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TheJoker
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Wait. It sounds like this was a fiber upgrade to a little used area. Dark Fiber I believe is fiber that was installed, but not active.
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Viper007Bond
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Portland, OR
| The Dalles? Kinda a weird place to open a tech center if you ask me. Not much out there besides fields and a dam.
Guess fiber is what really matters. 
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| Re: The Dalles? said by Viper007Bond  :Kinda a weird place to open a tech center if you ask me. Not much out there besides fields and a dam. And people willing to work for nothing, and local governments willing to give them tax breaks to employ people at minimum wage. Fiber is just the cover story...
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oroper
Patriots Rule
join:2004-06-01
Beverly, MA
| Re: The Dalles? Interesting your response.
What we need to condiser is, Are those persons to be employed residents there who didn't have anything else to do (unemployed) or are they going to be individuals moving into the community?
Either way, it can be a win, win. Note: I'm not commenting on the pay rate, just the assumbtion that if it's a town that's struggling with unemployment, this may help.
If individuals are moving in to town, that means Motor Vehicle taxes and the like as income for the town and maybe some real estate taxes etc.
Any move that let americans who want to work get the oppertunity to do so is a good thing, as long as they are not raped on the benefits etc. | |
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Troy Mcclure
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Enumclaw, WA | Re: The Dalles? Yep, I would move there in a split second. | |
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oliphant
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| said by RadioDoc : And people willing to work for nothing, and local governments willing to give them tax breaks to employ people at minimum wage. Fiber is just the cover story... Yeah, probably would have been better to build the call center in India and leave those people unemployed. 
What employees seem to forget is while they think they're underpaid and God's gift to their employer, in reality they're only worth in pay what it costs to replace them. If they get minimum wage it's only because they can be easily replaced by someone else at minimum wage. And when unions and the like try to artificially inflate those 'fair' wages, they just end up sending those jobs overseas. Of course people will flame me for point out the obvious, but if they ran their own business they would run it exactly the same.
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Re: The Dalles? And when unions and the like try to artificially inflate those 'fair' wages, they just end up sending those jobs overseas. Of course people will flame me for point out the obvious, but if they ran their own business they would run it exactly the same.
You are correct, this is a unforunate fact.
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garagerock
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Louisville, KY
| I'm sorry your business has had such poor luck in hiring employees. Those of us who work for everybody else are just trying to raise families, not get rich. Most people aren't as lucky as you and don't run their own businesses, so their truth isn't your truth.
I don't think any of those things you mentioned, and feel lucky and blessed to have what I have...nor do I belong to any union. Obviously, you've had some bad experiences with employees. Not knowing what your business is, I can't speculate as to why.
Google seems to think otherwise, and is investing in this community. Good for them. | |
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Sortofadog
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Chicago, IL
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| said by oliphant : said by RadioDoc : And people willing to work for nothing, and local governments willing to give them tax breaks to employ people at minimum wage. Fiber is just the cover story... Yeah, probably would have been better to build the call center in India and leave those people unemployed. What employees seem to forget is while they think they're underpaid and God's gift to their employer, in reality they're only worth in pay what it costs to replace them. If they get minimum wage it's only because they can be easily replaced by someone else at minimum wage. And when unions and the like try to artificially inflate those 'fair' wages, they just end up sending those jobs overseas. Of course people will flame me for point out the obvious, but if they ran their own business they would run it exactly the same. First off I do run my own business. Three of them in fact. If employees make me money I hire them. If they don't they're gone. Simple Economics 101. If I can get incentives to locate in an area which gains me a significant short-term windfall I would consider it, especially when there is no downside of leaving the suckers locals high and dry in five years. I am not the local employment office nor do I have any obligation to pay anyone a cent more than I have to.
There are a lot of "incentives" given to lure company Q to location Z and many of them are justified by dangling the carrot of "future tax revenue" in front of desperate local governments. When all those promised $60,000 jobs do not materialize, or they are moved elsewhere the day after whatever term commitment the company signs is over, the town or county is stuck with all of this nice infrastructure nobody wants but the local taxing authority issued tax anticipation bonds to finance and is now up a fast-moving creek without an outboard motor. The same forces which lure a vagabond company to an area just as easily lures them out.
