rms01 join:2004-12-01 Salem, OH |
rms01
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2005-Feb-12 12:45 pm
I agree...I use all three, and I agree with the results overall. Opera is no question the fastest, but I think Firefox is much faster than IE... | |
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FIREFOX!FireFox rocks over them all!!! | |
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| | GlassRail Premium Member join:2000-11-02 Retired 1 edit |
Re: FIREFOX!FireFox cuts my upload speed in half Compared to IE | |
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I agree. Firefox is just so much faster than IE it's rediculous. I'll stick with Firefox! | |
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| djrobx Premium Member join:2000-05-31 Reno, NV 2 edits |
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Re: I agree...The thing that kills me about Firefox "speed", and is correctly identified in this nice article, is the cold start time. On the windows box, it took Firefox over twenty seconds to load the first time, vs. only 7 seconds for internet explorer. I rarely notice rendering and script execution speed issues. I notice the load times more than anything else. It does not surprise me at all that Opera is the speed demon of the group. It was extremely apparent how efficient their engine was a few years back when I was working with PDAs. Pocket IE on a Pocket PC was so slow, it was practically nearly useless with most real web pages, where Opera was able to render pages quite nicely on the Zaurus, despite it being a slower PDA. Unfortnately there aren't enough advantages and too many compatibility disadvantages for me to use it for my desktop. At least the web standards are finally making it possible to create decent pages that work on all the browers. The popularity of third party browsers on a Windows is a great thing towards making the internet as a whole browser agnostic. It was a nightmare making nice sites that were compatible with IE 4 and Netscape 4. quote: FireFox cuts my upload speed in half Compared to IE
Are you referring to the Java BBR speed tests? That's not really a browser issue but a Java JVM issue. You are probably using the Microsoft JVM under IE, which I have also noticed results in better speed tests. But, those are just tests. It's extremely rare in real everyday use that you would be uploading something using a java applet as the speed tests do. | |
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rbd1999
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2005-Feb-12 3:11 pm
Re: I agree...quote: ------------------------------------------------------------- The thing that kills me about Firefox "speed", and is correctly identified in this nice article, is the cold start time. On the windows box, it took Firefox over twenty seconds to load the first time, vs. only 7 seconds for internet explorer. -------------------------------------------------------------
On my modest but well tuned system - Windows XP Pro Athlon 1600+ 512MB of DDR 2100 cable modem Firefox COLD START is ~9 secs. IE COLD START is ~7 secs. The homepage for both is » www.google.comThe target of the shortcut I use to start Firefox - "%ProgramFiles%\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" /Prefetch:1 I find the /Prefetch:1 parameter is important. | |
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| | Bananas9 Premium Member join:2004-08-18 Santa Barbara, CA |
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Maybe it has not occurred to you that windows loads the IE shell script on boot, meaning that IE is already primed and ready to go. Of course you would get faster start times if half of it is already running in the background. But what price for speed and what price for security? Me, i choose security and waiting a few more seconds aint gonna ruin my life. | |
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| | | NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working? MVM join:2003-02-18 San Jose, CA |
Re: I agree...said by Bananas9:Maybe it has not occurred to you that windows loads the IE shell script on boot, meaning that IE is already primed and ready to go. Exactly. It'd be interesting to see these tests run again, this time with firefox prefetched as well: "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" /prefetch:1 Speeds load time up for me... | |
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| DaMaGeINCThe Lan Man Premium Member join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC |
to rms01
I like IE, cause it doesent take any time to load. Ive used Firefox, and it takes a few more seconds to load. I dont like to wait, so I dont use it. | |
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I've been using Opera exclusively since version 3.6 or so. For me, its always been a reliable and fast browser. I'm not obsessed with having the absolute fastest loading browser (Although I think opera wins here). Opera has the features and layout that I've become accustomed to. (I can no longer stand to have my Address or page bars at the top of the screen)And it has run on every GUI-enabled os I've ever used (Windows 3.11-xp, Linux, OS/2 Warp, and OSX).But it is all a matter of personal preference. There is no single ultimate web browser. Like what you will, but theres no reason to insult anyone else's choice in web browsing software (Except for AOL users, they latch onto that stuff like its crack) I'm joking (kind of) KSC519 » launch.groups.yahoo.com/ ··· 9_music/ | |
