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Yet another speed record shattered
(old news - 09:31AM Monday Nov 29 2004)
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Researchers utilizing the Internet2 network continue to shatter internet speed records, already breaking records set just months ago. According to this Caltech press release (via Slashdot) a tram of researchers won the Supercomputing Bandwidth Challenge with a sustained data transfer of 101 gigabits per second (Gbps) between Pittsburgh and Los Angeles.

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Maggs
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That would melt a normal PC

The sheer speed would burn out the HD of a normal PC. Only way to get that is to RAID some drives, and spread the load.

That's almost 10x 100 Mbps for 1 Gb
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Re: That would melt a normal PC

I can see it now.. here is my new PC mod "Meltdown"!!!
mavizao

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Worse.

Memories aren't that fast.

If i'm not wrong our current MAX transfer on memories is around 6 and some gigabytes per second (48gbps)...

So even the memory can't receive that much that fast.

I wonder how they test it.

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Re: That would melt a normal PC

PC3200 DDR has a maximum theoretical bandwidth of 3.2GBytes/second when it is 64bit. It's 6.4 when it's 128bit. You can get a MP machine that has multiple DDR controllers with it such as the Opteron. One controller per processor. A 2P machine will do 12.8GB/s, a 4P will do 25.6GB/s and an 8P will do 51.2GB/s.
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in order to do thise they are using solid state drives in a raid formation. Same stuff needed for the big SMP setups these days.

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said by Maggs See Profile:

The sheer speed would burn out the HD of a normal PC. Only way to get that is to RAID some drives, and spread the load.

That's almost 10x 100 Mbps for 1 Gb
It said gigaBITS, so it's really 101 / 8 = 12.625 GigaBytes per second. Still fast, that's an entire double sided DVD in under a second.
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Who Cares?

Why do I give a crap? I'll be rotting in the ground before the US actually sees even remotely close to 100Mbit Fiber speeds at a reasonable price.

IhatemyISP
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Re: Who Cares?

Too true...

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said by jakroo99 See Profile:

Why do I give a crap? I'll be rotting in the ground before the US actually sees even remotely close to 100Mbit Fiber speeds at a reasonable price.
Ah, here come the detractors. Right on top of the game, I'm impressed!

You know, I'm curious. If you don't care, then why post? Are you also so naive as to not see the benefits of experimentation with new hardware/materials/methods? You'll never see these speeds, but the methods they use help develop new ways of transferring data over around the world. There's more to the internet than your last mile. Consider the benefit to you if your ISP can transfer more data for the same amount or less money.
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Re: Who Cares?

The research benefit of this stuff is amazing, new ways of looking and doing things will get down to the consumer eventually. Anyone saying who cares is shortsighted and should look more then 1 minute into the future.
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Re: Who Cares?

said by 72276539 See Profile:



The research benefit of this stuff is amazing, new ways of looking and doing things will get down to the consumer eventually. Anyone saying who cares is shortsighted and should look more then 1 minute into the future.
More than 1 minute...try a zillion years. Saying this research will reach the consumer is like saying the Budweiser rocket car technology will reach the consumer...adding to that while all the roads are jammed and full of potholes. Sure...it's interesting...but otherwise completely worthless for the rest of the 'real world'.

So I join others...who cares?!? Anyone who thinks of this as anything more that a fleeting novelty is sorely misguided. The money wasted on this so-called research could have been better spent elsewhere.

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said by yock See Profile:

Consider the benefit to you if your ISP can transfer more data for the same amount or less money.
More money in his ISP's pocket?
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Re: Who Cares?

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More money in his ISP's pocket?
Not without industry collusion. These technologies benefit all providers, not just B2C ISPs. When B2B costs drop, that filters down to the consumer.
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they could start lowering the price of broadband to say 14.99 for 3.0/512 and 9.99 for 1.5/384
Then we may have something that is much more versatile!
yea money is strict and limited, why pay more then necessary?

72276539
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Glad you think that way about research, just make sure to never use a new advance in your lifetime to prove your point.
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oliphant
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Re: Who Cares?

Not "research"...just USELESS research...like this.

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Re: Who Cares?

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Not "research"...just USELESS research...like this.
I'd terribly like to know what credentials you have in order to make that judgement. Unless you're in the business of developing B2B ISP services, your opinion is kinda moot.
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Re: Who Cares?

Guess you didn't bother to READ the PR, more specifically the applications of this, before posting. It has nothing to do with credentials...everything to do with the admitted applications (or lack thereof).

My point is made again...petabytes of data from future experimentation at the compact Muon Solenoid and the Toroidal Large Hadron Collider Apparatus have ZERO to do with CONSUMER anything...which was the errant claim of the previous poster. These applications won't filter to B2B or B2C providers.

It is completely worthless for the rest of the 'real world'. Thus...who cares...save for the 2000 physicists who work on such data intensive projects.

But whatever...you're entitled to your opinion and me to mine.

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zoom zoom zoom.

You just know that a package from an ISP would include a 100GB/month bandwidth cap... Make sure you only use that connection for one second/month or else they'll bill you for overages.
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Re: zoom zoom zoom.

8 seconds...

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Re: zoom zoom zoom.

I'll never get that whole bytes bits thing down pat.

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why internet2?

why did it have to be on Internet2?
isn't this just PtP link?
it could just as easily be Internet(1) or WLAN or RLAN or anything else they could call it
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Re: why internet2?

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why did it have to be on Internet2?
isn't this just PtP link?
it could just as easily be Internet(1) or WLAN or RLAN or anything else they could call it
Because on the regular internet the links are being utilized. I2 mimics a lab type condition they can disconnect the node off I2 and run it without disrupting traffic to and from the points.