Nobody learned anything from the employment-stealing state, county and local government antics of the late 1980's and early '90s I guess.
I wish all of them success. Too bad they won't get it.
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Louisville, KY | Re: The Dalles? The Robber Barons of the Gilded Age have spoken. Bravo to progress. | |
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John Galt
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Oceanside, OR
| said by RadioDoc :And people willing to work for nothing, and local governments willing to give them tax breaks to employ people at minimum wage. Fiber is just the cover story... The jobs pay in the range of $60,000, some more, some less. That hardly seems like "nothing".
There is also the benefit to the local ecomony, through rents and home purchases, local shopping, etc.
Besides, it is a nice rural area...clean, quiet, unhurried. The only thing "fast" will be the fiber.
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Patriots Rule
join:2004-06-01
Beverly, MA
| Re: The Dalles? said by John Galt : The only thing "fast" will be the fiber. I can forsee a number of chiropractic offices popping up to cure "Whiplash":D | |
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| said by John Galt : said by RadioDoc :And people willing to work for nothing, and local governments willing to give them tax breaks to employ people at minimum wage. Fiber is just the cover story... The jobs pay in the range of $60,000, some more, some less. That hardly seems like "nothing". There is also the benefit to the local ecomony, through rents and home purchases, local shopping, etc. Besides, it is a nice rural area...clean, quiet, unhurried. The only thing "fast" will be the fiber. I was going to mention the $60,000 a year thing but you beat me too it.
It's nice to see Oregon has a minimum wage that is socking it to the taxpayers so those poor minimum wage slaves get $60k a year.  I guess I had better float down the river and suck up some of that tax break welfare that evil small community is dishing out.
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| | audiog
join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI
| said by Viper007Bond :Kinda a weird place to open a tech center if you ask me. Not much out there besides fields and a dam. Guess fiber is what really matters. Yes it is...
The big reason is that Qwest and Verizon told them that it would be years before they are able to offer anything beyond coax or in some cases DS1( DS1 = 24 pots lines or 1.5Mbps) for transport. In effect you don't spent enough money for us to provide you with high bandwidth.
Instead of giving tax breaks to companies Small towns are now saying "build Modern infrastructure and they will come". They have Modern roads, docks, fiber to your door, low construction cost and land values.
The rural coop LECs and local government have banded together to provide a low cost alternative to Qwest and Verizon for transport via Fiber Sonet ring( with DS to OC transport) for cable and small lecs(ISPs).
If you are a corporation looking to set up a shop that needs high bandwidth with low setup cost then Oregon and Washington is a good place. | |
| | PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| said by Viper007Bond :
Kinda a weird place to open a tech center if you ask me. Not much out there besides fields and a dam.
Dam = cheap, stable, unlimited electricity.
Fields = cheap real estate.
Fiber = high-capacity 'net access.
What else do you need for a data center / server farm? Nothing. | |
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Everett, MA
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| Re: The Dalles? tech center and data center are 2 different animals.
If it is a data center that fiber will be 1/2 useless to google since it would be only 1 loop where google requires redundancy. Me thinks local labor and local people working at the company is really what google is shooting for.
Now employees have more calming atmospheres around them then a concrete jungle. Very good for worker moral especially at a company like google.
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Detroit, MI | Re: The Dalles? You are right.... It is the whole package..The network, town and labor force. That is what drives companies to move into rural America. | |
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gomer1701ems
join:2001-08-23
Minneapolis, MN | Oregon Trail Totally off topic, but weren't The Dalles mentioned in the computer game "Oregon Trail?"
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John Galt
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Oceanside, OR
| Re: Oregon Trail said by gomer1701ems :Totally off topic, but weren't The Dalles mentioned in the computer game "Oregon Trail?" Yes, the pioneers on the Oregon Trail passed through The Dalles on their way to the Oregon Trail terminus at Oregon City, to the west of The Dalles.
