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Columbus, OH | Better here than there Seems pretty reasonable, and if it helps our economy more then hey, try it out.
(ps. fu first posters lol)
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Ottawa, ON | Re: Better here than there american economy? lol. canadian dollar is at $.82 american. that's the highest it's been in 10 years. thank you george bush and the morons that support him. w00t! | |
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Columbus, OH | Re: Better here than there yes, shockingly, bringing jobs back to the US might help the US economy. (Not sure what you meant by your post)
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Everett, WA | And your money still stinks, keep it up north ya dirty canuck. | |
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Apathas
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| Actually you want to keep your dollar lower then ours.
This means US dollars flow into the Canadain economy. If you dollar is higher then ours, your dollar will flow into ours.
Why do you think China purposely peg the Yuan, to always be a % lower then the US Dollar. It gives them an economic advantage.... | |
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1 edit | said by krobar  :Seems pretty reasonable, and if it helps our economy more then hey, try it out. (ps. fu first posters lol) Hmm -- why not kill two birds with one stone? Bring the industry to middle America and, in the process of supporting the new office parks or what have you, build out the broadband infrastructure that is sorely lacking in a lot of places. Perhaps a win/win? Who knows...
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| Ok, but what do Hicks from Arkansas know about Dell Pc's?
You first need an EDUCATED work force before you can turn things around.. After Clinton left for New York it was ALL down hill from there.. (Maybe that's why they hate him so much)
My best guess if you want to outsource to rural areas, Pennsylvania would do much better, a lot more educated people up there, IMHO. Need I say they voted the right way in the election too 
My take on the election was two fold, Bush won by stirring up a hornets nest with Social Values, and buying the Hispanic vote (notice we may have a Hispanic Attorney General- payback time-- No one would have thought we'd get a Hispacnic attorney general.. but Oh well, break those glass ceilings where it won't cost you politically I guess)
The only thing the south is known for is dirty (and in a way smart politial tactics)Not customer service jobs...
maybe they can continue to process coal and tobacco for a few more years.. | |
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join:2004-11-14
Santa Clara, CA
| Re: Better here than there Ah, but an educated work force tends to drive up costs, you see. Ultimately, what employers are looking for is a relatively low-to-mid educated workforce, and as jobs become more available in that area (due to costs and such) more individuals go there to get the jobs, or more people become educated on the subject. Thus, technology becomes more extensive in that area... In the end, providing the job there, will make the job more expensive to put there (eventually) but will improve the area by putting in Money, Jobs, and Educational incentive. Utilizing the price system to motivate economic growth is time consuming, but well worth it... after all, if not for that same process some thirty+ years ago, much of "Silicon valley" would still be farmlands... though, you can't really eat silicon... | |
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join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL
| Re: Better here than there Being a resident of the area, Northwest Arkansas is a vastly improving and expanding community with a wider and wider technology base every time I look. Being in the area I am in, there is a research University where a lot of our innovations are being put to use in modern and super modern machinery and technology. Also, the cost of living here is roughly half of that of the U.S. on average. This will keep the costs of companies willing to invest in this area very low, as the demands for salary are not as great for employees.
And yes, there are still some slack-jawed yokels in the area, but by far, they are the minority these days. ;>
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| Yes This is a good thing. At least if a person needed help with something aggravating, they will be speaking to someone they can understand. I know this seems like a nothing issue, but when you are having a major technical problem, the last thing that helps is having to repeat your problem a dozen times to someone who you can't understand. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Re: Yes said by digital k :At least if a person needed help with something aggravating, they will be speaking to someone they can understand. Yes....if you live in the south. All us northerners are still outta luck 
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Dallas, GA
| Re: Yes quote:
Yes....if you live in the south. All us northerners are still outta luck
Dang, how much slower do us southerners have to talk before you daft northerners can understand us? If we talked any slower you might confuse us for being from Texas..  | |
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somewhere
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| problems a) the smartest people usually live or migrate to cities or live in close proximity to a city. Nobody is going to move to arkansas to look for a job especially when it pays less than what you can find in the city
b) The job market sucks out there. Sure... there may be one company or two trying rural outsourcing to different parts of arkansas but that's about it. It's not like being around a major city where there are literally THOUSANDS of jobs.
