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Goinginsane
join:2000-09-02
Three Rivers, MA | Anti-Spyware Group Collapses Well, this is what we all expected now isnt it. Looks like people are smarting up to this spyware problem, a little bit anyway.
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hpguru
Curb Your Dogma
Premium
join:2002-04-12
| Re: Anti-Spyware Group Collapses I note they have failed to update their member list. PestPatrol, Aluria and Webroot are still listed as members.
»www.coast-info.org/members.htm
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MalakoPlus
join:2005-01-17
l165h3
1 edit | as long As long as scumware stays in the grey area between a computer virus and a "marketing tool" then groups like this COAST are a sham, something to make these morons look more reputable.
We need to lump these programs in with virii and be done with it, no grey area. | |
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| AquaBlaze
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| Re: as long All spy/crapware is just that...virii, but with a EULA. Due to the (sometimes hidden) advertising blurbette, this junk is suddenly legal, and the developing companies come out swinging with lawyers.
I think a group like COAST would be viable...but common sense should be applied to the application process. (ie. don't elect known crapware vendors TO your group membership) If they kept this group clean that way...then it might have some viability to it. | |
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AtomicZero
join:2004-11-24
West Palm Beach, FL
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| Re: as long said by AquaBlaze  :All spy/crapware is just that...virii, but with a EULA. Due to the (sometimes hidden) advertising blurbette, this junk is suddenly legal, and the developing companies come out swinging with lawyers. I think a group like COAST would be viable...but common sense should be applied to the application process. (ie. don't elect known crapware vendors TO your group membership) If they kept this group clean that way...then it might have some viability to it. It just the same like the MCI story...it's about finding a loophole in the legality, then make a couple mil in the process. | |
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technick
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| Help Me Understand How and Why did 180Solutions get accepted into COAST? That is kind of like having a anti-terrorism organization, and putting Bin Laden on the board of directors. WTF guys, that is sooo freaking retarded. I wonder what type of people actually run these groups now.
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join:2000-03-30
Colorado Springs, CO | Re: Help Me Understand Yep, mammon is always pretty inticing. | |
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footballdude
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| said by technick :How and Why did 180Solutions get accepted into COAST? That is kind of like having a anti-terrorism organization, and putting Bin Laden on the board of directors. Or like putting Sudan on the panel for human rights. Oh, wait, that really happened. | |
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ScottMo
Premium,MVM
join:2000-12-15
Stony Brook, NY
| According to the press release:
"180solutions has passed a lengthy and rigorous review process
demonstrating their commitment to develop and distribute spyware-free
applications," said Trey Barnes, executive director of COAST. "By making
substantial modifications to its software, and working with channel partners
to distribute only the modified versions of its products in the future, the
company has demonstrated its desire to adhere to COAST's high level of
standards. We are pleased to welcome them as a new developer member."
So it appears that 180 wants to do a 180 and not crap-up people's computers. Personally, I have a difficult time believing them. | |
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Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| Re: Help Me Understand Somehow this entire 180 turnaround on crapware installs reminds me of the "I Can Change" song, from the South Park movie.
Sorry, but I really have a hard time trusting a company who one day was focused on crapping up my computer, and the next "trying" to safeguard it.  | |
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Reidster
@206.169.x.x
| Have any of you actually taken the time to understand the difference between spyware and legitimate software? Or do you all just sit here and rant about things you don't understand and have never actually investigated yourselves? Spyware sucks - and COAST was helping rid the world of it by actually creating definitions and standards for what really is spyware. Use your brains before you start ranting about stuff you don't understand. COAST was a legit organization that added real value to the world and had very high standards. A little education never hurt anyone. But I guess none of you would know that. | |
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD | Re: Help Me Understand It really doesn't take a lot of time. It's pretty simple. I know it when I see it, and so do you. Call it "adware" instead of "spyware", if you like; it makes no difference. It's junkware, and it doesn't belong on my computer. | |
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| | bedelman
Premium
join:2004-06-20
Cambridge, MA
| "definitions" -- but see 180's current practices Reidster, it's all well and good to defend the need for definitions and standards. Who can argue with that?
But the problems here don't step from COAST's creation of definitions and standards.
Some of the problems:
1) Certifying a known bad actor, that has been documented to profit from a number of deceptive installation methods. See e.g. my web site showing installation through security holes ( »www.benedelman.org/news/111804-1.html )
2) Accepting payment for such certification.
3) Issuing certification, and allowing such certificiation to be publicized, even before improved/reformed procedures begin to be implemented, such that the public (and even COAST members) have slim to no basis on which to assess the correctness of the certification.
(Special notes on my web site: It's down, at present, due to a major DDoS attack. Will be back up tomorrow, I hope/expect.) | |
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| | BIGHUSKER
join:2002-01-20
Minneapolis, MN
| BEWARE, Reidster is from 180Solutions!! said by Reidster:
Have any of you actually taken the time to understand the difference between spyware and legitimate software? Or do you all just sit here and rant about things you don't understand and have never actually investigated yourselves? Spyware sucks - and COAST was helping rid the world of it by actually creating definitions and standards for what really is spyware. Use your brains before you start ranting about stuff you don't understand. COAST was a legit organization that added real value to the world and had very high standards. A little education never hurt anyone. But I guess none of you would know that.
Nice try 180 shill, but your scumbag identity has been found out - »/whois/206.169.156.1
Your piece of crap company does not offer legitimate software, and I remove it from *every* computer I have access to. It spies on your browsing habits and forces unwanted ads onto your system...that's all there is to it. The only reason it ever gets installed is because it comes bundled with software or people don't know what they're getting into when they click the "Yes I want to install this!" button.
I know more about spyware and computer security then you could ever hope to. Go back to your minimum wage job as a scumbag shill for 180Solutions. You are completely worthless. | |
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Safron
join:2001-07-25
Gray, GA
clubs: | Funny This is the first time I have seen rats stay on a sinking ship! | |
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wantmorespyware
@rr.com | Re: Stick with FREEWARE programs Did u even read the article juilinsandar? | |
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Goldman
join:2002-06-21
Maumelle, AR | Aluria Aluria could have stayed with COAST. They have taken payoffs from whenU, which is the same thing coast has done with 180. Now they pretend to be offended. Ridiculous. | |
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SubTexel
Keyboard Commando
join:2003-11-20
Hampton, VA
| Re: Aluria Membership in COAST in and of itself does not imply or expressly guarantee that the Member product or service is, or in the future will be, spyware free. COAST is developing and will soon offer a Spyware Free Certification for this purpose. Membership is open to any software developer who agrees to work with the Consortium to comply with our standards. This includes correcting any out of guideline practices within given timeframes, and an ongoing commitment to abide by the COAST principles. Well, at least they put a disclaimer up. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
 ·Qwest.net
2 edits | A question of definitions There is no question about what goes in the milk cow, the questions only start when that which went in emerges at the other. Some people with a vested interest look at it as fertilizer, others who are sick an tired of it look at it as cow crap.
(P.S. doesn't this Jersey have a beautiful back line and a nice rectangular shape)
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boogi man
join:2001-11-13
Apo, AE
clubs:  | HAHA its all just a big joke to them i wonder how many of them actually use their PC versus having a shiney paperweight | |
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Holyearth
I Like This Forum
join:2002-07-18
Atlanta, GA | Re: HAHA www.casacertified.org | |
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MastaVR6
@198.181.x.x | Coast dissolving Like Cuba (and several others) on the Human Rights Commitee in the U.N. | |
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Stick with FREEWARE programs