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join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO
3 edits | No Thanks No Thanks i will stay with TWC as long as i live in TX. I gave SBC the Boot a few weeks ago and have never looked back since.
Ps I can see all the hiding TAX's they will have with there service. | |
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | Re: No Thanks It might take prices down a bit, nothing wrong with a little competition. | |
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join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC
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1 edit | Re: No Thanks DirecTV and Dish aren't doing much to keep the cable prices low. DirecTV, and their HD offering (at 10.99 for 4 HD channels) is actually MORE expensive than the 5 premium HD channels we get for $6.95/mo on TWC here (we have 17 available).
And TWC just raised their prices for the 2nd time this year. I don't really see the Bells and their video services doing a lot for cable's price increases. | |
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join:2004-08-09
Detroit, MI
| Re: No Thanks I will try anything but Comcast cable who since merging with AT&T media has continually asked for rate hikes here in Detroit under the guise of keeping the network state of the art. They had to spend very little money on the AT&T network because it was AT&T/TCI cable who developed the on demand system Comcast is rolling out. I used it back when I was in College in East Lansing where TCI installed one of the first Fiber cable systems in the country as a test bed for a host of network services. If SBC can offer more for less more power to them just like Dish and Direct TV who is cheaper than Comcast Detroit. | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Re: No Thanks said by audiog  :I will try anything but Comcast cable who since merging with AT&T media... That was not a merger, but an outright purchase. AT&T sold their media operation to Comcast.
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Blasterbator
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Jackson, MS
·Cox HSI
| We shall see...
14% of the homes in the market that subscribe to pay tv services (cable, dish, etc.), which is typically 65 to 75% of the homes passed by the service.
SBC seems to forget that they will be competing with both the Cable Provider AND the Dish Providers.
SBC better have a VERY VERY VERY VERY compelling offer that is NOT based upon price and they better be sure they don't just end up selling their service to all of the Cable Company's non-pay accounts. | |
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sbc lover
@comcast.net | Can't wait SBC. Bring it on! | |
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Fobulous
Premium
join:2002-08-14
Missouri City, TX | U mean as long as you stay in the Houston Area. | |
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CO_Chris
Premium
join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO | Yes we have a Winner. | |
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA | Aren't you glad that your RR is increasing speed to 5.0/384 and 8.0/512
That's real crazy man  | |
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ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA | Re-report? Wasn't this reported previously? I will also re-report that SBC is not the only ILEC looking to get into the IPTV business. | |
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Blasterbator
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Jackson, MS | Re: Re-report?
Wasn't this reported previously?
lol!
hence the line in the news blurb that says:
(see previous report)
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join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA | Re: Re-report? I know, I I caught that, but I still wished to poke fun at them.  | |
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Blasterbator
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Jackson, MS
·Cox HSI
| Re: Re-report? Actually I think the telcos have been saying this sort of thing since the early 90s ... video services... right around the corner... soon... next year.... testing now... field trial is live... etc etc etc.
I will believe it when I see video coming out of that unused, dusty little pair of coppers wires sticking out of my wall  | |
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Premium
join:2002-09-14
Dearborn, MI
·WOW Internet and C..
| Re: Re-report? said by Blasterbator :Actually I think the telcos have been saying this sort of thing since the early 90s ... video services... right around the corner... soon... next year.... testing now... field trial is live... etc etc etc. ACTUALLY... Ameritech (now SBC) offered TV in the 90s, but sold it to WOW, which is much cheaper than Comcast and the Dish providers. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Here | That was through seperate means of transmission. This will be over a twisted pair. | |
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Xtort
join:2001-07-28
Edmonton, AB | Lovely.. Something else to transfer to Yahoo! for when you want tech support...
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
1 edit | Oh Please....again If you think I am going to give up Dish Network for this I have startling news for you, this is like BPL is a day late and a 3 dollar bill short.
