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join:2003-01-19 | Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon lapt 64-bit viruses to follow. | |
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| Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon lapt said by DonLibes  :64-bit viruses to follow. Its not that hard to do.... A simple recompile should be all it takes in most instances.
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| Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon lapt Gezzzz... I'd be happy if it the 32 bit worked correctly.. no BSOD's, no ugly messages, but what are my chances? | |
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| Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon lapt said by wat about:
Gezzzz... I'd be happy if it the 32 bit worked correctly.. no BSOD's, no ugly messages, but what are my chances?
What version of Windows do you run? I haven't seen a BSOD in about 7 years. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :What version of Windows do you run? I haven't seen a BSOD in about 7 years. All the BSOD's that I have seen on XP in the last seven years were due to bad hardware. Bad memory, geriatric HDD. Can't blame Uncle Bill for that. | |
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| Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon laptop I installed the beta on my a64 workstation and it appears to run well. I haven't had a chance to test it much since ther isn't a whole lot of support for it just yet (driverwise anyway). ATI does have drivers for it but when I ran 3DMark it looked like complete garbage. It may be a while before it reaches a mature state. | |
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| Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon lapt 3DMark is a 32bit program isnt it? If you run a 32bit program in a 64bit environment, it is going to be crap because a 32bit environment has to be emulated. That whole WOW Windows on Windows thing. Emulators take up a lot of resources and are generally pretty slow...
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| Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon lapt Why does it have to be emulated? AMD64 and EM64T (Intel's version of AMD64 extensions) both support 32-bit code natively. Also, Microsoft has developed the 64-bit version of Windows so it will also run 32-bit software (without emulation, to my understanding). MS removed all legacy 16-bit support but who cares? | |
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| Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon lapt Using 32-bit apps isn't as transparent as they advertise - which is why the latest reviews on x64 Windows RC1 indicates there are small number of compatibility problems with existing apps. 32- and 64-bit code can't be used interchangeably. 32-bit apps need 32-bit DLL's and vice versa. For 32-bit apps, the OS uses the WoW64 compatibility mode which results in a (very?) small performance penalty. | |
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| Back when Windows 95 was introduced, and there was a lot of 16-bit Windows 3.1 code. In order to allow the 16-bit to call 32-bit code (and vice-versa), Windows used a technique called "thunking". This was part fo a facility knowns as WOW (Windows on Windows). So the 32/64-bit issues will probably be dealt with the same way. | |
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| Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon lapt said by salahx :Back when Windows 95 was introduced, and there was a lot of 16-bit Windows 3.1 code. In order to allow the 16-bit to call 32-bit code (and vice-versa), Windows used a technique called "thunking". This was part fo a facility knowns as WOW (Windows on Windows). So the 32/64-bit issues will probably be dealt with the same way. That's exactly how 32/64-bit will be dealt with in Win64. While there is a penalty from the thunking, it is extremely low, something like less than 1% in most situations. Still, my A64 3200+ flies with 32-bit XP, I can't wait to try the RTM of XP64 with some real driver support. As it stands now, I can't boot off RAID with RC1.
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| Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon lapt said by Persona :And I'll wait for some apps that support 64 bit processing Same.
I'll switch when intel releases their new 64 bit cores. | |
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| Re: Good; I'd like to try on my 64 bit Athlon lapt said by Nerdtalker : said by Persona :And I'll wait for some apps that support 64 bit processing Same. I'll switch when intel releases their new 64 bit cores. A lot of the higher end apps already are supporting the 64 bit arch. Just they are a real b*tch to find a place to get them.
I run xp-64 no issues at all with all my software. Biggest issue i have is the dep on the processor I forgot to turn it off for an app that i spent 2 weeks trying to patch.
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H0H 0H0 | If you've the Compaq R3000 series laptop, then you may have problems with drivers. Someone I know tried to put on Win64 Beta and some of the component manufacturers weren't sure they were going to even bother with 64 bit drivers. | |
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| Re: AMD said by quanta :Does Intel even have a 64-bit desktop part yet? (Itanium doesn't count.) Unfortunately, without the dominant market guy in the 64-bit market, we're not gonna see too much 64-bit support until Intel arrives at the party. Exactly, Ive been running RC1 daily now and aside from driver issues (not MS's fault) its very stable. Without 64 Bit software its still just Windows XP though. AMD might have been early to the game but good software wont be started until Intel announces its joining the party as well and then its really only going to be a gamers OS IMO.
