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3SGTE
ST215W
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-23
there
clubs:
| Re: Free dialup... said by exocet_cm  :Edit: You know, if I owned that satelite I would be kinda pissed off. Yes!
and being p-d off would come with a hefty price tag!
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Jeremy341
Bye
Premium
join:2000-01-06
localhost
| Re: Free dialup... said by 3SGTE : said by exocet_cm :Edit: You know, if I owned that satelite I would be kinda pissed off. Yes! and being p-d off would come with a hefty price tag! That's why there's insurance. Yes, companies put insurance on their satellites.
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heels_fan
1.20.09 The start of Socialism
Premium
join:2003-02-07
Columbia, TN | Re: Free dialup... "The satellite was self-insured by Intelsat". Per the press release issued by Intelsat Ltd.
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Jim Gurd
Premium
join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
 ·Comcast
| Re: Free dialup... said by heels_fan :"The satellite was self-insured by Intelsat". Per the press release issued by Intelsat Ltd. Self-Insured = uninsured. | |
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Topmounter
Sent By Grocery Clerks
join:2001-02-20
Evergreen, CO | They are going to spoil all of their customers with the temporary low-latency connections... err dial-up that is  | |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
clubs:
| said by exocet_cm :Edit: You know, if I owned that satelite I would be kinda pissed off. Kinda? Probably throwing chairs P-O'ed.
sudden and unexpected electrical distribution anomaly that caused the permanent loss of the spacecraft First off, what is an electrical distribution anomaly? Problems with the solar panels? Problems with the onboard batteries? Problems with the batteries not charging, or overcharging?
Secondly, how could a sudden loss of power permanently destroy the satellite? From what I understand of geostationary orbits, you usually need to only make minor orbital corrections. Just enough so orbit doesn't degrade. Either way, the thing had been up there since 1999. Not bad. It was probably approaching the end of its life expectancy anyways:
Geostationary orbits can only be achieved very close to the ring 35,786 km directly above the equator. All other circular non-active geosynchronous orbits will cross the geostationary orbit and possibly collide with satellites there. In practice this means that all geostationary satellites have to exist on this ring, which poses problems for satellites needing to be decommissioned at the end of their service life (for example when they run out of thruster fuel).
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whizkid3
Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-21
Queens, NY
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| Re: Free dialup... quote:
Secondly, how could a sudden loss of power permanently destroy the satellite? From what I understand of geostationary orbits, you usually need to only make minor orbital corrections. Just enough so orbit doesn't degrade.
Actually, there is a lot more to it than that. Because of the earth's tilt a satellite in a simple geosynchronous orbit appears to move (relative to the earth) in a figure-8 pattern over the course of each 24 hours. Simple antennas, without a motorized satellite tracking system, become off center as the satellite takes its 24 hour course. To keep communications locked-up requires more power from the satellite (which is extremely power limited), and from any transmitting ground stations. The satellite is not going to increase its power levels. So you end up with a weaker signal during parts of the day.
There is one other method, called station keeping, in which the satellite uses propulsion to make slight changes over the course of the day to minimize the 'figure-eight'. Because it seems that the majority of receiving stations are fixed (as opposed to tracking), possible Intelsat was using performing 'station keeping'? Or, as you say, they may have been making simple corrections to the orbit. Honestly, I don't know what caused the satellite to crap out. Just letting you know that there is more to a geosynchronous orbit that meets the eye. | |
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join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA | Dialup... It's funny because the dialup probably outperforms the satellite connection.  | |
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| flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA | Yup, if you are using VPN or any non html protocol then yes dial up is better.
This Whole thing is just another nail in Sat BB's Coffin.
I think I will stick with my p*ss poor dial up for now.
