Bit Torrent Whack a Mole - MPAA crackdown led to trading boom?

Bit Torrent Whack a Mole
MPAA crackdown led to trading boom?
(old news - 01:13PM Tuesday Feb 01 2005)
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Slyck has a report and several graphs indicating that Bit Torrent file trading has not been impacted by the recent MPAA crackdown, and still dominates other p2p apps. The CEO of Big Champagne, a company that tracks p2p trends, argues there has actually been a growth in Bit Torrent trading thanks to the publicity it received from the MPAA assault.

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It is reverse psychology!

If you don't wany people to do something, don't go BROADCASTING what you should and should not do. Look @ napster and the metallica debate! Napster died due to it, but planted the seeds of future p2p applications! Way to go MPAA! Sue away and see what happens!

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permalink · 2005-02-01 12:59:39 · Print ·

CoxCable4 Temp banned from BBR more then anyone join:2002-10-02 PwnZone ·RoadRunner Cable	Re: It is reverse psychology! I just think the mpaa & riaa are stupid for trying to fight the internet rather then embracing it. watch what happends if they decide to host/support a pay-to-download good internet movie system without time restrictions. their greed is coming back to bite them.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 14:30:08 ·

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When Napster was shut down, I was working for a certain major copy/printing chain. We had a HUGE library of songs that we shared on Napster. Around 3000 I believe. Keep in mind, this was long before the RIAA started going after major corporations, so we didn't care about the legality of it all. When we found out Napster was going down, everyone in the store bought hundreds of blank cd's and we downloaded and copied music 24/7 until the last minutes of Napster's life. You should have seen the traffic logs on the little node we had running then. People were downloading from us like crazy during that last week. Hence the phrase, ". . . like it's going out of style."

Keep up the threats, and people will make sure they bleed it for all it's worth. Way to go **AA!!! You just created a monster.

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Re: It is reverse psychology!

said by raydog1

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When Napster was shut down, I was working for a certain major copy/printing chain. We had a HUGE library of songs that we shared on Napster. Around 3000 I believe. Keep in mind, this was long before the RIAA started going after major corporations, so we didn't care about the legality of it all. When we found out Napster was going down, everyone in the store bought hundreds of blank cd's and we downloaded and copied music 24/7 until the last minutes of Napster's life. You should have seen the traffic logs on the little node we had running then. People were downloading from us like crazy during that last week. Hence the phrase, ". . . like it's going out of style."

Keep up the threats, and people will make sure they bleed it for all it's worth. Way to go **AA!!! You just created a monster.

And It's name is: Frankenstein....

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Secretly, the MPAA likes this

Finding and busting people trading through Bit Torrent seems really easy for the MPAA to do. If these lawsuits are successful, it could be a good source of income for the MPAA. So, the more people trading movies, the bigger the potential source of income. They'll just keep suing people while publicly saying how they hope to negatively impact file sharing, but secretly they hope more people share to keep the money coming in.

This applies to the RIAA too.
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permalink · 2005-02-01 13:06:50 · Print ·

russotto join:2000-10-05 Collegeville, PA	Re: Secretly, the MPAA likes this Nope, the MPAA can't help but lose money on the lawsuits. They're suing people who are worth less in total than the MPAA pays their lawyers for the case.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 13:15:42 ·

stet Volitar Prime join:2002-03-08 Warren, MI	Re: Secretly, the MPAA likes this They can include their legal fees in the lawsuit. It's the same thing that DirecTV was doing against people pirating their signal with hacked cards. -- I am of the stars. I am called "Forever". Eternity courses through my veins.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 14:03:35 ·

JofCore join:2004-09-15 Sebewaing, MI	Re: Secretly, the MPAA likes this But what happens when they sue someone that's doesn't have the money to pay them? Or the means to acquire said money? What about someone that's already going bankrupt? Not much you can bleed from a stone...
	permalink · 2005-02-01 16:26:35 ·

stet Volitar Prime join:2002-03-08 Warren, MI	Re: Secretly, the MPAA likes this The court would garner your wages until your fine is paid. And bankruptcy may not clear you of your legal fines like it could other depts. -- I am of the stars. I am called "Forever". Eternity courses through my veins.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 16:54:28 ·

Spore Cloud I H8 Computers join:2001-09-09 Burleson, TX	Re: Secretly, the MPAA likes this The point JofCore is trying to make to you is that even if their wages were garnered for their entire lives, it STILL wouldnt be enough to cover the costs of all the lawyers they use. There is no profitability.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 17:52:47 ·

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Exactly...these court suits are more for scare tactics than revenue.

Say I SOMEHOW got the courts to order you to pay me 100 trillion dollars...it doesn't mean that I'm that much richer. Many of the plantiffs on the RIAA/MPAA hunts are in such circumstances, where the full fine amounts could very well equal the family income for years to come.

