Fee Fi Fo Fios Our users await giant undertaking Tuesday Nov 30 2004 14:54 EDT From the moment the first resident of Keller Texas posted pictures of his Verizon Fios fiber install, he received adoration (and even one marriage proposal) from many of our site regulars. Users all around the country aren't waiting for Santa Clause, they're waiting for Verizon vans carrying spools of un-laid fiber optic cable. Users in deployment areas have offered us the brochures they're receiving (zipped pdf) as well as local advertisements (pdf 1, pdf2). The skinny for those who don't know: 5Mbps can be had for between $34.95 and $39.95 depending on the services you bundle. 15Mbps can be had for between $44.95 to $49.95. 30Mbps is currently being offered as a business service for $200 a month. Verizon has announced that there are nine states in which deployment is currently underway: •Parts of Huntington Beach and Murrieta, as well as portions of Riverside, Orange and San Bernardino counties in California •Parts of Delaware •Parts of North Tampa (if they can stop rupturing lines), as well as Hillsborough and Pasco counties in Florida •Parts of Montgomery County in the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area in Maryland •Parts of Essex and Middlesex counties in Massachusetts •Parts of Nassau, Rockland and Westchester counties in New York •Parts of Bucks and Chester counties in Pennsylvania •Parts of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex in Texas, as well as Colleyville, Grapevine and Southlake •Parts of Arlington, Fairfax and Loudoun counties, as well as the communities of Falls Church, Leesburg and Herndon in Virginia The company is warming up users in other locations to the idea of a 2005 launch. Users in upstate New York are being told they could see fiber next year, but Verizon is "not at a point where we can identify what those communities are because those plans could change", according to an executive. One local Union leader confirms both the work, and that the service "will blow the doors off anything else, and I'm glad we're a part of it. I'm glad it's coming up here." While there should be enthusiasm, especially surrounding the 3-5,000 new jobs Verizon says the project will bring, said enthusiasm does need some tempering. The project could consume more than half a decade, and as it stands now, there are only a few scattered Texas suburbs that actually have the service up and running. Each install in Keller Texas is estimated to have cost in excess of $1,000 a pop. Those prices will make it financially necessary to cherry pick the most dense and lucrative neighborhoods over the next few years. Users currently struggling to get DSL shouldn't hold their breath for Fios. For some global perspective, the NTT Group in Japan will spend $47 billion on expanding fiber to the home for nearly half the Japanese population. Compare that to Verizon's effort: $800,000 to be spent this year, and $3 billion to be spent by the end of 2005. It's also very important to note that Verizon promises tend to be fickle mistresses. NTT's plan covers some 30 million homes and apartments, in a country where double digit megabit per second speeds can be had for the same price many Americans are paying for dial-up AOL. Verizon's plan hopes to pass (not necessarily serve) a million U.S. homes this year. Granted Japan has 336 people per mile to every 29.5 in the United States, but we've also been much less bullish on getting fiber deployed. While the United States was the birthplace of the Internet, it now ranks thirteenth globally in broadband adoption behind countries like Belgium and Iceland. As of this year, 146,500 American homes are connected to fiber. With the bells finally embracing inevitable upgrades, hopefully that number will quickly rise and speed tests like the following (from Keller, Texas) will become more commonplace: 2004-08-25 13:48:32 EST: 14679 / 1794Your download speed : 15031536 bps, or 14679 kbps. A 1834.9 KB/sec transfer rate. Your upload speed : 1837109 bps, or 1794 kbps. For those interested on keeping tabs on Fios deployment in your area, keep an eye on this thread in our Verizon forum. |
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oliphant
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2004-Nov-30 2:22 pm
HB Yay!I'll believe it when I see it though. Some parts of HB don't even have regular DSL deployment yet. Wonder if this is what got us the 5Mb trials from Roadrunner. | |
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2004-Nov-30 2:24 pm
i wishi wish they would wire az up with it i want 2mb up drool, wouldnt mind the 30mb down either | |
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2004-Dec-1 12:09 am
Re: i wishsaid by the niTz:i wish they would wire az up with it i want 2mb up drool, wouldnt mind the 30mb down either thats really a sad speed on the upload for fibre. people in grant county are getting 100mbit SYMETRICAL for $25. course this is the PHONE COMPANY. cant expect too good a deal. | |
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2004-Dec-1 12:29 am
Re: i wisho dont get me wrong i wouldnt mind having a 100mbit line:p but just for starters that 30/2 deal would be heaven from 5/768 | |
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2004-Nov-30 2:29 pm
WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area...we're as dense as anybody else! | |
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2004-Nov-30 2:39 pm
Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area...ain't that the truth... | |
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2004-Nov-30 2:59 pm
Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area...Their speed isn't all that great...