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r81984
Thread is
Premium
join:2001-11-14
St John'S, NL | Americast Ameritech already came out with tv years ago in illinois. It was called americast. | |
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Phoenix2088
join:2002-12-04
Strongsville, OH
clubs:
1 edit | Re: Americast It has since been sold to WideOpenWest. The americast service was actually cable, not some TV service delivered over a flavor of DSL. | |
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blackjeep
join:2001-07-12
Atlanta, GA | Re: Americast ACTUALLY....Americast was Fiber, not some flavor of Cable. And you're absolutely right, Americast is not a flavor of DSL either, it is a VIDEO service. | |
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Phoenix2088
join:2002-12-04
Strongsville, OH
clubs:
4 edits | Re: Americast No you are incorrect, amercast was not completely fiber. It uses a HFC (Hybrid-Fiber Coaxial) network setup. It is just like any other cable company, Comcast, TWC etc that Ameritech/SBC owned and operated (Now owned by WideOpenWest). | |
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Blasterbator
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Jackson, MS
·Cox HSI
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ACTUALLY....Americast was Fiber, not some flavor of Cable. And you're absolutely right, Americast is not a flavor of DSL either, it is a VIDEO service.
ACTUALLY NOT.
The Ameritech cable properties (branded under the Americast name) acquired by SBC and later sold to WOW are traditional cable delivered over an HFC network just like every other CableCo.
Americast was a telco effort at branding their video servies offerings, but it did not specify a particular means of delivery.
»telephonyonline.com/ar/telecom_wow_deal/
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Saying "Video Service" does not specify the underlying method of delivery.
You can have a "Video Service" delivered by a variety of means including a QAM HFC Network, Satellite, IP over DSL, ATM over DSL, etc. etc. etc. | |
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Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Americast was owned by SNET i thought. | |
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Iceblink8
By your command
Premium
join:2002-03-21
San Diego, CA | if they build it I will come..... If SBC IP TV can bring me Sci Fi in HDTV I would try it.They cant be any worse than time warner. I so miss cox cable. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
2 edits | Re: if they build it I will come..... As was pointed out above I took the time to check out the HD programing on Dish Network and it just isn't worth it yet, now if they come out with an HD Anime Channel.........:D
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| | Pootie Tang
join:2003-03-18
Sacramento, CA | Re: if they build it I will come.....
soo..whats up w/ that "VOOM" service or network or whatever they are..iv never heard of anyone i know or anyone i dont know whose ever subscribed. do hey have any major or potential in all this hdtv stuff?
just curious. | |
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imrf
Premium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI
·WOW Internet and C..
| Re: if they build it I will come..... said by Pootie Tang :soo..whats up w/ that "VOOM" service heh.. it flopped. From what I have been reading it's going to be up for sale soon, supposedly to Dish Network. | |
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IGGY
No Guru Just Here To Help
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL | "whats up w/ that "VOOM" service or network or whatever they are"
Read news from last week here to answer that question. Ok I'll be nice and link it.:D
»Cablevision to Sell Voom | |
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TrainBuff
The New Haven Railroad
Premium
join:2003-05-01
Buffalo, NY
clubs: | Re: if they build it I will come..... And "VOOM's" still advertising on TV in the Buffalo area. | |
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join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | I can already get FREE HDTV over the air
I like to see more channel beside, WB, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS and FOX | |
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imrf
Premium
join:2002-06-06
Utica, MI
·WOW Internet and C..
| Re: if they build it I will come..... said by jdir :I like to see more channel beside, WB, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS and FOX Then pay for them. Only local channels will be free over the air. All the rest, such as HBO-HD, Discovery-HD, ESPN-HD and so on, are premium channels and will never be free OTA. | |
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA | 20-25Mbps Over DSL? Gee, is that for folks that live like 5000 feet from CO? some of us can't even get DSL. And I live like 19000 feet from a CO, and a stone throw to one of the large ISP down the block.
Sad aint it? | |
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| bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: 20-25Mbps That's using the ADSL2+ standard. Also the Telco's plan on ditching their copper feeder pairs and chop most runs to under 5k. | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | if one can get digital cable at any range then why cant the digital DSL signal travel the same distance? digitalCATV and DSL both travel over copper.
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| | evilpiggy
join:2004-04-24
San Francisco, CA
1 edit | Re: 20-25Mbps it's not how or if they can... they refuse to do something that would compete with their old sales plans that they suck $$$ from their clients. Its max out the profits and give you old tech. and low speeds. If you look at old DSL tech and the speed + distance deal you can push 8mb to the max distance SBC and other providers say they only can get 1.5 to your prem. they don't do this due to line or distance problems ..the fact is they do it because they can get away with seling low band with for $$$ to us and we can't do anything about it.Telco's set the standard for low speeds and high price then a gradual price reduction to maximize profit and get more clients... Cable broad band is guilty of this too. when they do offer higher band with they will find away to get more $$ out of each Mb of data be sec speed.