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| jazmolis
join:2004-02-11
Paradise, CA
| Well..I can officially say this...I used to be a Licensed Starband--DirecWay installer; I was the first one at the satellite installation shop I worked at (back in 1999-2002) to install a Starband at my home...I was on the "Pilot" program that Starband offered as beta testing before they went into the public sector...The biggest issue that Starband had on their initial release was the NOC was not stable, and their support staff were completely ignorant & untrained...The reason these issues were such a problem was because they were attempting to beat Directv--DirecWay onto the 2-Way broadband satellite market...When I was still on the system, it was pretty decent as far as speeds; however the latency issues were horrible...If you wanted to have a conversation using voice in Yahoo Messenger (for instance) the latency would cause you to "cut out" while in the middle of a sentence...Since the initial public release the speeds have become less and less on the downstream side not to mention that they were NEVER good on the upstream...As soon as DSL via Prodigy--SBC were available in my area I cancelled my service with Starband...And I'd had free service for almost a year, not to mention I was on a cluster that the public wasn't even being assigned...I own and operate a PC and Networking business, and I'm also the Operations Manager for a locally owned dial-up access company...The owner of that business recently had a copper T-1 installed at his location and called Starband up and told them to kiss his a**...He was not paying for the last month's service because of their lack of Technical Support, constant 24/7 service (as stated in the contract) which constitutes a breech in their guarantee for "always on" service...So for those of you that are still on Starband I do feel pitty for you... | |
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| jeffyjeff777
join:2002-06-01
Collegedale, TN
1 edit | I'd take Sat over dialup any day, for browsing and downloading. You can download at 200KBs (1600kbs), that beats dialup by a long shot. It's just the pings and uploads that suck on Sat. but if you use it strictly for browsing, it's good. | |
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join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA | Re: Dialup... Actually you get throttled back as your approach "emptying" your FAP bucket...and most people don't get anywhere close to 200kB/sec. | |
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join:2002-06-01
Collegedale, TN
1 edit | Re: Dialup... it doesn't seem to get throttled down until the FAP bucket is full. I've been on Direcway for almost 3 years. It's far from perfect, but I'm certainly not going back to dialup, but if something better comes along, sure I'll go for it! | |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| Wow....IA-8? Talk about happening at just the right time! Just think if that launch was still a year off.
Losing a broadband feeding satellite makes a fiber cut seem like static during a phone call.
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26 | We also lost few channels I was working on Sunday morning (Cable co) and we lost Playboy channel. Our reseller told us they lost the satellite link between them and Playboy broadcast.
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Corvus
Flaming Tards Since 2003
Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26
| Re: We also lost few channels I told them to either get a computer and link it to the Internet with us or to use our On-demand porn movies service
BTW, one of the customers was 81 years old and called at 8h00 am... 
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BodyBumper
join:2004-06-21
Beverly Hills, CA | Re: We also lost few channels  *puke* | |
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parchamb
join:2002-03-01
Biddeford, ME
| said by Corvus :BTW, one of the customers was 81 years old and called at 8h00 am... More power to him/her, I hope when I'm that old I'll get ticked off if I can't get the Playboy channel. | |
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tapeloop
1959. I try to kick the ball. I miss.
Premium
join:2004-06-27
Airstrip One | Re: We also lost few channels So that's why ESPN went out while I was watching the NCAA recap on SportsCenter...oh well. Guess that's what the Sunday paper is for.  | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: We also lost few channels said by tapeloop :So that's why ESPN went out while I was watching the NCAA recap on SportsCenter...oh well. Guess that's what the Sunday paper is for. ESPN? people actually watch ESPN?
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | How many? Just curious, how many lost their connection? | |
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heels_fan
1.20.09 The start of Socialism
Premium
join:2003-02-07
Columbia, TN
| Lost channels also There were alot of channels feeds on that satellites also.
I was on call this weekend and didnt any calls from customers till about 9:30 am Sunday morning.
WE had 26 channels in total to go out. A&E pod(Bio, ect) IFC, all Adult programming, DIY,Fuse, about half of all of our PPV/InDemand.
Most channels switched over to Telstar 13, which we here had to realign one of our LNBs to be able to see it.
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join:2002-08-03
Omaha, NE
| Re: Lost channels also Yeah, we lost quite a few (the same I imagine) in Omaha and also switch to Telstar 13, but it took a few hours to do so. Had lots of people calling in because their late night porn wasn't working..... | |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
Premium
join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs: | Re: Lost channels also Well judging by those stations lost, and broadband satellite service.
Nothing was really lost now was it?
