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Moonie
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join:2003-07-05
Arlington, TX
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Dude111
An Awesome Dude
Premium
join:2003-08-04
USA
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| Re: Working on it In my area,TIME WARNER does still broadcast ANALOG (from 2 - 83,A-1) They repeast the analog one's above on the digital side (Which i think sucks!!!!! If your paying for DIGITAL SERVICE,and you go ABOVE 100,you should see the DIGITAL side of it)
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26
| Re: Working on it said by Dude111  :In my area,TIME WARNER does still broadcast ANALOG (from 2 - 83,A-1) They repeast the analog one's above on the digital side (Which i think sucks!!!!! If your paying for DIGITAL SERVICE,and you go ABOVE 100,you should see the DIGITAL side of it) Ah well.......... Yes it sucks but I guess your cable company is short in QAM and need to upgrade their network. The cable company I work for (Canadian) is feeding 100% digital channels to their subscribers. It takes more QAM but it helps to fights against satellite companies. We're working with 750Mhz and few 500Mhz networks.
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join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI | Re: Working on it QAM is a modulation technique!!! A cable company can not become short in QAM, the become short in bandwidth or open frequencies. If you actually work for a cable company you should at least have the proper terminology down. | |
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26
| Re: Working on it said by imrf :QAM is a modulation technique!!! A cable company can not become short in QAM, the become short in bandwidth or open frequencies. If you actually work for a cable company you should at least have the proper terminology down. I used the term short in QAM to illustrate the fact that all current QAM in use are full (full bandwith used).
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | I'm impressed - i thought it would only be Shaw, Cogeco and possibly Rogers that would be 100% digital on the digital side. | |
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26
| Re: Working on it said by en102 :I'm impressed - i thought it would only be Shaw, Cogeco and possibly Rogers that would be 100% digital on the digital side. Videotron always cared about it's network, believing in it's power for delivering interactive content since the early 90's. Some parts of the network could even handle 1Ghz frequency (adding tons of new QAM  ).
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Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| said by Dude111 :In my area,TIME WARNER does still broadcast ANALOG (from 2 - 83,A-1) They repeast the analog one's above on the digital side (Which i think sucks!!!!! If your paying for DIGITAL SERVICE,and you go ABOVE 100,you should see the DIGITAL side of it) Ah well.......... In Austin, TX and surrounding areas they do the same. They alias the analog channel in the digital lineup. You can notice that easily even if you are not technically inclined. The dot noise is noticable for analog channels and when you switch to an analog channel the usual delay that occurs with digital channels is absent.
With more than half of the digital channels are actually analog there is no real incentive to upgrade to digital and pay for extra STB rental fees etc. for me. When they go 90% or more digital (and preferably HDTV by then) then I will probably upgrade. | |
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join:2003-12-28
Valrico, FL
| I'm waiting for things to get up and running here in the Tampa Bay area. Verizon is working this area now putting fiber to each house. I'm told there are going thru the whole state. My house is on a hub with two others houses. One of the techs said three houses per hub. Sounds real interesting. Haven't heard what they will offer. I got Brighthouse (TW) cable now. The net is pretty good 3Mbps download. The HD TV sucks. 480I is all they offer now. It sucks! You can see why I'm waiting for Verizon.:) | |
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Dude111
An Awesome Dude
Premium
join:2003-08-04
USA
·Time Warner VOIP
| Your lucky being able to provide 100% digital service.......
I just think they are just trying to get by with the cheapest they can do......They could carry the DIGI side of some of those,but since they have them already analog,they dont...It makes me sick......(You can tell which ones are digi and analog by the amount of tyme it takes to authorize it when you goto it (DIGITAL take about 3 seconds,analog comes up instantly) | |
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26
| Re: Working on it said by Dude111 :Your lucky being able to provide 100% digital service....... Shouldn't be called luck and I think that were us cable companies are vulnerable, they don't see their network as the crown jewel of the company. Could be what will take down cable companies that will have ignore that fact when VDSL will be publicly released.
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Dude111
An Awesome Dude
Premium
join:2003-08-04
USA
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1 edit | My Cable co. used to have Analog on A-5 and A-4 but took them off (They were Spice and Playboy) A-1 is just an ad for time warner (It used to be WE network) and sometimes they put Network Monitoring Graphs on A-2 (You can see the network traffic in lines going up and down (I 4GOT THE PROPER TERM (HEHEHEHE)))
A friend of mine said he had a cable ready tv once that went up to 1000!!! (analog) He scanned up there above 100!!!!!!
