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The dumb don't know anything until it's too late anyway...
I say even thieves have to make a living and if you can't tell the difference don't use computers. -- anon43@gmail.com | |
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| Re: Great! Sorry dude, I am educated and I refuse to use Firefox!
If you(or anyone else) decide(s) you/they want to use Firefox, That's cool! More power to you/them!
Have a great day!  -- No Firefox here, move along! | |
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Sorry dadkins.
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I will contuine to use IE until it dies. i have no problems with it, no problems with my computer either... Common Sense works wonders! -- Join DSLR/BBR RC5 Team!Click Here for deatils »DSLR RC5 FAQ | |
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| said by Chump :i agree.. Not all "educated" people use firefox... I will contuine to use IE until it dies. i have no problems with it, no problems with my computer either... Common Sense works wonders! Common sense is good, but not infallable. Remember Download.Ject? Various well-known and respected ("trusted") web sites got infected, and users visiting those sites would too, if they browsed them in IE with most normal features (Active Scripting) enabled. So while common sense is a solid part of security, using safer software is also part of it, and those with the most common sense of all, don't use unsafe browsers. So, not everyone that uses Firefox is "educated", but "educated" users do use Firefox, primarily. | |
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| Re: Great! said by VirtualLarry : said by Chump :i agree.. Not all "educated" people use firefox... I will contuine to use IE until it dies. i have no problems with it, no problems with my computer either... Common Sense works wonders! So, not everyone that uses Firefox is "educated", but "educated" users do use Firefox, primarily. No not educated users use Firefox Primarily.. there are other educated users out there who use IE or other alternative browsers out there. -- Join DSLR/BBR RC5 Team!Click Here for deatils »DSLR RC5 FAQ | |
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| Re: Great! said by Chump :No not educated users use Firefox Primarily.. there are other educated users out there who use IE or other alternative browsers out there. I'm just saying, IE + "common sense" has already been proven through two widespread incidents not to be "safe". Firefox + "common sense" .. thus far, has indeed proven to be "safe". | |
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join:2000-12-01 New York, NY | Re: Great! the new century started in 2001 so technically he was elected in the 20th century. see my point again proven. | |
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Are you saying that everyone who disagrees with you is dumb?
You are a chooch and your breeding privileges are henceforth revoked. -- CRUNCH THIS!
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| Re: Great! said by rit56 :why not only is he dumb but his administration is fleecing the treasury. he came into office with the biggest surplus in history and he created the biggest deficit in history. all the stealing and you reelect him. we'll see how you feel when the dollar collapses. A ten year projection on paper is not a surplus it's a pipe dream. Your dumb ass president gutted the milliary and the CIA so we had no real human intelligence to foresee 9/11 coming.
GWB is dumb like a fox when it comes to the chicken little (the sky is falling) party.
B.O.T. MS, better software by marketing. Anything but IE and the OS it's tied too. -- "We know the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong. Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm?" --John Page wrote to Thomas Jefferson | |
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Please create a new thread.
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| Re: Great! said by Anonymous :that Bible-waving turd in Washington If you make assine, off the cuff remarks like that you really have no business complaining that people get off topic. -- Attention all decks! Brace for whining! | |
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| said by Anonymous :WTF is wrong with you guys?? This is a thread about IE security (or the lack of) and you end up arguing about that Bible-waving turd in Washington? Please create a new thread. Thank you. Are we then allowed to call you the Anonymous Ass Wipe at DSL Reports who hates Bible-waving Turd's anywhere?
You dipstick! Who the hell do you think yourself to be? The chosen one sent to save us from ourselves?
Gawd... Thanks for your BIGOTED remarks. I needed a reminder of what bigots sound like. -- I'd rather chew sand than watch sixty seconds of 60 minutes. | |
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| Re: Great! said by DaDogs :The chosen one sent to save us from ourselves? That was a joke right?
I hope it was...