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Blasterbator
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Jackson, MS
·Cox HSI
| Re: Greater capacity ... Yes, of course
They can have an unlimited number of channels. But how do they intend to send multiple streams of full quality HDTV in addition to internet service?
You can do anything you want as long as it doesn't use more than 20-25 Mbps per DSL line
The HD spec for digital delivery is 19.2 Mbps. You can crunch it more if you are willing to give up some quality.
The standard bit-rate for SD is between 3 and 4 Mbps.
So in theory you "could" deliver (1) HD channel, (1) SD channel simultaneously and still have a Mbps or two left over for data traffic.
Unlike current cable television and satellite delivery using a "broadcast" network, with DSL the video will all be switched, the channel will only be sent to your home from the CO (or whatever the video distribution point is in a given telco's network architecture) if you select the channel.
If you want more channel capacity beyond what can be delivered using 20-25 Mbps per DSL link, then you are going to have to provision another DSL line on a separate copper pair. | |
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| | astint1
join:2004-12-20
Houston, TX
| Its already been done in some neighbohoods People in Houston should already know about Clearworks from Eagle Broadband. Their site is »www.eaglebroadband.com/services/ .
TV, Phone, Internet and Security all over 10Mbps Fiber to the Curb. They don't block ports so your neighbors will show up in Network Neighborhood/My Network Places. | |
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removed
It is your birthday.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-02-08
Houston, TX
clubs: | Re: Its already been done in some neighbohoods »www.thelakesoneldridge.com/
Uh, yeah, except it's not worth the cost. Starting in the 700's! PASS. | |
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Mrwho
join:2003-04-11
Morgan City, LA | SBC/Bellsouth I live in south Louisiana and SBC/Bellsouth are currently reselling Direct TV down here in Louisiana. | |
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| evilpiggy
join:2004-04-24
San Francisco, CA
| SBC/Bellsouth who are they kiidding Actually, in the states we are getting screwed for anything based on cable or DSL ... SBC and most other UK and North American Telco¡Çs are so far behind in laying dark fiber and high speed internet access to residents and small buz. It would take years of catching up to match some of their Asian ¡ÈKorean + Japan ¡Èand Few Euro base counter parts. SBC is way behind Verizon in laying fiber ... which is why SBC decided to stop laying fiber to the building and just drop it to the curb and out side impo's.
UK and North American Cable and Telco have been treating us like suckers. Draining us of $ for les than par speeds and broadband DSL access speeds. SBC should have been laying dark fiber back in the mid 90's instead of going cheap and pushing the Project Pronto deal... if they wanted to push higher speeds they can now but it's more profit to charge us high amount for less than par service and speeds, both up load and down loads.
for the price SBC and cable charges for 3mb service you can get 100mb speeds from providers in Japan and even higher in Seoul+ Suwon and large area's of South Korea. DoCoMo has wireless services that are still cheaper than SBC DSL prices and have a speed of 11mb sec.
Until good old Ed " SBC " and other Telco¡Çs get a clue and spend cash on a real network. IN 10 years they will find their selves with a crumbling and rusty network and very P.O customers. NTT Japan provides Broadband VDSL services for Line service charge one Plan \3,100 (\3,255 tax included)
another Plan \2,600 (\2,730 tax included)100 Mbps device \500 (\525 tax included)70 Mbps device \450 (\472.5 tax included)50 Mbps device \400 (\420 tax included) right now you can try the convert 110 yen = 1 USD ... 40 USD is around 4100 yen. And there are other providers. Too »www.asahi-net.or.jp/en/f-c-1.html
In Korea you can get 100 uploads and close to 150mb or high Downloads.
So think of what SBC is offering now and what they say they will offer us in the near future then ask yourself why are they not servicing us better and actually grow and building up a network and not just patching up something to squeeze more money out of us for old technology. | |
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
 ·Dreamhost
·Armstrong Zoom In..
| I say rip I say that SBC TV will bust.
I currently have and like SBC Yahoo! DSL, and am awaiting an internet speed update, but TV over ADSL2/VDSL?
They are claiming (as stated) 20-25 at lesser loop. Many in the forums now say they can't even acheive half the speeds that are advertised (bad lines, distance, etc.). So how will SBC accomodate what is already built?