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Automobili to rms01
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2005-Feb-12 9:16 pm
to rms01
I don't really care what's technically "fastest." Firefox is just a better browser in my opinion. In reality, who can really perceive such small differences in "performance?" | |
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| | DaMaGeINCThe Lan Man Premium Member join:2002-06-08 Greenville, SC |
Re: I agree...said by Automobili:
I don't really care what's technically "fastest." Firefox is just a better browser in my opinion. In reality, who can really perceive such small differences in "performance?" When 1 program takes less that 1 second to load, and another takes 3 seconds. Thats enough to "perceive". | |
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| KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ |
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i find a page with lots of pictures scrolls smoother on my laptop with IE then Firefox. even on my high end gaming box FF will scroll a forum post with many screen shots a tad jerky compaired to IE. though im sure its some setting im missing in firefox for smooth scrolling pictures. On the other hand i wont use IE for any site i have never been to before because i know FF will not accidently download some gator scumware behind my back even though i run IE on Medium-High security. | |
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| | click_310Eat my shorts join:2002-12-06 Savannah, GA |
Re: I agree...same here... Use firefox everywhere but scrolling is hard. There is a smooth scrolling extension for firefox. Never tried it though. | |
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Bobcat79
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2005-Feb-12 12:51 pm
Firefox and IEFirefox and IE are similar?? Not according to that article. It states: "Internet Explorer on Windows was either as fast as - or faster than Mozilla and Firefox for most tasks, with the exception of scripts, where it took over twice as long" (emphasis added).
Perhaps your reporting is a little biased? | |
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RDins
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2005-Feb-12 3:03 pm
Re: Firefox and IEIE blows away Firefox and Netscape both on my pc. Not even close..... | |
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dadkinsCan you do Blu? MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA |
LOL!"So overall, Opera seems to be the fastest browser for windows. Firefox is not faster than Internet Explorer, except for scripting, but for standards support, security and features, it is a better choice. However, it is still not as fast as Opera, and Opera also offers a high level of standards support, security and features."
Nuff said. | |
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| cchhat01Dr. Zoidberg join:2001-05-01 Elmhurst, NY |
Re: LOL!opera is also not free like firefox.
nuff said | |
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Chump6
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2005-Feb-12 1:02 pm
Re: LOL!there is a free version, yes it does have ads, but your statment is still false. | |
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| | dadkinsCan you do Blu? MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA |
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said by cchhat01:opera is also not free like firefox. nuff said I paid to support Opera, also to have the fastest secure browser. | |
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Re: LOL!said by dadkins:said by cchhat01:opera is also not free like firefox. nuff said I paid to support Opera, also to have the fastest secure browser. Note that Opera refuses to find a solution to the IDS exploits/scam. | |
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| | | SpitefulCrowInsert Witty Tag Here Premium Member join:2003-06-04 Berkeley, CA |
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Does Opera support third-party extensions to the browser? I don't think so. My Firefox installation (on a source-based Linux distribution (Gentoo), by the way, so installing an outdated ad-ridden binary-only browser is not something I want to do) has a whole bunch of useful and cool Extensions installed, like Sage, a lightweight RSS aggregator sidebar. Let's see a closed-source browser support things like that without having to write them into the main program itself. | |
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pnh102
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2005-Feb-12 3:34 pm
Re: LOL!said by SpitefulCrow:Does Opera support third-party extensions to the browser? I don't think so. Considering how bad most of these extensions are, that is probably a very good thing! | |