2004-11-30 14:58:24 EST: 36859 / 8015 Your download speed : 37744162 bps, or 36859 kbps. A 4607.4 KB/sec transfer rate. Your upload speed : 8207934 bps, or 8015 kbps. | |
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Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area...Yes, only 12 times faster than my cable connection and not using the full pipe. | |
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2004-Nov-30 4:17 pm
Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area...Ya, no crap, and I'm on the fastest package. | |
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Where on earth did you perform that bandwidth test from? Your download speed : 37744162 bps, or 36859 kbps. A 4607.4 KB/sec transfer rate. Your upload speed : 8207934 bps, or 8015 kbps.Now that's the kind of connection to the internet we all deserve! lol | |
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2004-Dec-1 2:57 am
Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area...2004-12-01 02:53:27 EST: 21783 / 12906 Your download speed : 22306800 bps, or 21783 kbps. A 2722.9 KB/sec transfer rate. Your upload speed : 13215859 bps, or 12906 kbps.
And that speedtest server is about 14 hops away (sea.speakeasy.net)... Not bad considering I live in a 25k person town, and am connected to a commercial ISP. (i am in ZIP 99362) | |
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2004-Dec-1 3:20 am
Re: WTF's the matter with SF Bay Area...I probably should have pointed out that my link is not even fiber, but rather microwave. Anyway, as for the ISO download comment, i am getting two debin ISOs at 1300 KB/sec each right now (2600KB/sec total) and still have a good ping: Tracing route to google.com [216.239.57.99] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms wolverine-ww-inside.vanoppen.com [64.185.104.1] 2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms core02-db-eth2-20.net.pocketinet.com [64.185.96. 105] 3 6 ms 6 ms 11 ms core01-pasco-eth0-2.net.pocketinet.com [64.185.9 7.3] 4 13 ms 13 ms 17 ms core01-sea-eth0-2.net.pocketinet.com [64.185.97. 27] 5 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms ge3-4.as.sdseawa.aleron.net [205.198.12.141] John | |
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I'm in Northridge - testing to lax.speakeasy.net on XO's OC-3 (nice to have my own OC-3).
I seem to be maxing out on thier connection though
2004-12-01 19:55:25 EST: 36859 / 7689 Your download speed : 37744162 bps, or 36859 kbps. A 4607.4 KB/sec transfer rate. Your upload speed : 7874015 bps, or 7689 kbps.
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2004-Nov-30 2:30 pm
i can hope...(Grins) I live in Essex county Mass.! Please oh please oh please | |
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Re: i can hope...check the fios thread in the forums for the cities being wired I drive threw them every day on my way to and from work. I am just hoping a real estate bubble bursts so I can afford a house in those areas. | |
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And Suffolk county | |
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Bring it to...the Chicago area please, the fastest growing area, Will County... Jake and Elwood Blues will thank you !! | |
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Re: Bring it to...Is Verizon even in your area there ? I thought that area was SBC country. | |
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Re: Bring it to...Close... We have a LOT of new homes going up out here... I want the real deal, not a half assed approach like SBC is doing ..... Wouldn't you agree ?? | |
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indeed I agree.
no one wants half assed solutions to anything. Especially what could amount to saving money. | |
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please, Please, PLEase, PLEASE, PULLL-LEEEZZ!The Bronx is waiting.... but we always get everything last....... | |
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Re: please, Please, PLEase, PLEASE, PULLL-LEEEZZ!Still waiting here in Pinellas County. | |
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You and users of Bellsouth get everything last. Heck, I remember when 3mb became the standard, we were last to get it, even charter beat us | |
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Doubting my little town will see Fios anytime soonConsidering we don't even have cable TV here, I seriously doubt FIOS will be coming here anytime soon. I keep being told by the operators on the phone that Verizon plans on getting everyone in NYS FIOS, I have a hard time believing it. | |
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I am closeI have the orange conduit tube sticking out of the ground in front of my house. I stare at it everyday, all day, waiting for it to move.