How will SBC provide TV to multiple rooms with all the content they are claiming? I can barely see getting standard TV pipe to 1 TV on that speed... and what about HD? I say the fiber-to-the-home (FTTH or FTTP) could do it fine, but I have my doubts about ADSL2 or VDSL. I have heard of VDSL2 getting better speeds but I am still a sceptic untill they can cover the same ammount of area that cable can and do so while providing multiple TV signals, HD content, and internet in one bundle.
When this is released to the public I will wait to see what people think before rushing to it.
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| evilpiggy
join:2004-04-24
San Francisco, CA
1 edit | Re: I say rip VDSL is fiber to prem... and it can reach an easy 100mb up and down in speed....
i posted this last night... "
Actually, in the states we are getting screwed for anything based on cable or DSL ... SBC and most other UK and North American Telco¡Çs are so far behind in laying dark fiber and high speed internet access to residents and small buz. It would take years of catching up to match some of their Asian ¡ÈKorean + Japan ¡Èand Few Euro base counter parts. SBC is way behind Verizon in laying fiber ... which is why SBC decided to stop laying fiber to the building and just drop it to the curb and out side impo's.
UK and North American Cable and Telco have been treating us like suckers. Draining us of $ for les than par speeds and broadband DSL access speeds. SBC should have been laying dark fiber back in the mid 90's instead of going cheap and pushing the Project Pronto deal... if they wanted to push higher speeds they can now but it's more profit to charge us high amount for less than par service and speeds, both up load and down loads.
for the price SBC and cable charges for 3mb service you can get 100mb speeds from providers in Japan and even higher in Seoul+ Suwon and large area's of South Korea. DoCoMo has wireless services that are still cheaper than SBC DSL prices and have a speed of 11mb sec.
Until good old Ed " SBC " and other Telco¡Çs get a clue and spend cash on a real network. IN 10 years they will find their selves with a crumbling and rusty network and very P.O customers. NTT Japan provides Broadband VDSL services for Line service charge one Plan \3,100 (\3,255 tax included)
another Plan \2,600 (\2,730 tax included)100 Mbps device \500 (\525 tax included)70 Mbps device \450 (\472.5 tax included)50 Mbps device \400 (\420 tax included) right now you can try the convert 110 yen = 1 USD ... 40 USD is around 4100 yen. And there are other providers. Too »www.asahi-net.or.jp/en/f-c-1.html
In Korea you can get 100 uploads and close to 150mb or high Downloads.
So think of what SBC is offering now and what they say they will offer us in the near future then ask yourself why are they not servicing us better and actually grow and building up a network and not just patching up something to squeeze more money out of us for old technology."
we are just being screwed... 1.5 was good 7 years ago when DSL first hit USA but common its time to get fiber people. | |
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| jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
·Dreamhost
·Armstrong Zoom In..
| First off, VDSL is not fiber to the prem. It is nothing more than a newer technology that uses the same ol' copper phone lines you have now.
VDSL I doubt could reach 100mb/s (unless your like 2 inches from the CO). I have heard that ADSL2+ can get about 20-25mb, VDSL gets about 50mb. I have heard that they are testing VDSL2 that gets 100mb, but will not be on the market for a while.
Currently I am not sure what SBC will use, it seems that from some news postings they may use ADSL2 or they may use VDSL.
Secondly, you are right, the telcos are waaay behind and it will be a miracle to see them offer video service with all the cable and satellite companies competing already.
Thirdly, SBC is not doing fiber to the curb, they specifically stated that a while back. They are doing it to the node, which I had not heard of until now but I think it is like a mini RT. Basically does the same thing as an RT but is small enough to hang on a pole in the middle of a neighborhood. I am not 100% on that so don't quote me as I have said I had not heard of a NODE before, and cannot seem to find any info on it.
Also, unlike what they are promising, I believe in most places they will not expand nodes out in many areas but rather have fiber run to a CO or RT and basically only have service to those who are (now) within the limited distance from the CO or RT.
I think Verizon's plan is better, will take longer, but better getting fiber straight to the home. If Verizon were to deploy FTTP in my area I would switch in a heartbeat. I would take Verizon's service with MSN Premium (don't get me wrong, I like Yahoo but MSN seems better).
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