You see what I don't understand is how it's OK for us to be extremely religious and talk shit like you do (about our president being sent to save us) but if a Muslim says anything like that he's a fanatic/terrorist... -- anon43@gmail.com | |
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| Re: Great! said by Anonymous : said by DaDogs :The chosen one sent to save us from ourselves? That was a joke right? I hope it was...  You see what I don't understand is how it's OK for us to be extremely religious and talk shit like you do (about our president being sent to save us) but if a Muslim says anything like that he's a fanatic/terrorist... No, if a Muslim says anything like "Bible waving turd." He is a bigot, in exactly the same way that I would be a bigot if I said, "rag headed jew haters".
I didn't say anything about the President either way. I called you a bigot. You, by your speech, proved yourself to be prejudiced against religious people. You used hate speech. "bible waving turd" is insulting to people who believe the bible.
It is one thing to claim fairness and quite another to live it. Try living it. -- I'd rather chew sand than watch sixty seconds of 60 minutes. | |
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BIGOT - a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.
I don't hate religious people. But I do hate people who see themselves as crusaders, people who try to convert others to their religion because their religion is 'the right one'. I respect other people's views and opinions. In fact I hate bigots. -- anon43@gmail.com | |
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I hope they make it public. I like to see IE users suffer -- anon43@gmail.com
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| Re: Firefox? It's an ActiveX exploit... so, FF cannot be affected. Well, perhaps it could be if one installed the Plug-in For Hosting ActiveX Controls: »www.iol.ie/%7Elocka/mozilla/mozilla.htm
It seems to me, IE users who are not affected must have scripting and/or ActiveX disabled. | |
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| If I Only Had a Brain All the security in the world does not make up for common sense! Anybody who falls for phishing scams these days gets what he/she deserves. I get at least 2-3 phishing scam emails a day and they all end up as Homestar Runner would say, "Beleted". Everyone should know by now that no financial institution would ask you to "verify your account" by entering in any personal information or even logging in through a hyperlink in an email. If you have any questions about your account, it is as simple as manually entering in a web address and proceeding from there. I never click links from emails. | |
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| Re: If I Only Had a Brain said by celeritypc :All the security in the world does not make up for common sense! Anybody who falls for phishing scams these days gets what he/she deserves. You know I wish this were true. I sincerely do. Unfortunately it is not true that you get what you deserve.
People, write this down and take it to the bank... You heard it here first... blah, blah, blah....
If the industry does not get a handle on these sorts of problems, the people will simply stop using these toys. You may believe that E-Mail is entrenched for the average home user, but you would be wrong. As an ISP I am starting to see a trend, users are simply starting to let their E-Mail accounts lapse. They are tired of SPAM and Phishing and all the troublesome crap that comes with maintaining a PC system. They are simply not using their mail. This sort of puts me in mind of the CB craze of the late 70's. It was, and then it was not. This Internet could do the same thing. -- I'd rather chew sand than watch sixty seconds of 60 minutes. | |
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| Re: If I Only Had a Brain said by DaDogs :If the industry does not get a handle on these sorts of problems, the people will simply stop using these toys. You may believe that E-Mail is entrenched for the average home user, but you would be wrong. As an ISP I am starting to see a trend, users are simply starting to let their E-Mail accounts lapse. Ditto. I consider e-mail to be "dead", myself. IM is the new person-to-person communications mechanism of the future. "Spam" and trojan infections via commonly-used MS software has rendered the medium of e-mail completely dead. What few are still using it, will eventually be blocked, due to either overzealous or simply incompetent admins and their blocking schemes. (Not you - thinking more about a thread I recently read in the Verizon forum, with VZ's e-mail being filtered via some anti-spam blacklists, and the users, and not even the techs, being told about the changes.) The "war on spam" has casualties, not all of them enemy combatants. said by DaDogs :They are tired of SPAM and Phishing and all the troublesome crap that comes with maintaining a PC system. They are simply not using their mail. This sort of puts me in mind of the CB craze of the late 70's. It was, and then it was not. This Internet could do the same thing. It gets worse, actually. Some people have gotten so fed up with spyware that comes packaged secretly with otherwise semi-legit apps, or via browser-based exploits/drive-by downloads, that they have decided to stop using their PCs totally. That's not good. Granted, these are the types of people that generally purchase name-brand store-bought PCs, rather than the dedicated techie types that a lot of us are, but it's still both disappointing and disturbing, that the "personal computing revolution", that promised to be so empowering, turned out to be nothing more than an enslaving, captive-marketing tool to exploit and abuse users.