He found test/colorbars @ 140 and starting @ 800 he heard music!!!!!!!!! (Like music choice,etc.........) I would love to have an analog TV that goes to 1000 and scan on mine and see whats up there........(Maybe all the analog scrambled channels 'NOT SCRAMBLED' (Which there is only 1 now))
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dslhater
Premium
join:2001-09-24
Chicopee, MA
clubs: | Charter I wish Charter would go all digital here in Massachusetts instead of deleting digital channels and or moving them to the analog side. | |
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one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
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| Re: Charter Charter's ways of migrating customers to digital is to raise prices until it's almost stupid to keep analog-only service.
Those channels they moved will eventually come back over to digital.
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dslhater
Premium
join:2001-09-24
Chicopee, MA
clubs:
| Re: Charter like analog extended basic costing $50.25 and Digital complete basic costing $54.95 At one point last year I couldn't afford it and when I took the digital box in to save some money I was given those rates I looked at her funny and took the box back lol | |
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Monster Rain
Premium
join:2002-08-03
USA
| said by dslhater :I wish Charter would go all digital here in Massachusetts instead of deleting digital channels and or moving them to the analog side. Read the ARTICLE
"That's the future," said a Charter spokesman. "Digital simultrans and all-digital are in Charter's plans." | |
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MPScan
Premium
join:2001-08-24
Boston, MA
| Local Government I think the problem is the local government's. Many of these large cable companies have contracts with each local town that state they must broadcast analog channels. Many elderly people get just the basic packages of OTA channels and public access which runs like $10/mo, and they don't need a box.
It's going to take more than a wish on the part of the cable companies to get the local govt's to change this. | |
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roamer1
sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
clubs:
1 edit | Re: Local Government said by MPScan :I think the problem is the local government's. Many of these large cable companies have contracts with each local town that state they must broadcast analog IIRC, it is an *FCC* requirement that the *basic* tier (local broadcast stations, public/educational/govt. access) channels be in analog and in the clear; requirements for "expanded basic" tiers are set by local governments.
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Insert Witty Tag Here
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join:2003-06-04
Berkeley, CA | Re: Local Government So this FCC requirement basically means that local stations and public access should be in analog and unscrambled so that people can watch them without paying the cable company?
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sabersaw
Premium
join:2001-08-21
Dayton, OH
| is bandwidth really the problem? why is this even a issue... they offer VOD, HSD services VoIP, and they are trying to say that lack of bandwidth is the hold up, I smell BS. The sat. companies are convincing the general public that their all digital format is the way to go.. thank god for competition. | |
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coffaro
Moonie
Premium
join:2003-07-05
Arlington, TX
clubs:
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| Re: is bandwidth really the problem? said by sabersaw :why is this even a issue... they offer VOD, HSD services VoIP, and they are trying to say that lack of bandwidth is the hold up, I smell BS. The sat. companies are convincing the general public that their all digital format is the way to go.. thank god for competition. The biggest problem we have.......:(
Can't add more stuff with out banwith and we are all out of it. | |
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sabersaw
Premium
join:2001-08-21
Dayton, OH
| Re: is bandwidth really the problem? Well, my response to that is... Time Warner you are a cable company, quit trying to be everything to everyone. I would like to maybe try your phone service out someday. But give me quality TV first, especially if you are truly approaching the limits of your infrastructure. | |
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
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| Here we go again, Bandwidth is everything! Can't you guys see what is in the future? I keep saying Fiber and Networks are the answer, but I can see that Companies want to squeeze everything they can from the Infrastructures they have. If they go with your logic, they will end up like Sears and K-Mart. So they will squeeze what they have, and then go Fiber. So wake up, anything you can Digitize, is free game for all. | |
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sabersaw
Premium
join:2001-08-21
Dayton, OH
2 edits | Re: is bandwidth really the problem? said by alchav :Here we go again, Bandwidth is everything! Can't you guys see what is in the future? I keep saying Fiber and Networks are the answer, but I can see that Companies want to squeeze everything they can from the Infrastructures they have. If they go with your logic, they will end up like Sears and K-Mart. So they will squeeze what they have, and then go Fiber. So wake up, anything you can Digitize, is free game for all. of course bandwidth is everything. The priorities of what fills that bandwidth is my gripe. Which is why I have switched back to the dish. I dropped $2k on a TV to be reminded how crappy analog cable looks. In fairness however the top 4 networks here are now in HDTV, but hell those are free OTA. I have sacrificed HSD to my house for this, because DSL is not available.. and I have just given up on TW.
I don't know or pretend to understand what digital(all of them) signals are being passed thru the R-6 that runs to my neighbors house. But I guarantee you it can handle HSD(internet) and 300 digital channels. Plenty of bandwidth for that. Its just TW asleep at the wheel. | |
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No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| cable card Cablecard is really the solution, I would by a Digital ready TV, and not be cluttered with there boxes. If they were smart they would push cablecard and sets to customers. Not drag everyone along with these stupid cable boxes.