As for the driver issues its not just quirky beta drivers. Make sure to check and see if your current hardware offers 64 Bit drivers... some companies will see this as a chance to offer you new hardware in leu of offering you new drivers for their current line-up.
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| said by quanta :Does Intel even have a 64-bit desktop part yet? (Itanium doesn't count.) Unfortunately, without the dominant market guy in the 64-bit market, we're not gonna see too much 64-bit support until Intel arrives at the party. »www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=2280 | |
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| said by quanta :Does Intel even have a 64-bit desktop part yet? (Itanium doesn't count.) Of course. Some of Prescott steppings already have EM64T. The upcoming P4 6xx series all have EM64T and that's what MS has been waiting for (well, at least I subscribe to that theory). They'll add EM64T to their legacy processors as well - the 5xx and 3xx. | |
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| said by kaisa :Heres to hoping that AMD will still dominate intel in the 64bit desktop market. We were saying that about the Digital Alpha back in the 90s and we still got beat by the less advanced Intel platform. AMD may hold on, but once Intel goes head long into this, AMD is going to have a tough time staying on top, especially since Intel got all the Alpha engineers from Digital/Compaq.
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| Drivers Needed Hard to imagine that applications (e.g., Adobe Photoshop) are already limited by the 2GB address space in the 32 bit environment. It's about time for 64 bits.
Of course, the REAL issue is with getting 64 bit drivers that support the really interesting hardware (e.g., highly featured, high performance video cards). When I can run a dual display at high resolution and tune HDTV on time delay I'll be impressed.
Perhaps Microsoft placing the product on sale will speed the development and deployment of these drivers.
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| Re: Drivers Needed Most vendors probably have drivers set to release as soon as XP 64 is released. Software will be a different story. It took a while for most software vendors to release 32bit software when the transition started from 16bit.
While XP was in beta you didn't see any drivers until RTM. I had to use win2k drivers for hardware that didn't have drivers built in while beta testing XP. Once XP was released the hardware vendors released the updated drivers. As soon as xp 64 hits the shelves all the vendors will release updated drivers.
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| said by NoelC :It's about time for 64 bits. Actually, its been time for a long time...  I'm amazed that its taken THIS long for Intel, AMD and Microsoft to get on the 64bit bus in a large scale.
64bit OSes and platforms have been around since the mid to late 80s.
Of course, the REAL issue is with getting 64 bit drivers that support the really interesting hardware (e.g., highly featured, high performance video cards). When I can run a dual display at high resolution and tune HDTV on time delay I'll be impressed.
Perhaps Microsoft placing the product on sale will speed the development and deployment of these drivers. It certainly will. However, all the hardware vendors should be in porting mode if they want to survive. Microsoft most certainly would have provided them with development platforms already, so the lag time between the XP64 release and the driver releases should be very short.
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| Re: Drivers Needed I really hope they get their act together on that. So many problems (okay I admit mostly games, and likely mostly related to graphics drivers) on so many boards, people experiencing glitches, crashes, etc.
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| Haters, shut the hell up. Don't like it? Don't buy it.
I am sick and tired of people using wintel boxes, and b*tching about windows. If you are not happy with your OS, there ate plenty of alternatives.
Yet your stupid ass cannot operate anything that was not simplified enough so that a chimp can operate it. That is why you are with Windows, and THAT is why your box gets owned by spyware malware.
Lets be honest, 2k/XP virtually never BSOD's unless drivers/hardware are at fault (Like Nvidia's infinite loop error, etc..)
As for exploits, it is targeted at more, so obviously more are found, as opposed to other platforms. I am not saying that it is as secure as it could ever be, but it is secure enough providing that the user has at least some understanding of wtf they are doing.
I hated Microsoft back in 9x days, since my 9x box was not stable long enough for me to wack off to some vid on the net, and that is why I went to Mandrake, but come 2k and later XP, Microsoft did prove themselves that they CAN make a stable and GOOD OS.
At this time, it is safe to say, that if you have issues with 2k/XP, you simply dont know how to operate a computer properly.
