st Century.
ALso iMHO, what the (Cox Communications) Cable Company needs is to increase its bandwidth by moving to fiber, though they probably don't know that yet.
How can these entities work together?
At $30,000 / mile or roughLy $6 / foot the largest category of expense in deploying FttH (Fiber To The Home) is in the buried fiber. With fiber costing only about $1 / foot, and the conduits about $0.25 / foot, the largest singLe cost then is in BURYING the fiber conduit!
Therefore, the best thing Lafayette could do is to work with the TeLco, the CabLe company and an overbuilder or Data CLEC (Competitive LocaL Exchange Carrier) to obtain assurances that if they bury conduits (4x) or fiber, most of those companies would build out the electronics necessary to deliver services over those fibers. By providing the raw fiber or multiple conduits, various vendors are able to develop differing services depending upon the perceived market. I for one, would be willing to form a company to compete with the incumbents with a high-end service.
While the world needs fiber to every premise, it is redundant, inefficient and expensive to run multiple fiber pairs to a single location that could have been placed to one that doesn't have it.
How do the munis (municipalities) win?
Besides encouraging investment and development today, they would benefit from the lease of the fibers and the RoW (Right Of Way) AD INFINITUM, or at least for a very long time. I'm estimating about $0.02 / fiber-foot / month or $0.04 / fiber pair. That's $0.48 / year or about a 15-year pay back, after which its mostly profit.
How do the incumbent TeLco and MSO (MuLtipLe cabLe System Operator) win? With lower costs of entry, the risk is reduced. The higher bandwidth means more services and greater sales, as in tripLe pLay+. Raw fiber means they could deveLop various services using 10 MB/s to 1GB/s access speeds.
How do the munis constituents win?
Consumers would benefit from competing providers.
Dig it?
ernieJohnston@MaiL.Com | |
| | | | Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Re: Subsidized Fiber Network Glad someone with a very good insight agrees with me on this. As you point out, it simply makes good economical sense and would be the best for the customers. They are the what's important right? Incumbents seemed to have lost focus that as they seem to think it is all about the provider. | |
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gogeta6
join:2002-06-20
San Diego, CA
clubs: | Fiber 411 Is Fiber 411 a real group? They said the judge had courage for ruling from the bench. WTF? | |
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Krotz Springs, LA
1 edit | Re: Fiber 411 Deleted by author. | |
| | | | | MonkeyPox4
join:2004-12-21
Lafayette, LA
| Re: Fiber 411 said by Carl :said by gogeta6 :Is Fiber 411 a real group? They said the judge had courage for ruling from the bench. WTF? Yes Fiber 411 is real. And it sucks. It's trying to make Lafayette not step into the future!  They're a bunch of Luddites. Breakfield is a self-described 'nerd', but I can't imagine why anybody technically oriented would try to [U]keep[/U] cheap ftth out of his own city... The others are Bellsouth/Cox shills to the last. I'm still researching the other principals to see what the connections are. | |
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Carl
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Krotz Springs, LA
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| Re: Fiber 411 said by MonkeyPox4 :said by Carl :said by gogeta6 :Is Fiber 411 a real group? They said the judge had courage for ruling from the bench. WTF? Yes Fiber 411 is real. And it sucks. It's trying to make Lafayette not step into the future! They're a bunch of Luddites. Breakfield is a self-described 'nerd', but I can't imagine why anybody technically oriented would try to [U]keep[/U] cheap ftth out of his own city... The others are Bellsouth/Cox shills to the last. I'm still researching the other principals to see what the connections are. True. I agree. If he's such a nerd, that he says he is, don't you think he'd be FOR the fiber?
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| Who is the Judge related to? The Judge that issued this order has a last name of Hebert, pronounced "A-bear" in whatever version of Cajun/Creole/French passes for a dialect in the region.
Anybody want to make bets on how closely he is related to the former Congressman Hebert, so known for doing the wrong thing (example: he used his Congressional power to force the Navy to build a huge hospital/medical complex in New Orleans that it didn't need and didn't want--just so he could have it named after himself. Numerous other federal boondogles carry his ego-stained name.)
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| Yea, something stinks about the whole thing... He ruled from the bench on day 1, with no recess, and with 10 days allocated for the hearing. Bellsouth filed their suit a day later than the deadline, yet that was completely ignored. I don't think the issue was THAT cut and dry.
As far as Fiber411 goes, yes, they are a real group of jackasses. I fail to see how a group could purposely try to stonewall such a huge project like this. Yes, there are risks involved, but success and progress usually never comes without risks of some sort. | |
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Lafayette Faces Fiber Setback