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| AboutBell
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| Rural insanity It may suprise some here that there are actually people who want to live in a rural community with a unhurried and (gasp!) sane lifestyle. I know that affordable housing and acerage, a 5 minute commute through one traffic light (maybe) with only deer and cows crossing the road to worry about seems like a "crazy" way to live but some people actually prefer it. | |
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Troy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13
Enumclaw, WA | Re: Rural insanity It seems most want to live in crowed, dangerous, dirty cities . . I would prefer not to live and work in cities too. | |
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David
Last man standing
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join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
clubs: | Re: Rural insanity Well, Perryville, MO (my hometown) has just about all of that, they have High speed internet (either cable or DSL) in town. If it was not such a far drive I would look at working in town. | |
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knighters
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join:2002-11-15
The Dalles, OR
| The Dalles Well, as a resident, I can tell you that unemployment is quite high here, and any company that wants to come in, bring decent, living wage jobs to the area is *VERY* welcome. I'm looking forward to it myself, will definitely be putting in my resume.
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TheDalles
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| Re: The Dalles I actually think the Dalles is an ideal place to live. Unfortunately I won't be moving there. The Dalles is close to hood river Oregon which is a nice sports destination. Hood River is a small town similar to a ski town. They have some of the best windsurfing in north America. Because they are a sports destination there are lots of cool restaurants and shops. They are also close to mount hood which has great skiing late into the season. They also have great hiking and white water rafting, mountain biking, water skiing, and fishing. They are also about 30-45 minutes from Portland for shopping and big city stuff. The Dalles is inland enough to be sunny when the coast is getting rained on. This is one of the reasons the windsurfing is good. The cold and wet fronts get stalled against the mountains while further inland hot dry air sits causing high winds on regular basis. It is one of the windiest places in north America so if you detest wind it might not be ideal... | |
| ricep5
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Jacksonville, FL
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| Transcon Fiber The Dalles sits on several transcon fiber runs between Portland and SLC. Some of them are owned by companies that are bankupt from the bubble and remain dark. There is a Sprint, AT&T and MCI transcon going down the interstate through the gorge to Portland. Some follow the Union Pacific right of way in far eastern Oregon.
Of course the local fiber loop off the transcon had to be paid for by someone.
The other fiber run is along US20 from Ontario to Bend and then over to Eugene. I know Qwest has one here.
The rest of Oregon is served by a quantity of north-south runs from Medford/Ashland to Portland. Too many to name or list. Some use the I-5 corridor and some use the old Southern Pacific "Siskyou" right of way. This isn't inclusive, just the ones I am aware of. | |
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the dalles
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| Qlife's Upstream Fiber Provider Goes Bust Noanet Oregon is the company that initially ( suckered ) convinced the dalles to build the fiber network and they are no longer in business as of april 11 2005.
»www.lsnetworks.net/whatsnew.htm
Google still has not commented on what might bring them to the dalles and from word on the street it sounds more like cheap power and water is the draw although no one knows what they will do with it...
Bureaucrats have enough trouble getting the snow off the road and bringing clean water to residents. It is a crime to spend tax dollars on pork projects. | |
| leaderdie
join:2005-04-29
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| | eyetalian
join:2005-04-29
Las Vegas, NV | Re: The Dalles Are they accepting applications? Please keep me in the loop. Any Google employment information you can provide is appreciated! Thanks!!:) | |
| laurie_lv
join:2005-08-20
The Dalles, OR
| Google - The Dalles In response to:
I think if everyone had their druthers, they want a little of everything.
They all want rural living for the laid back lifestyle. But they all want many of the creature comforts that suburban/urban living brings. They want to be within 15-20 minutes of a Target or Wal-Mart. They want to have access to cable and broadband. They want a top shelf public shool with all available services. They want a selection of religious facilties to choose a place to worship at.
The roads must not be congested and always accessible year round. The kids must have compatible neighbors to play with within 5 minutes. There must be a selection of fast food and trendy theme places to eat. Don't even ask about access to professional sports or little league!
Problem is they are all incompatible. You can get some, but you can't get all of them together and expect to get the total rural lifestyle.
*** We do have all that right here in The Dalles and that's why I moved here from Portland. And I love the 2 stop lights downtown (that just flash yellow on Sundays) and free parking. Only a short hop to Portland for the big city life and airport. We joke that it must be rush hour when other cars are on the road.
The good thing is that jobs are coming here, bad is it will change our lifestyle. | |
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