It's just plain wrong, and a large part of it is due to the failings of the dominant platform software vendor - Microsoft. Only now, when the "malware plague" upon the people has reached nearly epidemic proportions, have they even started to do something about it (by purchasing Giant anti-spyware just recently). | |
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There are alternatives. -- "tick...tick...tick..." »www.jtf.org/ | |
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| Please explain When I clicked on the link to go to Securia contained in this story, I got a series of boxes that something was attempting to reconfigure my Microsoft Windows, and that a resource couldn't be found. (I run Win2K.)
I had to cancel several times to kill it; I'm not big on installing anything unless I know what it is. Doing so eventually took me to the Securia page.
Investigating further, I found an entry in Sygate's system log that something was attempting to stop the Sygate Personal Firewall at that time.
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3 edits | IE is not secure without user intervention Microsoft has done no justice for users with their default configurations, and unpatched problems which rely on the user being smart enough to know how to configure the program to avoid it, not just fixing the damn problem.
Lets take a look at non-ie browsers, they are much more secure, if not improbable to even remotely do anything malicious on the users system, why isn't IE like this? Maybe because Microsoft doesn't care to fix their product?
Many users use 3rd party programs to protect the users account from IE, which shows you that IE is an exploit waiting to happen! All due to their proprietary technologies which are the source for the exploits for the most part.
Lets not blame Joe & Jane average, blame MS for not fixing their damn software! HacktiveX runs as native code on your system which is VERY BAD, and IE let this hacktiveX run on the users system... There is a reason IE is the cause of most of the exploits on many peoples computers, 2nd only to user ignorance. -- My hourly rates: $25 per hour. $35 per hour if you want to watch. $45 per hour if you want to help. $75 per hour if you tried to fix it, and failed. The biggest error is sitting in front of your keyboard. | |
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| Re: IE is not secure without user intervention I totally agree - if this was the auto industry there would be mandatory recall. If banks left their accounts this vulnerable the SEC would investigate. As society in general, pushed by the government and geniuses like Michael Powell, uses e-commerce and e-banking more and more, the powers that be, mainly in the regulatory agencies and the legislative branch, have an obligation to ensure that the outfit (MS) that THEY allowed to stay a monopoly is providing us with reasonably safe products.
So far there have been 10,000,000 downloads of Firefox. But how many win boxes are there in the world? 900,000,000? 1 billion?
And, as I said before, these phishing thingies are not done by script-kiddies. It's the Outfit in one or several of its various incarnations - Sicilian, Russian, el Quada, whoever - and these guys WILL take all your money and your social #, and your name and anything else they can pry loose.
It's really infuriating, especially in the wake of the much ballyhooed SP2. Is this how they plan to sell Longhorn? By PROMISING us, the gullible public that "this time we have it all nailed down, FER SURE. Just send a few hundred more bucks to Redmond and we PROMISE you'll be safe." What an evil scam. | |
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| Test site is blocked with SP2 AND Google toolbar.. Tested the Secunia test site with IE6, XP with servicepack 2 and Google toolbar with popup blocker installed. The test site did not show, however, Google toolbar popup blocker was going nuts and the popup blocker count was going up one or two counts every second that I was on the test page.
If Google Toolbar popup blocker is intercepting the phishing exploit, is it a possible problem with SP2's popup blocker?
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| didnt open... Using Firefox here, and it didnt open a link. I am assuming this is a good thing. I switched from IE to firefox only a few weeks ago. As far as I know, IE has never given me any problems. Then again, thats as far as I know hehe...
Firefox seems to run faster, load pages quicker, etc. Just my opinion. | |
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| Calling Jeremy! I'd like to see what Jeremy341 thinks of this. 
