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Salem, OH | I agree... I use all three, and I agree with the results overall. Opera is no question the fastest, but I think Firefox is much faster than IE... | |
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join:2004-03-03
Schiller Park, IL | FIREFOX! FireFox rocks over them all!!! | |
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| Re: FIREFOX! said by DraconSlayer  :FireFox rocks over them all!!! FireFox cuts my upload speed in half  Compared to IE
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join:2004-04-20
Sparks, NV | I agree. Firefox is just so much faster than IE it's rediculous. I'll stick with Firefox! | |
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| Re: I agree... The thing that kills me about Firefox "speed", and is correctly identified in this nice article, is the cold start time. On the windows box, it took Firefox over twenty seconds to load the first time, vs. only 7 seconds for internet explorer.
I rarely notice rendering and script execution speed issues. I notice the load times more than anything else.
It does not surprise me at all that Opera is the speed demon of the group. It was extremely apparent how efficient their engine was a few years back when I was working with PDAs. Pocket IE on a Pocket PC was so slow, it was practically nearly useless with most real web pages, where Opera was able to render pages quite nicely on the Zaurus, despite it being a slower PDA. Unfortnately there aren't enough advantages and too many compatibility disadvantages for me to use it for my desktop.
At least the web standards are finally making it possible to create decent pages that work on all the browers. The popularity of third party browsers on a Windows is a great thing towards making the internet as a whole browser agnostic. It was a nightmare making nice sites that were compatible with IE 4 and Netscape 4. 
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Are you referring to the Java BBR speed tests? That's not really a browser issue but a Java JVM issue. You are probably using the Microsoft JVM under IE, which I have also noticed results in better speed tests. But, those are just tests. It's extremely rare in real everyday use that you would be uploading something using a java applet as the speed tests do.
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The thing that kills me about Firefox "speed", and is correctly identified in this nice article, is the cold start time. On the windows box, it took Firefox over twenty seconds to load the first time, vs. only 7 seconds for internet explorer.
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Windows XP Pro
Athlon 1600+
512MB of DDR 2100
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The homepage for both is »www.google.com
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join:2004-08-18
Santa Barbara, CA
| Maybe it has not occurred to you that windows loads the IE shell script on boot, meaning that IE is already primed and ready to go. Of course you would get faster start times if half of it is already running in the background. But what price for speed and what price for security? Me, i choose security and waiting a few more seconds aint gonna ruin my life. | |
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Nerdtalker
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Tucson, AZ
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| Re: I agree... said by Bananas :Maybe it has not occurred to you that windows loads the IE shell script on boot, meaning that IE is already primed and ready to go. Exactly.
It'd be interesting to see these tests run again, this time with firefox prefetched as well:
"C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" /prefetch:1
Speeds load time up for me...
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clubs: | I like IE, cause it doesent take any time to load. Ive used Firefox, and it takes a few more seconds to load. I dont like to wait, so I dont use it. | |
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join:2002-03-14
Chicago, IL
·Vonage
| I've been using Opera exclusively since version 3.6 or so. For me, its always been a reliable and fast browser. I'm not obsessed with having the absolute fastest loading browser (Although I think opera wins here). Opera has the features and layout that I've become accustomed to. (I can no longer stand to have my Address or page bars at the top of the screen)And it has run on every GUI-enabled os I've ever used (Windows 3.11-xp, Linux, OS/2 Warp, and OSX).But it is all a matter of personal preference. There is no single ultimate web browser. Like what you will, but theres no reason to insult anyone else's choice in web browsing software (Except for AOL users, they latch onto that stuff like its crack)
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I don't really care what's technically "fastest." Firefox is just a better browser in my opinion. In reality, who can really perceive such small differences in "performance?"
When 1 program takes less that 1 second to load, and another takes 3 seconds. Thats enough to "perceive".
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join:2002-01-22
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| i find a page with lots of pictures scrolls smoother on my laptop with IE then Firefox. even on my high end gaming box FF will scroll a forum post with many screen shots a tad jerky compaired to IE. though im sure its some setting im missing in firefox for smooth scrolling pictures. On the other hand i wont use IE for any site i have never been to before because i know FF will not accidently download some gator scumware behind my back even though i run IE on Medium-High security.
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click_310
Eat my shorts
join:2002-12-06
Savannah, GA | Re: I agree... same here... Use firefox everywhere but scrolling is hard. There is a smooth scrolling extension for firefox. Never tried it though. | |
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| Firefox and IE Firefox and IE are similar?? Not according to that article. It states: "Internet Explorer on Windows was either as fast as - or faster than Mozilla and Firefox for most tasks, with the exception of scripts, where it took over twice as long" (emphasis added).
Perhaps your reporting is a little biased?
