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| Re: See said by Doci  :Corporations are out there in best interest of the consumer. Pathetic. Welcome to Jesusland my friend!  | |
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Octopussy2
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| Re: See Instead it was spent defeating our referendums here in the Tri-Cities. I'm here to tell you that I am pretty sure those figures don't include all they spent either....
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Taneytown, MD | Don't forget the politicians. Their acceptance of the money and their vote certainly isn't the best interest of the consumer.
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Fleeting | Links The links to the Illinois election data are a little odd. I find you get a 404 at first, but the info comes up if you then refresh. | |
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Chatham, IL
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| Re: Links said by Minister :The links to the Illinois election data are a little odd. I find you get a 404 at first, but the info comes up if you then refresh. State of Illinois servers what do you expect? And they are probably running on a great SBC connection.:) Actually they may be using fiber themselves. If they are located in the city of Springfield ( the state capital ). Our city has tons of fiber running around for city and state use. Which is run by the local city owned electric company. »www.cwlp.com/Electric_division/f···tion.htm
About a mile or half mile around the corner from my home. We have an intersection where they used this fiber to light up turn lanes for one of our busiest intersections. But do you think they will provide me with broadband? Nope. They want their yearly fees they get from Insight Communications and SBC. The study they did a few years ago. Stated that it would be to expensive to start a city provided broadband initiative. Our new mayor doesn't even seem to care or have a clue about the subject honestly. Probably because his home is hooked to the city fiber network. lol.
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coastdweller4
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join:2002-01-29
Modesto, CA
| In-Kind Contributions I suppose this could mean advertising on their own cable network? Or?
IN-KIND CONTRIBUTIONS are defined under federal guidelines as "contributions other than cash." While they usually add real value to a project, they do not require an actual cash outlay. Some examples of in-kind contributions are lecturer replacement, indirect costs not charged to the sponsor, third-party contributions, and donated labor, materials, and services. | |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| Only registered voters ...should be permitted to contribute money to political campaigns or buy political advertising. Business has no vote in elections thus has no business manipulating it. Business as an entity shouldn't have Constitutional protections. If the employees or owners should want to no problem, but they should only do so as individuals and with monetary limitations. Same goes for unions and other lobbying groups. It's all the same brand of corruption.
Sure, some of my Conservative bretheren say that politics affects business to so why should they have a say? I say it affects felons and children to and they can't vote either. It affects illegal aliens and other non-citizens too and they can't vote (yet anyway, give California a few months to correct this oversight). So with me anyway I don't buy that arguement.
Perhaps when the money is removed will the system begin to serve the public it's supposed to.
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wallyghs
Who Needs Sanity?
join:2001-09-13
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| Re: Only registered voters Business has and will continue to run government from here on out. Campaigns are controlled by the two major parties and business contributors. Legislation is lobbied for by the industries. Welcome to America.
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Corona, CA | Re: Only registered voters It's not just business, but you could insert any special interest group in there.
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Fairborn, OH | Re: Only registered voters Agreed, however most special interest groups rely on business of some sort for funding.
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needforspeed59
Cruise Ship Just Passing Through
join:2001-05-02
Glendale, AZ
| Imagine Your Business Competing with the Governmen Imagine you wake up tomorrow and your business (insert name of business) is in direct competition with the city government. Your company has to make a profit in order to get investors to send more money. The city is non-profit. Only trying not loose money. The city comes in and undercuts the for profit business and soon your company must cut prices and reduce profits. Or, they cut costs to maintain profits and begin laying off workers. Or, they simply shrivel up and die. No company is going to stand by idly. They will do what it takes to survive and that includes trying to turn public opinion.
I am only trying to put a different perspective on this issue. First it's telecom. What's next? I have put 20+ years in with a company. I do not wish to see government get into the private sector even if it means saving me a few bucks on my cable or Internet bill. I think that is very short sited. But, this is just my opinion. Let the flames begin. LOL!
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Miami, FL
| Re: Imagine Your Business Competing with the Governmen If those telco's would have kept up with customer demands, then they woulden't be in this pickle now would they? 