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| | | | | SpitefulCrowInsert Witty Tag Here Premium Member join:2003-06-04 Berkeley, CA |
Re: LOL!If it's a bad extension, you don't install it! | |
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pnh102
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2005-Feb-12 4:23 pm
Re: LOL!said by SpitefulCrow:If it's a bad extension, you don't install it! I know you know that. The problem is the 99% of the population that is clueless idiots who install every bad extension known to man. | |
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| | | cork1958Cork Premium Member join:2000-02-26 |
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said by dadkins:said by cchhat01:opera is also not free like firefox. nuff said I paid to support Opera, also to have the fastest secure browser. I'm with ya here on this one dadkins. Nothing wrong with paying to support good work! Those FF fanboys can send donations in so they can get a full page ad in the NY Times but not pay to support a better browser? Somethings wrong with that picture. To you people who say gmail doesn't support Opera. Why doesn't it? Sure, it says it doesn't support your browser but all that happens when you sign into gmail is it asks you if you want to sign in anyway and then works just like normal. Google/gmail isn't perfect either! | |
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Yes but those browsers security rely on the fact that very few people use those browsers so that no one cares to try to exploit them. | |
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Opera..is the fastest, and I have used all three.. But, I still prefer Firefox... Opera does not work too well when using My Yahoo, under the SBC Yahoo DSL site ( my accounts are linked ) it does not work... If it did I would use it more. | |
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algPassionately apathetic Premium Member join:2001-04-10 Houston, TX |
alg
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2005-Feb-12 1:28 pm
I'll stick with firefoxbecause I want to be able to use the same browser in both Windows and Linux.
To add to that, a browser that can be used in both that doesn't suck - such as the origianl Mozilla or Netscape. | |
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Re: I'll stick with firefoxsaid by alg:because I want to be able to use the same browser in both Windows and Linux. Because Opera is win32 only right??? Oh wait... | |
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| | algPassionately apathetic Premium Member join:2001-04-10 Houston, TX |
alg
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2005-Feb-12 1:57 pm
Re: I'll stick with firefoxsaid by Zuralin:said by alg:because I want to be able to use the same browser in both Windows and Linux. Because Opera is win32 only right??? Oh wait... I forgot to add it to the "that doesn't suck list" | |
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Re: I'll stick with firefoxway to go on contradicting yourself.. and if you use firefox ONLY because it can be used in both win32 and linux you are dumb | |
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maximus_808Proud Veteran Premium Member join:2001-08-27 Rainier, WA |
I allways thought...That Opera 8.0b1 was faster than 7.54 I just didn't realise how much. | |
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F14b0mbk4tWalmart Is 73h L337 Yo' Premium Member join:2004-11-11 Above |
Opera...The G-Mail page doesn't display correctly with Opera, Opera have alot of nice features and all but there are WAY too many controls. | |
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| click_310Eat my shorts join:2002-12-06 Savannah, GA |
Re: Opera...Thats what made me move to firefox from Opera. A while back Gmail could not be opened with Opera at all. On the other hand Firefox does a sloppy job of rendering a lot of other pages. Not that its entirely its fault. | |
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I'm an oddballI like Safari... | |
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| platinumsunPhotographer For Life join:2003-08-29 Houston, TX |
Re: I'm an oddballata boy | |
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You aren't the only one. I love Safari, but after reading this article I'm going to install Opera on my PowerBook and see how I like it. I used it on an XP box about 2 years ago and wasn't that impressed. Maybe the new version will change my mind... | |
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Firefox fanboys?I stopped using Firefox because of load times and it's overall speed being no better than IE. I'm curious as to what other reasons I should consider going back to Firefox?!? | |
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| oliphantI Have 8 Boobies Premium Member join:2004-11-26 Corona, CA |
oliphant
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2005-Feb-12 9:56 pm
Re: Firefox fanboys?Don't you want to be cool like all the other kids? You know you aren't cool if you don't run FF. | |