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join:2004-05-12 | Re: Calling Jeremy! why is everyone making IE such a bad thing?..and Firefox is so superior..just depends on your personal opinion on each..keep it to yourself..i see it as
Firefox-browser IE-another browser
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| IE or FireFox Made the changes to IE and I'm unable to bring up the test link at all. I hope it was a good thing to disable active X until Microsoft comes up with the fix. But I think I'll just stick with FireFox for now.:)
A little off topic but does anyone know of a good spell checker(similar to iespell)that works with FireFox and is simple to install? | |
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| Re: Microsoft is one huge flaw said by antiphishing :All I have to say is two words " Firefox" and " Thunderbird" Not to pick on any one person, but I really can't wait until 2 years from now and all you geeks and wannabe geeks decide to move on to your next favorite obscure item. Eventually Firefox will become too popular and you will all trash it just like you did with Google. -- Attention all decks! Brace for whining! | |
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| Re: Microsoft is one huge flaw said by Combat Chuck : said by antiphishing :All I have to say is two words " Firefox" and " Thunderbird" Not to pick on any one person, but I really can't wait until 2 years from now and all you geeks and wannabe geeks decide to move on to your next favorite obscure item. Eventually Firefox will become too popular and you will all trash it just like you did with Google. Maybe they will use IE. It will be obscure by that time  -- anon43@gmail.com | |
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| said by Combat Chuck : said by antiphishing :All I have to say is two words " Firefox" and " Thunderbird" Not to pick on any one person, but I really can't wait until 2 years from now and all you geeks and wannabe geeks decide to move on to your next favorite obscure item. Eventually Firefox will become too popular and you will all trash it just like you did with Google. Chuck;
This argument is a non-sequitor. You believe that usage equates to security vulnerabilities. I see no reason to believe that once Firefox has properly stomped IE, it will then become the achilles heel of Microsoft, as IE already has become.
You assume something which should not be assumed. Inexperience has a way of doing that.
We will see, when we see, unless you have some way to predict the future...
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| said by Combat Chuck :Not to pick on any one person, but I really can't wait until 2 years from now and all you geeks and wannabe geeks decide to move on to your next favorite obscure item. Eventually Firefox will become too popular and you will all trash it just like you did with Google. Huh? I've been using "Mozilla" (in one form or another), since I downloaded Netscape 1.0 from ftp.mcom.com. Some of us have always preferred it, and aren't just using it because of the recent hype. | |
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| My Results IE: Asked me to allow an ActiveX component (safe for scripting) to run. When I allowed it, it loaded Paypal's Web site (along with about six windows I couldn't get to show) and then crashed. Disallowing that component to run only brings up a warning bar on top. IE6, SP2.
Firefox: Doesn't do a thing when I click the link.
Opera: Likewise. -- This post is my own, and does not reflect the opinions of my employers, friends, family, enemies, perfect strangers, people who think I look like Pacey from "Dawson's Creek", the aliens plotting world domination, or the government mind control waves. | |
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Firefox: Nothing
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| Re: My Results said by entropy1 :Well, gee...all those pop ups are not a clue at all that something isn't right. (Sarcasm.) I use Avant (yes, IE) and cannot stand how slow Firefox seems. I've never had much of a problem with IE. Maybe this is because I AM educated. A better education would not have made me any more tolerant of what I perceive to be slow and annoying. These are just my opinions. Do not beat me.  Or perhaps, you should have investigated further what might have been the cause of your slowdowns with Firefox, since most seem to think both IE and FF render at nearly the same speeds. I'll agree that older versions of Moz had some slowdown issues in places, but FF releases near 1.0 are quite "snappy". | |
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| Will It EVER end? Will the continuous stream of M$ vulnerabilites which stem from the, "IE is part of the OS.", lie ever end?
Somehow I see poetic justice in the fact that no matter what M$ does to stem the hemmorages thru IE, they fail.
Ya, know when you LIE to a judge, and to the legal system, when you tell people that the browser just HAS to be part of the OS, you deserve what follows. This is what follows.
M$, you suck, we know it, and my heart is not bleeding for Microsux... not the tiniest bit.
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