Only service available to me is HellSouth ADSL... which they just recently upgraded to the super omg mega fast 3mb down! OMG 3mb DOWN I CAN DIE HAPPY!!! you see? its pathetic what some of these telcos try to shove down our throat
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| Re: Imagine Your Business Competing with the Gover at least your taxes will go to something you can use, instead of being wasted on corporate welfare for companies like SBC and comcast
they get big tax breaks and grants from tax dollars, then (SBC and others) lay off workers and ship services overseas
at least local municipal services mean local jobs, rather than filling the coffers of the headquarters of some corporation 15 states over
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needforspeed59
Cruise Ship Just Passing Through
join:2001-05-02
Glendale, AZ
| Re: Imagine Your Business Competing with the Gover said by some guy:
at least your taxes will go to something you can use, instead of being wasted on corporate welfare for companies like SBC and comcast
they get big tax breaks and grants from tax dollars, then (SBC and others) lay off workers and ship services overseas
at least local municipal services mean local jobs, rather than filling the coffers of the headquarters of some corporation 15 states over
your argument falls on its face after the word "imagine"
Please site examples of what you mean by corp welfare that SBC or Comcast have received.
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Batavia, IL | Re: Imagine Your Business Competing with the Gover That is beautiful!!! Great example!
And that was all tied to that disgusting legislation in PA. Yuck!
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join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
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| Re: Imagine Your Business Competing with the Governmen said by needforspeed59 :I am only trying to put a different perspective on this issue. First it's telecom. What's next? I have put 20+ years in with a company. I do not wish to see government get into the private sector even if it means saving me a few bucks on my cable or Internet bill. I think that is very short sited. But, this is just my opinion. Let the flames begin. LOL! You raise a valid point. The debate hinges on what each of us think the proper role of government is.
On the one had we have the highway and airline infrastructure model with public ownership of commodity infrastructure and private industry using that infrastructure to develop and offer a myriad of products.
One the other hand we had "pure play" private ownership model of the first-mile. In that case it is up to private enterprise to invest and build the access network. Having build it they have a fiduciary responsibly to maximize profit. They will do that by virtue of owning a very valuable and scarce resource develop a vertically integrated business model. This allows the owner of the first-mile access network to dictate how the network will be used.
The difficulty encouraging first-mile competition is cost is high compared to potential profit. No matter how you slice and dice it there are not going to be many players in the wired access network. Wireless is a little different in that capital cost are lower compared to revenue but it faces other technical challenges, such as bandwidth and antenna placement. The problem is limited to the first-mile access network. Cost vs revenue opportunity for the Interexchange carriers promotes health competition.
We are faced with a choice. Do we build the access network as a public commons, open to all or do we privatize it allowing a few, with the resources needed to build it, dictate the future of the Internet?
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Lake Forest, IL
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| You make a valid point - the only problem is that the areas that are trying to make the investment are being ignored by the incumbents to begin with. It is only when they are looking to do it themselves that the Telcos and Cablecos notice, and then only to invest the dollars to make them fail, not to provide the services to the towns to begin with.
said by needforspeed59 :Imagine you wake up tomorrow and your business (insert name of business) is in direct competition with the city government. Your company has to make a profit in order to get investors to send more money. The city is non-profit. Only trying not loose money. The city comes in and undercuts the for profit business and soon your company must cut prices and reduce profits. Or, they cut costs to maintain profits and begin laying off workers. Or, they simply shrivel up and die. No company is going to stand by idly. They will do what it takes to survive and that includes trying to turn public opinion. I am only trying to put a different perspective on this issue. First it's telecom. What's next? I have put 20+ years in with a company. I do not wish to see government get into the private sector even if it means saving me a few bucks on my cable or Internet bill. I think that is very short sited. But, this is just my opinion. Let the flames begin. LOL! | |
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Tzale
Ron Paul 2008 - Proud Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
NJ, USA
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| Amerika ist wunderbar! We live in a free country. No matter how much I hate it when big evil corporations hurt the little guy like this, we can't stop them. This is a free country where if you have money, you are king.
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Octopussy2
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join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL
| Re: Amerika ist wunderbar! I actually just got new, updated numbers on how much SBC spent against Fiber For Our Future....they amended their first filing. They are up to $209,212.04 at this point. Seems they forgot some pesky phone calls totalling over $16K.
Comcast, on the other hand, is puzzling me. They are claiming in-kind contributions in the $89K area. Yet only claiming one expenditure (donation) in the amt. of $3,000 to the St. Charles Jaycees. How can that be? Well, it can't. They didn't get everything donated to them, I'll tell ya that. Do they expect us to believe the local papers donated all the ads that Comcast placed? How about all the mailers they sent out? SBC paid the same vendor Comcast used....Hmmmmm. Interesting, and I think it warrants some looking into.
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jimbo2150
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Youngstown, OH
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| Where is the FCC? Where is the FCC when you need them. They are so quick to jump on stating that a poorly-tested technology should be used as a main broadband medium (BPL), the were even quicker to give the telcos their regulations to block out other companies from useing their lines... but when it comes to what the people want, its nothing short of stalled!
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