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dadkins
Land of Confusion
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| LOL! "So overall, Opera seems to be the fastest browser for windows. Firefox is not faster than Internet Explorer, except for scripting, but for standards support, security and features, it is a better choice. However, it is still not as fast as Opera, and Opera also offers a high level of standards support, security and features."
Nuff said.
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The Guru
join:2001-05-01
Elmhurst, NY | Re: LOL! opera is also not free like firefox.
nuff said | |
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Hercules, CA
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| said by cchhat01 :opera is also not free like firefox. nuff said I paid to support Opera, also to have the fastest secure browser. 
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Evilly Yours - Evilness
join:2001-12-24
Canada
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| Re: LOL! said by dadkins : said by cchhat01 :opera is also not free like firefox. nuff said I paid to support Opera, also to have the fastest secure browser. Note that Opera refuses to find a solution to the IDS exploits/scam.
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SpitefulCrow
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join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA
| Does Opera support third-party extensions to the browser?
I don't think so.
My Firefox installation (on a source-based Linux distribution (Gentoo), by the way, so installing an outdated ad-ridden binary-only browser is not something I want to do) has a whole bunch of useful and cool Extensions installed, like Sage, a lightweight RSS aggregator sidebar. Let's see a closed-source browser support things like that without having to write them into the main program itself.
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| Re: LOL! said by SpitefulCrow :Does Opera support third-party extensions to the browser? I don't think so. Considering how bad most of these extensions are, that is probably a very good thing!
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| Re: LOL! said by SpitefulCrow :If it's a bad extension, you don't install it! I know you know that. The problem is the 99% of the population that is clueless idiots who install every bad extension known to man.
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cork1958
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Fruitport, MI
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| said by dadkins : said by cchhat01 :opera is also not free like firefox. nuff said I paid to support Opera, also to have the fastest secure browser. I'm with ya here on this one dadkins. Nothing wrong with paying to support good work! Those FF fanboys can send donations in so they can get a full page ad in the NY Times but not pay to support a better browser? Somethings wrong with that picture.
To you people who say gmail doesn't support Opera. Why doesn't it? Sure, it says it doesn't support your browser but all that happens when you sign into gmail is it asks you if you want to sign in anyway and then works just like normal. Google/gmail isn't perfect either!
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Yes but those browsers security rely on the fact that very few people use those browsers so that no one cares to try to exploit them. | |
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cooperaaaron
join:2004-04-10
Rockford, IL | Opera.. is the fastest, and I have used all three.. But, I still prefer Firefox... Opera does not work too well when using My Yahoo, under the SBC Yahoo DSL site ( my accounts are linked ) it does not work... If it did I would use it more. | |
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join:2001-08-09
Buffalo, NY
| Re: I'll stick with firefox said by alg :because I want to be able to use the same browser in both Windows and Linux. Because Opera is win32 only right??? Oh wait... | |
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join:2001-08-09
Buffalo, NY | Re: I'll stick with firefox way to go on contradicting yourself.. and if you use firefox ONLY because it can be used in both win32 and linux you are dumb | |
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maximus_808
Proud Veteran
Premium
join:2001-08-27
Green Cove Springs, FL
clubs: | I allways thought... That Opera 8.0b1 was faster than 7.54 I just didn't realise how much. | |
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join:2004-11-11
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click_310
Eat my shorts
join:2002-12-06
Savannah, GA | Re: Opera... Thats what made me move to firefox from Opera. A while back Gmail could not be opened with Opera at all.
On the other hand Firefox does a sloppy job of rendering a lot of other pages. Not that its entirely its fault. | |
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DarnellP
join:2004-10-12
Las Vegas, NV | I'm an oddball I like Safari...  | |
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platinumsun
Photographer For Life
join:2003-08-29
Spring, TX | Re: I'm an oddball ata boy | |
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join:2004-04-06
Johnson City, TN
| said by DarnellP :I like Safari... You aren't the only one. I love Safari, but after reading this article I'm going to install Opera on my PowerBook and see how I like it. I used it on an XP box about 2 years ago and wasn't that impressed. Maybe the new version will change my mind... | |
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Chodite
join:2003-08-21 | Firefox fanboys? I stopped using Firefox because of load times and it's overall speed being no better than IE. I'm curious as to what other reasons I should consider going back to Firefox?!? | |
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oliphant
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| Re: Firefox fanboys? Don't you want to be cool like all the other kids? You know you aren't cool if you don't run FF. 
