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 | bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Slow As always that's not the limit. ADSL2+ can go upwards of 25Mb/s. They're just capping it at that rate because they have plans for the rest of the bandwidth and they can't unsell something they've sold. | |
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FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
Premium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL
1 edit | hah, i said it and its happening, bellsouth once again dosent give the customer what they want to try to get as much money as they can with providing as little service as they can...
oh well at least its faster than 1.5/3mbits... but still complete crap upload speeds... 512kb? 768kb? please...
also why invest all this money in ADSL2 equipment when they could be investing that into their fiber deployments?
more patches on the customers leaking to cable internet access that is cheaper, quite franky faster, and *usually* (depending on ISP) just as reliable... of course YMMV by area and such, but still.... | |
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join:2004-08-05
San Diego, CA | Re: Slow lol... I agree. I am using 6mbits/608k adsl service right now. ADSL2 has to be at least 10mbits. | |
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FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
Premium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL
| Re: Slow said by green_boy35  :lol... I agree. I am using 6mbits/608k adsl service right now. ADSL2 has to be at least 10mbits. yes but you obviously dont have bellsouth 
i have to deal with these people more than i care to
even their fiber stuff they dont have a clue...
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| | raydsltech
join:2004-07-04
Concord, NC
| >>also why invest all this money in ADSL2 equipment when they could be investing that into their fiber deployments?
because they can reach many many more customers with the plant they have now, not with the plant that they don't have or may have in the future. | |
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fdgfdfg
@attbi.com
| Invest in fiber like Verizon? I'm a verizon customer and Verizon hasn't botherd to roll out the DSL yet. It looks like I'll have to wait untill I can Get FIOS....20 years down the road! Bellsouths deployment of ADSL2 will give them a bigger and faster return on their investment. | |
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| brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | Did Bellsouth notice they are loosing customer's : ( poor them | |
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TrustedZero
join:2001-08-25
Claremont, CA | ADSL2+ Why would you role out ADSL2+ when the speeds it will support can already be supported by ADSL? | |
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asdfjkl123
@bellsouth.net | Re: ADSL2+ Those speeds are for surfing. The rest of the 20+ megs per sec are for IPTV and VoIP. | |
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starstuff
Fly By Wire
Premium
join:2001-12-05
Mcallen, TX
| said by TrustedZero :Why would you role out ADSL2+ when the speeds it will support can already be supported by ADSL? Bundling of additional services!
VOIP, IPTV and the most important reason, extended reach. In a few words the whole enchilada. | |
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danza
Premium
join:2002-08-23 | Yay competition Awesome, now there is a reason for SBC to push their ADSL2+ into the '05 market  . | |
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| bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Yay competition Not really. SBC and BST don't compete against each other in the ADSL business. If anything it'd be competing for shareholders. | |
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bigdaddy17
join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL
| Re: Yay competition 4-6mbps can be pushed over a regular ADSL line. BellSouth announced that they were going to invest $34 billion into their whole infrastructure to upgrade to ADSL2+ (25mbps). Seriously if they are going to invest all that money for only 4-6mbps that would be a huge mistake. Hopefully with that much we will be able to see 25mbps. The distance rates for ADSL2+ are very critical as for speed goes. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Yay competition Because they can beat the cable companies in terms of speed but they'll be able to offer more services. As always bundling is where the money's at. | |
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altdel
join:2003-08-20
Danville, CA | ADSL2+ speed could be up to 25Mbps According the the ADSL2+ standard, speed could be as high as 25Mbps (under ~3000 ft), 20Mbps (under ~5000 ft), 10Mbps (under ~8K), 6Mbps (~10,000 ft), 4Mbps (~12,000 ft) etc.
So, why only 4-6Mbps? | |
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Sean
The Great Divide
join:2004-01-23
Richmond Hil
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| Re: ADSL2+ speed could be up to 25Mbps said by altdel :According the the ADSL2+ standard, speed could be as high as 25Mbps (under ~3000 ft), 20Mbps (under ~5000 ft), 10Mbps (under ~8K), 6Mbps (~10,000 ft), 4Mbps (~12,000 ft) etc. So, why only 4-6Mbps? Because their competition isn't at over 6 Mbps.
Cable can go up to 38 Mbps, but I don't see cable companies offering 38 Mbps (though that probably has a bit to do with the fact that they're overloaded nodes would crumble  ). | |
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join:2003-08-20
Danville, CA
| Re: ADSL2+ speed could be up to 25Mbps I thought the driving force for deploying ADSL2+ is Triple Play, i.e., Data, voice & video. The cable companies have all three services and the Telcos only have data and voice.
Maybe they'll announce their broadcast TV, Video-on-demand services later on.... | |
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| Zorglub
join:2000-11-18
Fremont, CA | With that kind of distance limitation, ADSL2 is useless until we get FTTC. | |
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wnorman
join:2002-01-30
Macclenny, FL
| "According the the ADSL2+ standard, speed could be as high as 25Mbps (under ~3000 ft), 20Mbps (under ~5000 ft), 10Mbps (under ~8K), 6Mbps (~10,000 ft), 4Mbps (~12,000 ft) etc."