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Hollis, NH | FINALLY Finally a good reason to upgrade to a 64bit processor.... | |
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| Re: FINALLY I have tried using the trial version with my FX-55 and it was not finished yet for sure. It did not support almost anything that did not have a 64bit driver that you downloaded yourself. So any devices without 64bit drivers failed to work. Needless to say I uninstalled and installed the 32bit version. | |
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| Try it before you critique it.... Instead of making all kinds of statement about how its going to do this or it wont do that. TRY IT... MOST OF YOU ARE WAY WAY OFF!!! I hate MS, but I have used XP for years and not one BSOD. I have had a problem a couple times when I use beta drivers with reboots or when I max out my Video Card and run a game. But never a BSOD. It does take a lot of work to make sure you system with XP is protected because of the way Windows works. Some things are good, some are bad. XP64 has a different way of protecting itself from viruses and such. Do some research before you post here. By not, some of you make yourselves look pretty silly. I have tried XP64, my only issue is the lack of drivers and software. What software I have used is bangin! Well... just my rant and yeah I know I am ranting...
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| Re: Try it before you critique it.... Good post. The problem is most of the bashers use Windows. I could never understand why people would use something they don't like.
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| Re: Try it before you critique it.... /sarcasm
Because the monopolistic computer manufacturers force them to by pre-installing windows.
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I like to call it the only happy when they bitch brain deficiency theory. ohwtbbdt for short. It is very closely related to the sound the people make (head hitting desktop) when they try to install a linux based distribution and they can't figure out how to partition the drive.
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| Re: Try it before you critique it.... said by innoman :Unless you have some crazy setup... linux now does everything for you.. It just says what part of what drive do you want me to make mine... Ok.. Here is your install... Have fun! That is the funny part. You ever see them try and install it in advanced mode because they knew windows and were considered advanced. I have seen many crumble at that point.
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| Re: Try it before you critique it.... I'm no novice and I have also crumbled. However, it seems that if I dont do it in advanced mode, I tend to lose my windows load. (well I usually catch it right after it deletes the MBR or something... I can fix it... but it is a pain)
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| Complain. I don't get why you all complain about viruses, I was using my Win XP Home for a whole month w/o a firewall or an anti-virus program, not even an anti-spyware one, conclusion: It's all about the user who uses the software, or whatever.
BTW I was ruining FF and didn't experience any slow downs at all.
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Also, I am a computer technician that gets yelled at constantly for our customer's computers not working and how it can't be their fault and i hear "i didn't change anything" , when you find out that they installed kazaa, click on those IPOD ads and open every email attachment they get. People need to take responsibility for when they screw up. And when you people go to porn sites, don't deny it when we have screen shots or a file list of the sites that you've been to under your own username on xp. but thats a whole nother topic, heh heh ... | |
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| Free Version is out As a user of the free version of Win64 and a follower of the Win64 newsgroup hosted by MS, here is my summary.
- Benefit of 64 bit memory addressing in Windows is currently only available in SQL Server
- Benefit of Win64 is that it can address more than 4Gb of RAM in the standard version. Though it will be a couple of more years before people get 4Gb or more standard on their PC's.
- Requires all new drivers. 80 percent of the newsgroup is dedicated to people who didn't read the compatibility sheet. Usually printers and some wireless card. The demands they make are laughable.
- Very few people have Intel EMT64 CPU's to test. 98% of the posters are running AMD64.
- Legacy parallel ports are NOT supported. This one catches everyone off guard. The printer manufacturers will have to make them. (if they do)
- NVidia is way ahead of ATI in making 64 bit drivers.
- 15% is made up of people complaining that some 32 bit DX-7 game runs too slow.
- Roughly 10% of the posters don't know how to burn an ISO image.
- Anti-Virus protection is spotty. Requires loading a 32bit version and then patching it with a 64 bit library update. Many complain it doesn't work.
- About 5% install it on top of the XP Home install and then complain that they can't get XP Home back when they don't like it.
I liken it to the first Windows NT 3.1 release. Everyone complained when it wouldn't support the prevailing CPU (80286) at the time. Everyone complained when you couldn't play games on it. Everyone complained when it didn't look like Windows 95. Now we get to start over again. | |
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| Re: Free Version is out said by ricep5 :I liken it to the first Windows NT 3.1 release. (...) Everyone complained when it didn't look like Windows 95. That was sort of tough to do in 1993. | |
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The dollar is the real reason. Developers and hardware manufacturing looks at bang for buck, so buy more and the drivers will show up faster. Intel is getting a free ride on AMD's to market first on this one people. AMD is smaller, faster, and smarter...period!
I can't believe some of the comments on BSOD, Drivers, and related from people...get a life people, use that grey matter......!
I don't work for AMD, MS, Intel...just a developer writting code for the mass of stupid people...hmmm keep up the good work...it's nice to have a job making smarter software for dumb people......FLAME ON! | |
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