Man, I can't wait! | |
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Income levelsquote: # Parts of Huntington Beach and Murrieta, as well as portions of Riverside, Orange and San Bernardino counties in California # Parts of Delaware # Parts of North Tampa (if they can stop rupturing lines), as well as Hillsborough and Pasco counties in Florida # Parts of Montgomery County in the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area in Maryland # Parts of Essex and Middlesex counties in Massachusetts # Parts of Nassau, Rockland and Westchester counties in New York # Parts of Bucks and Chester counties in Pennsylvania # Parts of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex in Texas, as well as Colleyville, Grapevine and Southlake # Parts of Arlington, Fairfax and Loudoun counties, as well as the communities of Falls Church, Leesburg and Herndon in Virginia
i wonder what is the average level of income in those "parts" | |
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Re: Income levelsI also wonder what it costs to deploy such fiber networks? Doing so would certainly have to have some sort of justification. Do they just target the areas that have a high percentage of broadband users or a high area of competition? | |
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Re: Income levelsFrom my understanding of the info I got it depends on the areas adoption of technology to under served to income ratio. I guess it's a smart move on their part to pick up some income to spend. | |
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They finished digging up my neighborhood today, I cant wait! | |
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"Arlington, Fairfax and Loudoun counties, as well as the communities of Falls Church, Leesburg and Herndon in Virginia"
It depends, incomes in these areas are all over the place. I have Verizon DSL in Fairfax County up until the last upgrade past me by. 768/128 just wasn't cutting it anymore so I went to Cox. Now if Verizon will roll out FIOS I may consider switching back. | |
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Way above the national average. They appear to be all of the wealthy suberbs of the big metro cities on first glance.
Major cities like NYC appear to not be on that list.
There are many new areas coming online that will be in the next phase as per the jobs that Verizon is hiring for. However it likely will be months away from now till they actually deploy.
I see hirings in Queens in Hollis and College Point. Also hirings in New York city, however those say it can be either Brooklyn, Staten Island or Manhattan. The hiring locations are from the Central Office. In some areas, a CO can serve multiple towns. Also tons of hiring for areas around the country as well.
Hopefully my town in queens will come online by year end 2005. | |
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said by MxxCon: i wonder what is the average level of income in those "parts" Huntington Beach, CA 92649 Average Home Qualities Home Price: $737,201.42 Age: 27 yrs. Sq/Ft: 1995 sq/ft Lot Size: N/A 18.08% of residents in this area fit the following profile: Demographic: Median age is 38.8 years. Householders are between the ages of 45 and 64. Socioeconomic: Median household income is about $60,000 and more than 35 percent of the households earn $75,000 or more. Most households receive income from dividends, interest or rental properties; almost 20 percent have begun to receive retirement income or pensions. Unemployment is 50 percent lower than the national average. Over 40 percent of the adults have a college degree and/or a professional or managerial position. Residential: Comprised of owner-occupied, single-family homes, which were built between 1950 and 1969. Average home value is approximately twice the national average. Almost half of the homes are valued over $250,000 (5 times the national average). About 30 percent of the work force commutes across county or state lines. 16.94% of residents in this area fit the following profile: Demographic: Median age is 36.7 years. Socioeconomic: Median household income is slightly over $42,600. Unemployment is low. Most of the working population is employed in professional or managerial positions. More than 35 percent of adults (age 25+) have earned a college degree. Residential: Mix of single-family homes and townhouses with smaller (two to five units) rentals. Most homes are owner-occupied, including condominiums. Average home value is above the national average. 15.8% of residents in this area fit the following profile: Demographic: Almost half of the population is between the ages of 35 and 64. Median age is 41.3 years. Socioeconomic: Median household income is about $85,000. Represents one percent of all households. Sources of income include interest, dividends, or rental property income for most households, self-employment income (at twice the national average) and salaries. Almost 60 percent are occupied in executive or professional positions. More than 60 percent of the adult population (aged 25 years or older) have at least a bachelor's degree. Residential: Homes are predominantly single-family, owner-occupied, and located in established suburbs. Average home value is three times higher than the national average. About 80 percent of the homes are valued over $250,000. | |