It comes down to taking most of the problems out of the test.
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Re: why internet2?

exactly! so it's just direct point-to-point trunk...
it really has nothing to do w/ being on "Internet2"
they might as well call it Gigarnet
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said by MxxCon See Profile:

exactly! so it's just direct point-to-point trunk...
it really has nothing to do w/ being on "Internet2"
they might as well call it Gigarnet
Well sort of. They don't just direct trunk it what they do is just cut traffic off the routers to test throughput.

We used to do this in datacenter to test new equipment and make sure they were capable of taking the high loads.
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I think you are missing the point....

This test isn't to show that somebody at home will get this speed. It shows that a backbone is capable of those speeds and thus there is more bandwidth for everybody to support higher end user speeds (like 100Mbit).

There is a big picture here, just look for it .
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Re: I think you are missing the point....

Some of the people here are too dumb to see that.

dualsmp

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So...

when do the upgrades begin? Should I expect these wonderful speeds on my DSL by next month (*cough* yeah right)
nycbubba2

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Re: So...

yah they take forever... BUT. the upgrades do happen, I had a DSL line for quite a while with verizon. started back when 384/32Kbits was considered fast.. (5-6 years ago?) well, I paid roughly $70 a month back then. now. since they upgraded their backbones, everyone gets a 3.0M/768kbits/sec DSL line, for $30 a month WITH router and modem... (oh when I say everyone, I meant the lucky ones who lives close to their CO to get the 3.0/768 speed). If that 101Gbit/sec line is actually implemented, you get even faster and cheaper internet. ...I say wait 4 more years, at the rate technology is growing. (laughs at my old PC-Mall magazines. 512MB PC100 non-ECC SD-Ram $899)
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Research

Internet 2 is basically being used just for research & development. They are testing new ideas and theories over how to transfer more information in a shorter ammount of time. It is not a company producing this stuff.

First off - it will take some time before companies produce new eqiptment to sell to backbone providers for faster speeds. I think the fastest backbones now are already at about 10GB/s. Since Internet2 is only a little over the 12GB/s mark it will be a while before they seriously adopt it (probably when it reaches the 20GB/s mark).

It will take time before we see 100MB/s to individual users:

- Unlike the Asian countries that are mainly controlled by the government (and therefore push consumer-level products faster), the US broadband is controlled mainly by business (supply, demand, and execs willingness to try new trends). And at this point businesses are reluctant to give up dough (money) to upgrade their networks due to current shakey demand for faster broadband connections.

I would say most of this reluctance is because of the fact that much of the US's mid-section is farmland which means greater distances between houses (higher-cost to deploy broadband services) and less demand (their 'simple folk' who have little need for internet). Most of the major demand is in the big cities.
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Re: Research

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(their 'simple folk' who have little need for internet). Most of the major demand is in the big cities.
"Simple folk"? What would you know about country "folk" Jimbo? That people who live in the country are simple and have no need for the internet??? Are you some kind of racist/cultural bigot Jimbo? That is an extremely simple and naive view you have there Mr. Jimbo form Youngstown.

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said by jimbo2150 See Profile:


(their 'simple folk' who have little need for internet). Most of the major demand is in the big cities.
"Simple folk"? What would you know about country "folk" Jimbo? That people who live in the country are simple and have no need for the internet??? Are you some kind of racist/cultural bigot Jimbo? That is an extremely simple and naive view you have there Mr. Jimbo form Youngstown.
I dont think he meant it as a prejudiced statement, just saying what the attitude among execs is. also it seems that those living in rural areas do purchase less luxuries (and yes i consider broadband a luxury).

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said by jimbo2150 See Profile:


(their 'simple folk' who have little need for internet). Most of the major demand is in the big cities.
"Simple folk"? What would you know about country "folk" Jimbo? That people who live in the country are simple and have no need for the internet??? Are you some kind of racist/cultural bigot Jimbo? That is an extremely simple and naive view you have there Mr. Jimbo form Youngstown.
I wouldn't get up in arms about it because for the most part it's true. As much as I would love to buy a home away from the city and keep my 3.0/712 DSL line, it's just not possible yet. My only neighbors would be those content with their 26.4 dial up connection on AOL, so it is pretty much supply and demand in the US market.

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Yeahhhh....

I can download porn quicker than I can use it!
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Re: Yeahhhh....

mmm...p0rno-net2.

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Who gives a shit.

Us home users will never see it. Unless you're going to offer it, don't brag about it. Period.

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I don't Understand

I don't understand why we are even discussing this, cause it is very unlikeley the normal household will ever see these kinds of speeds. It is stories like these that just seem pointless in even talking about!

Just my two cents.

Rant ends here.

KENNY DILLON

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Re: I don't Understand

And the world is flat and the center of the universe. Man will never fly. If you sail too far, you'll fall off the edge. We'll never need more than 640KB RAM.

Kenny, you'll back yourself into a corner with those absolutes . While we may not see them soon, it is (b)leading edge technologies like these that eventually move from test bed to high end users and on to the home user. While some of us may never see it, I'd put a small wager on it being a standard household offering sometime in the future.

In the meantime, I was really shocked to realize that there were that many bits in Pittsburg!
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Pornonet?

Maybe instead of inventing Internet2, we should invent PornoNet. It's a net where you can download as much porn as you like thus freeing up 30% of the internet's bandwidth. Maybe even a P2P web also. I am a genius. Now someone else is going to copy my ideas.

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Re: Pornonet?

And Pornonet should be free too!

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