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reflex9
join:2004-02-09
| CPU speed The speed of Firefox seems to depend a lot on the speed of your CPU. On older systems i find the user interface sluggish because Firefox uses the cross-platform XUL language. Firefox is a lot better on newer PC's. But i still don't like the way Firefox renders the page before it is complete. IE is less jumpy on complicated pages. | |
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throwdown
You Drink, You Drive, You Spill
Premium
join:2002-06-15
Shelton, CT | Gmail support? I love Opera, and I'd use it daily.. but Gmail doesn't support it. I can use POP for Gmail, I suppose... but I wish they'd support Opera! | |
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join:2005-02-15 | Re: Gmail support? Its known to most people now that Opera -does- support Gmail... Just download the Opera 8 version. There are some minor bugs that you will discover, but nothing that you can't live with. Enjoy Opera!!! | |
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Maven
Premium
join:2002-03-12
Canada | K-Meleon I'm a K-Meleon fan myself... All these other browsers are fine, but K-Meleon is customizable in every way, there's no comparison for that. | |
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bdgriff
join:2003-09-03
Universal City, TX | On the fence OK, I straddle the Browser fence... I use BOTH IE (75%) and Firefox...I like them for different reasons, each with pros and cons. No big deal really is it???? | |
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claudeo
join:2000-02-23
Redmond, WA
| I'd like to see a test over time I'd like to see a test that compare the performance over time (e.g. what happens after an hour of use). There seem to be some memory leaks in a particular popular browser I'm using, that will cause progressive slowing down of the entire system. It might just be me so I won't name names, but I would like to see some kind of hard data from a systematic test. | |
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join:2004-04-06
Johnson City, TN
| Re: I'd like to see a test over time said by claudeo :I'd like to see a test that compare the performance over time (e.g. what happens after an hour of use). There seem to be some memory leaks in a particular popular browser I'm using, that will cause progressive slowing down of the entire system. It might just be me so I won't name names, but I would like to see some kind of hard data from a systematic test. If you are referring to Firefox the same thing happens to me on an XP box. | |
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Tsume
BOBBARR2008 .COM
join:2004-02-23
Winter Park, FL
·ViaTalk
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| I installed Opera 8... ...And although it loads much faster, page rendering times take over two times longer. Why?
Firefox 1.0 Latest Nightly w/ Adblock + Filterset.G
Interesting if someone can tell me why Opera 8 renders so slowly for me.
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thender
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY | Re: I installed Opera 8... If you're not loading the ads, there's less to render. Thus the pages load quicker.
My theory is adblock speeds it up. | |
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thender
Glamour Profession
Premium
join:2004-05-16
Staten Island, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| I like Opera, and its speed, but.. It's cookie handling just disgusts me. Deleting cookies already there and telling Opera it cannot set them again is more irritating than in Mozilla. and if I tell it to ask me about third party and normal cookies, I get far more dialogs than I do with Firefox. If I disallow third party cookies, as I do in IE and firefox, I can't even stay logged in at dmusic.com.
It may be fast, but for me it's far from the best at functionality.
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA | Im Impressed Guys... This didn't turn into a browser jihad.
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bcerhart
Premium
join:2004-07-29
Brea, CA | No wonder Hardware used, 800MHz Pentium 3 & 256 MB RAM?
These test are using hardware that was available before Windows 2000. I know that with my 2.53GHz processor & 512MB DDR RAM, Firefox out-performs IE anyday. | |
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Viper007Bond
Premium
join:2002-09-26
Portland, OR | Re: No wonder The point of using a slow machine is so that differences are noticable. | |
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Speedy8
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join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
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| If only... If only opera had the plugins that Firefox has I'd go back to it in an instant. Well I just want adblock really. Yeah I know you can use filters with it, but it's not as quick and easy and it leaves white blocks on the pages where the ads used to be. | |
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Jonny_eh
join:2004-10-12
Nepean, ON | KHTML? What about the browsers based on KHTML? Such as Safari and Konquerer?
They're both very good browsers.
I enjoyed using Opera, but as long as there is a viable open-source alternative, I'll use that. | |
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illJazz
I don't need a posting tag
Premium
join:2002-09-04
Boston, MA | Re: KHTML? Go Opera!!
So glad my favorite browser got gold | |
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join:2003-09-25
Greenville, SC | Opera
The Fastests n Safest Browser
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join:2005-02-15
Levittown, PA
| Re: KHTML? can't believe i see people advocateing IE here, ever hear of spyware/malware? IE is the most spware prone browser out there
Notice he didn't include Netscape 7.2 also, it seems to perform the best for me over Firefox. although i haven't tried Opera yet, but been meaning to. | |
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I don't need a posting tag
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join:2002-09-04
Boston, MA
| I'm not advocating IE. I think it's awesome MS is picking up development on it again though. being that it still the most widely used browser on Earth it desperately needs improvements and additions in functionality. I'd be very curious to see an IE 7.0 .
However, I'm a die-hard Opera user, and have been for years, so that's my browser of choice. I never use IE. Only Opera and Firefox.
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