Why do you think you've never seen any taken all the way to a jury? The customer doesn't want to risk it, nor does the media agency want the legal bother of pursecuting Joe Schmoe of his last nickel & dime. All the RIAA/MPAA wants is someone to hang, to exemplify them to all the other pirates that, "Thou Shall Not Steal".

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MalakoPlus join:2005-01-17 l165h3	I don't think they are suing specific people jsut their IP addressed. Thats why they wanted the ISP's to reveal identities. IT would be interesting to see how they are going to collect money from a number.
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wasanon join:2005-01-18 Madison, WI	I recall that the MPAA and RIAA are supposedly required or volunteering to turn over the funds they collect to the author or owner of the copywrited materials (IF, and only IF, the copywrite owner applies to receive them.). In theory these actions should not become a profit source for them, but instead for the copywrite owners.
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BonezX Basement Dweller Premium join:2004-04-13 Canada	Re: Secretly, the MPAA likes this said by wasanon : IF, and only IF, the copywrite owner applies to receive them. there's prolly millions of peices of paperwork, not to mention there could be some sort of pay decrease because of getting the settlement money.
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stet Volitar Prime join:2002-03-08 Warren, MI	The MPAA and RIAA are the copyright holders!
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fundamentalz The Basics Premium join:2004-04-30 Moorpark, CA	Re: Secretly, the MPAA likes this actually they aren't, they are just representing the owners of the copyright
	permalink · 2005-02-01 14:30:59 ·

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ahmmm... let's get this point a bit clearer.

As I understand it they are SELF APPOINTED to represent the copywrite owners.

Just because Ted and Alice asked them to represent them does not mean that they also represent Bob and George and Larry whom know nothing about this.

I also recall reading that the MPAA and RIAA make no attempts to contact these copywrite holders that they HAVE collected money for and let them know the funds are available. It's up to the copywrite holder to somehow magically know that monies are waiting for them should they apply.

Where is there any clear authorization for them to wield this power? A large portion of the copywrite holders they claim to be representing neither know they are being represented nor know that they may go to these organizations to take possession of the funds they have collected in their name.

Dirty... scummy... slimy... slanted. There is a deeper agenda driving this. Follow the money.

I call for honesty and due process on this matter. Full and open reporting of fund collected and on behalf of whom. Full information to be provided to the copywrite owners in a timely manner. For them to do less is in my opinion immoral, unethical, and criminal.

I'll probably get sued now... despite not even owning a stereo.

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Re: Secretly, the MPAA likes this

said by wasanon

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ahmmm... let's get this point a bit clearer.

I also recall reading that the MPAA and RIAA make no attempts to contact these copywrite holders that they HAVE collected money for and let them know the funds are available. It's up to the copywrite holder to somehow magically know that monies are waiting for them should they apply.

Well sort of, i'm not a lawyer, but i think that what happens is that the artists sign up with the big labels, who are part of the RIAA, and movie studios go to MPAA. Now for the Artists, it is probably in their contract somewhere that they agree to allow the RIAA to pursue anyone that infringes upon the copyright.

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I also recall reading that the MPAA and RIAA make no attempts to contact these copywrite holders that they HAVE collected money for and let them know the funds are available. It's up to the copywrite holder to somehow magically know that monies are waiting for them should they apply.

Seeing as they haven't actually won any CI cases, i don't think that they have to pay any money to the artists. Everyone settles out of court, and while the artists may be entitled to the settlements, the process that they have to go through is probably not worth the few bucks they would get ($5000 / 500 different artists)

permalink · 2005-02-01 16:13:07 · Print ·

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I wasn't aware that monies collected in via court action were any less to compensate the copywrite holders than monies agree to be paid to avoid court action.

We need to locate an authority here. I don't mean a lawyer either. I mean someone that knows what's happening to these funds. Too much speculation and I would really like to know the facts. ARE the copywrite holders receiving them, and if not then why not, and whom is?

Oh... wait a minute... this is the internet.... all facts will be obfuscated, misconstrued, and mis-representation will run rampant. We'll never really know.

Certainly wish we could though.

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I wasn't aware that monies collected in via court action were any less to compensate the copywrite holders than monies agree to be paid to avoid court action.

Keep in mind, these "court actions" never actually go to a penalty phase. RIAA/MPAA are quick to settle with the scared-shatless defendant(s) for fractions of a penny on the dollar of said "damages" so they can have another shining example of "the dangers of piracy" lose in the world.

Hell, I saw in the various news media about RIAA being zinged by the artists (legally or just public sparring, I'm not sure) for not putting the settlement monies back to the artists they were stolen from, but rather adding to their corporate coffers. These blood-suckers are no worse than the "pirates" that are "damaging" the artists to begin with. Wish I had a link to the story at the moment, but alas, web searching has failed me for the time being.