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join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC | Re: cable card Have you seen the problems people are having with CableCARD? Not to mention the fact that the current version of CableCARD does not support PPV/VoD.
Maybe CableCard 4.0 will be the solution. | |
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join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN | Right now they have advantage since digital cheater box does not exist. get to charge high prices again. But just a matter of time though. | |
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
Premium
join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: cable card said by ossito16 :Right now they have advantage since digital cheater box does not exist. get to charge high prices again. But just a matter of time though. Ah, a thief rears his ugly head. That isn't even on topic.
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join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
·RCN CABLE
| Re: cable card Accusing me of being a thief, ok I will be nice only this one time. Basically what I was trying to say is that the cable industry has spent a lot of time and money defeating cable theft. Digital boxes have given them the lead on aftermarket cable box hacks (no digital hack exist as far as I know). Move all analog channels to digital channels and now you are forced to get legit cable. Not even a tech can come hook you up without a digital box service. Why would they spend money on switching to cable card and losing the $6/mo. on the cable box rental. | |
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Bizarro Quinn
Premium
join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: cable card said by ossito16 :Accusing me of being a thief, ok I will be nice only this one time. Basically what I was trying to say is that the cable industry has spent a lot of time and money defeating cable theft. Digital boxes have given them the lead on aftermarket cable box hacks (no digital hack exist as far as I know). Move all analog channels to digital channels and now you are forced to get legit cable. Not even a tech can come hook you up without a digital box service. Why would they spend money on switching to cable card and losing the $6/mo. on the cable box rental. Thanks for having such grace 
Perhaps you should be more concise in getting your point across the first time and posts like that won't happen?
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join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN
·RCN CABLE
| Re: cable card I welcome CONSTRUCTIVE criticism about my comments, right or wrong. I was told once before that my comments on forum issues were a bit on the violent side. For 2005, I am trying to be nice. But you seem to like to push it.
With quotes like these "Keep on charging the enemy so long as there is life." Really, what are you willing to do? Are you really a ranger 75th regiment or talking stuff? Who really is the enemy? | |
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Bizarro Quinn
Premium
join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: cable card said by ossito16 :I welcome CONSTRUCTIVE criticism about my comments, right or wrong. I was told once before that my comments on forum issues were a bit on the violent side. For 2005, I am trying to be nice. But you seem to like to push it. With quotes like these "Keep on charging the enemy so long as there is life." Really, what are you willing to do? Are you really a ranger 75th regiment or talking stuff? Who really is the enemy? Not sure why you're emptying your bowels filled with verbal diarrhea here. What you say doesn't really make sense. Further, this is a forum on the web...it's easy to be a hardass...or as you say "violent." Meanwhile, I'm laughing my ass off.
Now, back to the topic.
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Whiting, IN | Re: cable card hardass, have not heard that since high school.
that was a good one, now we both are laughing.
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roamer1
sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
clubs:
| said by ossito16 :Digital boxes have given them the lead on aftermarket cable box hacks (no digital hack exist as far as I know). Move all analog channels to digital channels and now you are forced to get legit cable. My guess is that improving service is part of the shift to all-digital, and that reducing cable theft is part of it. (You're right...when the cablecos go all-digital *and turn off the analog* then it puts a complete stop to "tap theft", since just hooking up service at the tap does nothing.)
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Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| No analog = no Comcast here Once analog is gone and I need a converter box on every TV then Comcast is out the door and DirecTV is in. The only thing keeping me on cable right now are those analog NTSC channels which any TV in the house can get without additional equipment. DTV has much better service for less $ and I can pick up local broadcast with an attic antenna if necessary and inject that into my house's coaxial distribution system.
Around here the few simulcast channels look much better on analog than digital anyway due to Comcast's incompetence. Can't wait until every channel is overcompressed crap.
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| so what if they do? with the FCC and congress already waffling on the transition date (I have seen reports it could be pushed back to 2009), what makes you think cable moving to all digital will have the desired effect?
I think the broadcast networks will work their congre$$ional magic and keep getting the date pushed back. | |
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roamer1
sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
clubs:
| Re: so what if they do? said by nasadude :with the FCC and congress already waffling on the transition date (I have seen reports it could be pushed back to 2009), what makes you think cable moving to all digital will have the desired effect? The sunset date for analog OTA broadcasts has NOTHING to do with requirements imposed on cable companies -- they're apples and artichokes.
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No Guru Just Here To Help
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join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL
| This comment not 100% true "Such other large cable operators as Cox Communications, Cablevision Systems, Insight Communications and Bright House Networks are not making their plans just yet, at least not publicly."
In regards to Insight Communications - this statement isn't a 100% true. It has been stated in the Insight forum that the company will be going all digital later on this year. »[News] Analog channels going digital !
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