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CPU speedThe speed of Firefox seems to depend a lot on the speed of your CPU. On older systems i find the user interface sluggish because Firefox uses the cross-platform XUL language. Firefox is a lot better on newer PC's. But i still don't like the way Firefox renders the page before it is complete. IE is less jumpy on complicated pages. | |
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throwdownYou Drink, You Drive, You Spill Premium Member join:2002-06-15 Shelton, CT |
Gmail support?I love Opera, and I'd use it daily.. but Gmail doesn't support it. I can use POP for Gmail, I suppose... but I wish they'd support Opera! | |
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Re: Gmail support?Its known to most people now that Opera -does- support Gmail... Just download the Opera 8 version. There are some minor bugs that you will discover, but nothing that you can't live with. Enjoy Opera!!! | |
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Maven Premium Member join:2002-03-12 Canada |
Maven
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2005-Feb-12 4:03 pm
K-MeleonI'm a K-Meleon fan myself... All these other browsers are fine, but K-Meleon is customizable in every way, there's no comparison for that. | |
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bdgriff join:2003-09-03 Universal City, TX |
On the fenceOK, I straddle the Browser fence... I use BOTH IE (75%) and Firefox...I like them for different reasons, each with pros and cons. No big deal really is it???? | |
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I'd like to see a test over timeI'd like to see a test that compare the performance over time (e.g. what happens after an hour of use). There seem to be some memory leaks in a particular popular browser I'm using, that will cause progressive slowing down of the entire system. It might just be me so I won't name names, but I would like to see some kind of hard data from a systematic test. | |
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Re: I'd like to see a test over timesaid by claudeo:I'd like to see a test that compare the performance over time (e.g. what happens after an hour of use). There seem to be some memory leaks in a particular popular browser I'm using, that will cause progressive slowing down of the entire system. It might just be me so I won't name names, but I would like to see some kind of hard data from a systematic test. If you are referring to Firefox the same thing happens to me on an XP box. | |
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I installed Opera 8......And although it loads much faster, page rendering times take over two times longer. Why?
Firefox 1.0 Latest Nightly w/ Adblock + Filterset.G
Interesting if someone can tell me why Opera 8 renders so slowly for me. | |
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| thender2Glamour Profession Premium Member join:2004-05-16 Staten Island, NY |
thender2
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2005-Feb-12 9:21 pm
Re: I installed Opera 8...If you're not loading the ads, there's less to render. Thus the pages load quicker.
My theory is adblock speeds it up. | |
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2005-Feb-12 9:20 pm
I like Opera, and its speed, but..It's cookie handling just disgusts me. Deleting cookies already there and telling Opera it cannot set them again is more irritating than in Mozilla. and if I tell it to ask me about third party and normal cookies, I get far more dialogs than I do with Firefox. If I disallow third party cookies, as I do in IE and firefox, I can't even stay logged in at dmusic.com.
It may be fast, but for me it's far from the best at functionality. | |
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DaDogsSemper Vigilantis Premium Member join:2004-02-28 Deltaville, VA |
DaDogs
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2005-Feb-12 9:21 pm
Im Impressed Guys...This didn't turn into a browser jihad.
Well done people! | |
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gees6ohv
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2005-Feb-12 9:54 pm
No wonderHardware used, 800MHz Pentium 3 & 256 MB RAM?
These test are using hardware that was available before Windows 2000. I know that with my 2.53GHz processor & 512MB DDR RAM, Firefox out-performs IE anyday. | |
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Re: No wonderThe point of using a slow machine is so that differences are noticable. | |
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2005-Feb-13 12:07 am
If only...If only opera had the plugins that Firefox has I'd go back to it in an instant. Well I just want adblock really. Yeah I know you can use filters with it, but it's not as quick and easy and it leaves white blocks on the pages where the ads used to be. | |
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KHTML?What about the browsers based on KHTML? Such as Safari and Konquerer?
They're both very good browsers.
I enjoyed using Opera, but as long as there is a viable open-source alternative, I'll use that. | |
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