Hard to believe anyone noticed it missing! | |
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join:2002-12-17
Dupo, IL | Re: Lost channels also Yeah my starband access. Hell it WAS my only choice. | |
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doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY
| Funny what goes around comes back at you. Maybe now. Starband will stop sending DNS requests to
my company's system.
Even after complaining to them. They could not be
bothered to check thier DNS servers. 1000's of request
aday are misdirected to our system. We are not a
public or private DNS server.
I really felt like setting up a mini-dns server to take
those requests and direct them to somewhere very
inappropriate. Somewhere like a spam or porn site.
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borborpa
Slipping Slowly Into Oblivion
Premium
join:2002-02-20
New Cumberland, PA
clubs:
 ·Speakeasy
| Ouch! Doesn't $6,000 - 11,000 seem a BIT STEEP for the equipment!?!? Especially considering Directway is $600? I don't see how Starband could be THAT much better.
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tomkb
Premium
join:2000-11-15
Avon, OH
clubs:
·RoadRunner Cable
| aka "experienced a sudden and unexpected electrical distribution anomaly"
means "you are all too stupid to understand it so just accept this explanation as fact and continue to pay your bill even though you have no service".
It was further "dumbed down" for the company employees in a statement released by management that read "it got hit by a rock".
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David Vermillion
@206.76.x.x
| I'm out I'm one of the poor users affected by this. Apparently I won't have internet access for several months. Worst is that we have 7 or 8 machines that the sat provides service to. Are they gonna offer 8 dial up accounts, what about 8 phone lines.
We're looking into other options, but it looks pretty grim for now.
BTW: Equipment is 600 to 1000 not 6000 to 10,000 | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
2 edits | Read here to see what happens to these satellites. It is a rough world they live in. »www.sec.noaa.gov be sure to check out the real time sun images. I wonder if this outfit failed to set their satellite into a safe mode when we had the recent solar flare which topped out at an X-7, X-10 being the most powerful.
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Sassy_1
@rr.com | CRAP WE just dumped our land line..free dial-up? HA! | |
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rxman
join:2004-11-29
San Clemente, CA
| starband customer I was a Starband Customer up until all of this happened. Luckily I found another company called Skycasters to help me out. Our business could not operate without the sat. connection. Anyhow Skycasters will have me up and running on Thursday for a better price and faster service. If anyone else needs there service you can goto »www.skycasters.com | |
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@cavtel.net
| Re: starband customer Skycasters sucks Its just a direcway piece of junk. I have installed lots of vsats for them and know the new owner very well. He is a pager salesman. They also had outages over the weekend. I had 23 sites go down. I've been installing vsat's for over 5 years and i have to say none of them are better than the other. | |
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Brad Helm
join:2001-08-27
Salem, IL
| You mean Starband still exists???? I thought that POS would've gone out of business by now. I won't go into the myriad of problems they've had to deal with (mostly self-inflicted). Suffice it that I think they might lose some customers to their new dial-up services before Starband can get a new bird in the air.... | |
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viperm
Carpe Diem
Premium
join:2002-07-09
Winchester, CA
| We have had users call us too If you need wireless service in the Riverside area go to our websites and give us a call we can have you up and running the same day usually (weather and time permitting)
»www.blzwire.com
»www.airenetworks.com | |
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Welopezstarbandnet
@Dial1.San
| Free Dialup?? Okay, Starband is down. I've been a satisfied customer for 4 years and am feeling the pain of a 3kb dialup again, owing to my EXTREME rural location. I'm paying $12.95/mo now for dialup. Where's the free dialup everyone is talking about? How much will my Starband bill be for December for this free service? | |
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River-Net
@covad.net | St.Croix Valley If your in the St.Croix Valley area check my website.
MN & WI
www.river-net.com | |
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User0101
Premium
join:2002-12-12
S-ZZ9-PZA
clubs:
| Hope this is not a repeat... From Starband's Web page (www.starband.net):
"Outage On Clusters:
002, 050 and 189
Early Sunday morning, Intelsat, Ltd. lost communication with their satellite IA-7 and has determined the loss to be irreparable. This satellite hosted a large number of StarBand customers who, as a result, have temporarily lost StarBand Internet service. StarBand is working diligently to arrange both long-term and short-term solutions to have our customers back up-and-running as quickly as possible. We will update you as information becomes available.
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