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said by wasanon

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I recall that the MPAA and RIAA are supposedly required or volunteering to turn over the funds they collect to the author or owner of the copywrited materials (IF, and only IF, the copywrite owner applies to receive them.).

In theory these actions should not become a profit source for them, but instead for the copywrite owners.

The MPAA and RIAA are the copywrite owners as they are the record labels.... Not the artists. The RIAA collects something like 50 cents or something like that per song per fan base count from a radio station. And I remember seeing a RIAA statement that the money from songs on Radio does not go the artists at all. They said their songs playing on the radio is more than fair and adiquate compensation for the singers/bands.

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Some royalties from radio play (and CD sales) go to the song writers which aren't necessarily the musicians that recorded the song.

The money isn't in being in a band, it's in writing songs. Now if you are a band member who also gets writing credits, then you get the best of it all. You get paid for your initial recording of the album, paid to tour, and paid royalties based on sales and radio play.
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permalink · 2005-02-01 19:07:15 · Print ·

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There is a real point here.

In terms of organizational dynamics and psychology, they like control, and a "battle" like this gives them opportunities to assert control, and perhaps also to expand their turf by adding staff.

On the other hand, the MPAA and RIAA may be running scared of a decline in the revenue streams from which they presumably get a cut, which would reduce their income and size - unless of course they can make a case that they need additional resources to fight further declines.

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Kearnstd Elf Wizard join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ	traffic went up because the MPAA got ink about people pirating the movies. someone opens the NY Times and says hey cool i can get free movies and goes onto google and starts searching about BT. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports
	permalink · 2005-02-01 23:15:07 ·

DrewCapu Giant Diehard join:2001-12-19 California clubs:	Any publicity is good publicity. *AA has proven that is the case for p2p. They've also proven that, in their case, the opposite can be true as well. Seriously though, they've got to think out of the box when it comes to marketing. I still buy cds and dvds. The thing is, I buy only the good* ones.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 13:09:54 ·

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said by DrewCapu

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is good publicity.

**AA has proven that is the case for p2p.

They've also proven that, in their case, the opposite can be true as well.

Seriously though, they've got to think out of the box when it comes to marketing.

I still buy cds and dvds. The thing is, I buy only the good ones.

You must not be buying to many then!

Used CDs & DVDs is my route.
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one_bored_si join:2003-03-10 Montebello, CA	Re: Any publicity I still buy the good ones as well, all others rent rip and return. HAHA
	permalink · 2005-02-01 13:43:05 ·

stet Volitar Prime join:2002-03-08 Warren, MI	Re: Any publicity If it's not good, why bother ripping it? Why not just rent it, determine that it's no good, return it, and get on with your life? Are you ever going to want to watch a bad movie again? -- I am of the stars. I am called "Forever". Eternity courses through my veins.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 14:05:33 ·

jsouth Jsouth join:2000-12-12 Wichita, KS	Re: Any publicity Most places won't let you return a movie or cd at least if it's open and then you can only get another of the same kind.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 14:43:55 ·

DrewCapu Giant Diehard join:2001-12-19 California clubs:	said by dadkins : You must not be buying to many then! Used CDs & DVDs is my route. Yep. My last few dvd purchases have included LOTR Extendeds as they came out, and some Season dvds of tv shows I like. As for CDs, most of what I've bought recently were either classical or jazz.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 13:52:53 · Print ·

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February 1st, @02:24PM

How the MPAA views Bit Torrent

Satan's Squirrel

Lucifer's Lemmings

Hell's Hamsters

Just play The Blue Man Group's Hamster Dance backward.

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antdude A Ninja Ant Premium,VIP join:2001-03-25	Re: How the MPAA views Bit Torrent said by Transmaster : Just play The Blue Man Group's Hamster Dance backward. Blue Man Group didn't make that song.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 21:22:50 ·

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	permalink · 2005-02-01 14:07:46 ·

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Still , that was hysterical to see the panic among people when suprnova fell.

"It's the end of Bittorent !!! We are finished !!!!" they were saying.

The truth is that suprnova did not close because of the MPAA but still the people thought that because that site went down , that it was the end of bittorent.

Well , bittorent is still alive and VERY well my friends

To the MPAA : Your tactics are useless.You would be better off trying to find a way of making profit out of this instead of constantly whining about copyrights.YOU CANNOT STOP P2P no matter how hard you will try so you better shove that into your big corporate heads because THAT'S the reality !!!