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I can only speak for Nassau county in New York. Income levels are all over the map. In some parts, it's like Bevery Hills. $15 million homes. In other parts of the county, sometimes only a few miles away, it's not nearly as affluent. (~$100,000 homes). | |
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2004-Nov-30 2:57 pm
mostmost of us are much more interrested in another speed upgrade ie them making 3/768 the default tier for 30 a month. fiber I could care less...that's a decade away. | |
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2004-Nov-30 3:04 pm
Re: mostsaid by Vivi8:most of us are much more interrested in another speed upgrade ie them making 3/768 the default tier for 30 a month. fiber I could care less...that's a decade away. How can you say fiber is a decade away with users already on it in certain Verizon communities? | |
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Oh Hello...Mr. Alan R. Shark, do you have heart burn, is your BPL stock tanking looking at the Verizon list and seeing more potential BPL suckers gone. Each new installation is like a Holly stake in BPL's heart:D:D:D:D:):) | |
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What about us?That's nice for all you people who have broadband to get another upgrade while there are still many of us who are forced to choose between options like dial-up, ISDN, frac-T1 and similar high-cost, low-bandwidth choices. | |
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jap
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2004-Nov-30 3:18 pm
(sigh) .....No end in sight for our $60/mo, 3000/256 cable here in USA-NH. ugh. | |
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Worcester, MAIm hoping for a Worcester MA deployment | |
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2004-Nov-30 4:08 pm
Re: Worcester, MAunfortunately worcester isn't in middlesex county so i doubt it will see any fiber for the next few years. I'm right on the edge of middlesex and i when i talked to the techs deploying fiber in bedford, MA (~10 miles away!!!) they said within two years, but a local worker for verizon said Q1 of 2005 so i'm crossing my fingers. my town and area around it has a lot of new and older developments on small streets near a main road so it would be very profitable for verizon with so many houses along one single main road. | |
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2004-Nov-30 3:20 pm
If verizon can afford FIOS bandwidth .... then why can't they up plain ADSL to its theoretical maximum, 8mbit, or more, using some more proprietary technology? something isn't right. | |
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2004-Nov-30 6:49 pm
Re: If verizon can afford FIOS bandwidth ..said by justin:.. then why can't they up plain ADSL to its theoretical maximum, 8mbit, or more, using some more proprietary technology? something isn't right. Technology capable and actual network capable are two different things. The pipe isn't their. | |
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2004-Nov-30 3:28 pm
Now or later?Soo.... This stuff is going live as soon as its planted or do you have to wait? No once again I didn't read all the info | |
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kenyg
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2004-Nov-30 3:32 pm
re: FIOS "Parts of Bucks and Chester counties in Pennsylvania"
- now I live in Montgomery County, PA - which is inbetween Bucks and Chester.
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San Berdo CountyWell, it must be all the new communities in Yucaipa and its surrounding areas that are getting it, since they are building homes out there about as fast as possible.
I have not seen any VZ activity in Redlands, which is fairly affluent, at least in some parts (not my part, its a renters zone).
Well, I'm happy with the 3.0/768. I'll probably have moved by the time fiber shows up. But I know that I will be dictating my decision to live by what broadband I can get. | |
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Backhaul never mentioned...everThats because it will probably be 2 bonded T1's or a Fractional T3 linking C.O's to the Core and then...Juice Boosted carrier Pigeon to and from The Net. Oh, and the Pigeons will be oversubscribed 12:1. | |
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2004-Nov-30 4:23 pm
Would you stop, please...Editor, would you stop masturbating over that post of fiber install. I think you mention it in at least 4 articles already. Post something fresh for a change. | |
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I want my FTH tooI want some of this giant fiber install. Please can I have FTH I will eat all my broccoli. | |
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