The distance charts that are published are very very pessimistic. I work at an independent telco, and have tested 10+Mbps at 14K+ ft out (my house). I have also tested over 1.5mbps at 22Kft out, but I didn't try to test for max speed at this distance. This is a huge upgrade over g.dmt, even though the charts don't necessarily show it. | |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
Premium
join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
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·AT&T Midwest
| That is slow but... For Bell South it is a pretty big step. Not everyone is in heaven (SBC territory) and could get 3mbps/512kbps for $39.95. For a Bell South customer that would be a major step.
Hence the "at first" listed in the article. That could be just initially, then with time they'll keep increasing it. Kind of like what happened here with "ADSL 1". 2 years ago 1.5mbps was super.
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FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
Premium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL
| Re: That is slow but... said by dslwanter :For Bell South it is a pretty big step. Not everyone is in heaven (SBC territory) and could get 3mbps/512kbps for $39.95. For a Bell South customer that would be a major step. Hence the "at first" listed in the article. That could be just initially, then with time they'll keep increasing it. Kind of like what happened here with "ADSL 1". 2 years ago 1.5mbps was super. 1.5mbits was super until webpages got more fancy and windows updates got bigger
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heaphus
Geaux Tigers
Premium
join:2003-04-12
Franklinton, LA
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1 edit | Another year It looks like some markets will go to 25Mbps in 2006. Probably after they get the fiber to the curb
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@newsouth.com | Re: Another year Most major telco's including BST are running fiber to the premise on new installations as of late last year or early this year...
I have BST 3MB service and cannot complain.
Even though I do not have fiber to the prem. | |
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Automate
join:2001-06-26
Atlanta, GA | Headline should read $2 billion not $2 million 2 million is pocket change to BellSouth | |
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| ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA
| Re: Headline should read $2 billion not $2 million Yeah, I caught that, too. At first I thought, "$2 Million is less than what the CEO pockets as a bonus. What a joke." So, I went to the news source link and learned the Billion, not Million difference. Come'on, DSLR, get your facts straight. You can tell the difference between million and billion, right?  | |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO |  is bellsouth a small outfit?
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
upstate NJ
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| Re: is bellsouth a small outfit? You're right $2,000,000 is nothing at all. I think it is a good price for them to provide these speeds to people in 2005. The thing I hope I don't see is them saying we don't have to upgrade after putting in only $2,000,000. 5-6mbps is NOT a next generation network, FIBER TO THE HOME is.... The thing is this is VERY cheap so it is worthwhile for the next 2 years or so, but after that this type of bandwidth will be considered slow.
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xblcom
join:2003-03-30
Miami, FL | IFITL I wonder if users on IFITL would be part of the "select markets" that BS plans to start servicing first next year; since we already have FTTC. | |
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bigdaddy17
join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL
| Re: IFITL said by xblcom:
I wonder if users on IFITL would be part of the "select markets" that BS plans to start servicing first next year; since we already have FTTC.
I would think so. The IFITL users are already set up for this new infrastructure. Since its fiber fed to the pedestal from maybe an RT, it is then copper to the house over 2 pair (RJ45). | |
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vietboii615
join:2004-05-20
Brentwood, TN | Quesition umm is it just me or the thing say 2 million becuase i read the article and it says it will cost bs 2 billion to upgrade thier network | |
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sweepy17
join:2004-07-21
Apex, NC
| Problem is their tech support !!! I left cable for Bell South DSL in July... I am now back to cable in December. Download speeds were all over the place, had to reboot the moden 4-5 times every day and my Lingo voip sounded terrible....But not now...I got Beep-Beep again. Also their tech support is non existant unless you can speak Hindu or perhaps Phillipino. Everytime I called I had a different accent with limited english trying to read from a script. If you move to BS you will be sorry.
Oh, Did I mention their pop3 server down more than up ? | |
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MichelBolton
I'M Planning To Plan
join:2001-10-24
Round Lake, IL
clubs:
| ADSL2+ Huh? The dumbph*cks at SBC around me can't even get ADSL ver. 1 right. By the time they figure out how to get it working, there will be low level satellites offering T-1 speed for $4.95/month.
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| weedahoe
join:2003-09-14
Duluth, GA | Re: ADSL2+ Huh? my max d/l and u/l on my line is 8.7mb down and 920kb up, why cant BS just unlock the cap on my line and let me get that? I'd be happy with that! | |
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| | batmanst
join:2003-12-23
Beverly Hills, CA | Re: ADSL2+ Huh? batmanst yes that's me lol. because 8.0/1.0 is going to cost ya! say 99.00 a month? | |
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NetDroid2
join:2004-08-16
Excelsior, MN
1 edit | What about the rest of us? I'm sorry, I hate to change the subject...
But what about all the rest of us that have Qwest and other providers?
We don't seem to ever see any of these speeds and especially the prices.
Last I checked prices for Qwest(MSN) were $53.99-59.99 for 1.5/896.
The download seems pretty pathetic but the upload looks great.
My current Cable Internet Mediacom is $45.95 for 3/256.
I would love to see some of theses SBC and BS prices and speeds around here!!!
Compare the above to the prices that keep getting quoted on Broadband Reports and it doesn't makes you feel very well. | |
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