Thank you and goodnight

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HangTheScumNow	Let' see who gets the last laugh... I love it when morons hawk Pirating and wear their ignorance as a badge of honor. It just makes their prison sentence so much more rewarding. Ya gotta give the RIAA and MPAA a lot of credit for removing the SCUM from out streets. Hell anyone dumb enough to steal copyright protected works doesn't deserve to be on the street where they might hurt themselves.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 14:33:02 ·

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said by HangTheScumNow:

I love it when morons hawk Pirating and wear their ignorance as a badge of honor. It just makes their prison sentence so much more rewarding. Ya gotta give the RIAA and MPAA a lot of credit for removing the SCUM from out streets. Hell anyone dumb enough to steal copyright protected works doesn't deserve to be on the street where they might hurt themselves.

ROFL!

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mrchris America the pitiful Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY	Re: Let' see who gets the last laugh... Mmmm using the pic I posted before eh?
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Actually, I think I was the first to post it in response
to the Taylor troll, who as usual, doesn't have anything
to say. People like him who post to Usenet with drivel
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Re: Let' see who gets the last laugh...

I prefer the ASCII based ones:)

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permalink · 2005-02-01 16:17:34 · Print ·

some random dude @151.143.x.x	Don't feed the **AA Go to live concerts/music events and buy your CDs directly from the bands. The money will directly into their pockets and you will demonstrate your appreciation of the bands' music right up front.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 14:58:22 ·

SoilFlames Premium join:2002-03-17 Andover, MN clubs:	Re: Don't feed the **AA That's how i get my metal/hardcore music.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 18:19:45 ·

Pope Premium join:2001-08-05 Napa, CA	exposure I'm fairly certain people here were laughing at the MPAA and RIAA for making file sharing public. Because of them, there is more exposure. Well done. Pope -- It's all good. \| Drive Safely, life is a one time thing.
	permalink · 2005-02-01 16:44:07 ·

ctceo Premium join:2001-04-26 South Bend, IN clubs:	Jeez Isn't this the same thing that happened when Napster went down?
	permalink · 2005-02-01 17:07:20 ·

KeepOnRockin Music Lover Forever Premium join:2002-11-08 Beaverton, OR ·Comcast ·Verizon Online DSL	Re: Jeez said by ctceo : Isn't this the same thing that happened when Napster went down? Well, you know the old saying. "History repeats itself".
	permalink · 2005-02-01 17:13:15 ·

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None of this makes sense

It doesn't matter what you have on your PCs HD anymore folks. The ESA and other associations are on a pirate "witch hunt". Watch out! You could be next at the other end of a phone wondering how you got busted for illegaling sharing a game. What game? Just cause a file on my hd is called "diablo.zip" doesn't mean I'm sharing some game called "Diablo". ESA, get a life. You don't scare us if we are watching our back for your narcs. Learn more about what is incriminating before you contact our ISPs telling them "this IP is trading illegal software". Dumbasses you let the cat out the bag for every noob now.

permalink · 2005-02-01 23:24:26 · Print ·

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Interestingly enough, it's not illegal to download copyrighted material, if you already own the material.

The case the MPAA has is useless. They try to shut down torrent linkers, who's sites contain 0% copyrighted material. The Torrent files themselves have 0% copyrighted material in them. They might even succeed in shutting some sites down, but I say, posturing and threats. The best offense they can come up with is .'enabling theft of intellectual property' It's like someone trying to sue ford because they were drunk and driving a mustang. .it's really silly. Or the government sueing a baggage manufacturer like TUMI because some columbian drug lord transports cocain in them.

The lesson here is that you can point the finger at causes . . .music . .whatever . .(what was in Hitler's CD CASE . .let's sue those musicians!) Threaten a huge legal battle, the sites are going to shut down, but in 2 days they are back up again, in a country where they don't give a shit about the RIAA or MPAA.

Even if the MPAA or RIAA went after an individual, there's no money in it for them. To even pursue someone in court with charges etc costs thousands of dollars. You think bob from dallas who works a regular job is worth targeting? No, he's not. They don't have a target to go after that's worth money because bit torrent is de-centralized. So they will try and shut down sites, maybe file some suits, but ultimatly, they simply will loose money, and file trading will go on. Get another ISP, find another link page, and move on. Just give them the finger.

They will probably file suits against folks to scare people off, but it's not working.

Best way to fight the xxAA? Don't buy music from an artist on their list. Don't put money in their coffers. That's what helps them.

permalink · 2005-02-02 00:30:49 · Print ·

majella77 join:2001-10-03 Chicago, IL	Bit torrent **AA keep trying the same old tactic and it's not working. They have not stopped anyone who wants to download a torrent file from finding and downloading that file. I simply don't get it. Would think they someone at these organizations would have come up with a better plan by now. Maybe some kind of subscription service for tv torrents.
	permalink · 2005-02-02 01:50:44 ·

F U C K the RIAA @hub3.csolv	Re:How the MPAA views Bit Torrent thanks for posting those cartoons, I had tears streaming down from laughing so hard - actually ROFL, and they say laughter is good for your health ;=}
	permalink · 2005-02-02 22:33:42 ·

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