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gheezer
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Henrietta, NY
1 edit | Re: problems said by Frank :a) the smartest people usually live or migrate to cities or live in close proximity to a city. Nobody is going to move to arkansas to look for a job especially when it pays less than what you can find in the city really, I live in a town of 1100, have an IQ over 130, and daily solve engineering problems for a very large ISP.
said by Frank :b) The job market sucks out there. Sure... there may be one company or two trying rural outsourcing to different parts of arkansas but that's about it. It's not like being around a major city where there are literally THOUSANDS of jobs. I make less here, but the cost of living is about 1/2 of what it is in NJ. Frankly, arrogant comments such as this only amplify how out of touch with reality some heavily populated areas can be. Open your eyes, living in the sticks doesn't mean living with the hicks!
This is a wonderful initiative and seriously needs the full support of Federal, State and Local Governments.
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PwnZone | Re: problems ha! my iq pwns j00!! | |
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gheezer
Compooters R Us
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| Re: problems said by 53059959 :ha! my iq pwns j00!! yes, that may be so, but you have absolutely no language or social skills, not to mention a complete lack of melatonin and skin tint...so it evens out.
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| Re: problems Not quite, the heavy bond paper stock used for the formal tests makes for outrageously cool paper airplanes! Of course, you'd know this if the nice folks in the white coats would ask you to take the test...
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1 edit | said by gheezer : said by Frank :a) the smartest people usually live or migrate to cities or live in close proximity to a city. Nobody is going to move to arkansas to look for a job especially when it pays less than what you can find in the city really, I live in a town of 1100, have an IQ over 130, and daily solve engineering problems for a very large ISP. said by Frank :b) The job market sucks out there. Sure... there may be one company or two trying rural outsourcing to different parts of arkansas but that's about it. It's not like being around a major city where there are literally THOUSANDS of jobs. I make less here, but the cost of living is about 1/2 of what it is in NJ. Frankly, arrogant comments such as this only amplify how out of touch with reality some heavily populated areas can be. Open your eyes, living in the sticks doesn't mean living with the hicks! This is a wonderful initiative and seriously needs the full support of Federal, State and Local Governments. I just read your comments, havent been around lately to reply but here's my scenario.
sure, living in the sticks doesnt mean living with the hicks, but let's say you lose your job tommorow (here's a fake scenario: your company closed thier branch or colo in your location to cut costs, you're not being transfered you're getting the axe). The likelyhood of you finding another job wont be as good because there are less jobs available, and if there are as many smart people as you say there are competing for those jobs then your chances go down even more.
so what happens then?
I'm not saying this because i'm arrogant, in fact it's quite the opposite. I too would like to live in a particular state that isnt very heavily populated (if you must know, it's hawaii). I fell in love with the place ever since I went there in 2002. Unfortunatley the job market isnt as secure (2 or 3 jobs in my field on monster.com a month?) over there as it is here and so I doubt I'll ever move and afford living comfortably there unless I can win the lottery, start a business or change careers.
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| Re: problems said by Frank :so what happens then? If American Corporations would consider rural America as a source for labor, there WOULD be jobs available.
As things are today, American corporate management can't see beyond the high density population centers where labor costs tend to be much higher. They don't SEE rural America as a viable option. The stereotype you allude to in your initial post is perpetuated from the TOP down.
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| What you fail to realize is that there are many skilled people in these areas. They may be university students or recent graduates, or they may live there because of the lower cost of living. Jobs are indeed hard to find, so many of them do choose to leave, but they may not want to. Giving these people the ability to stay only improves the prospects of these areas. I'm sure these jobs may pay less than they would if they were located in a major metro area, but if they pay enough for employees to live comfortably, it's a plus. In addition, when you create a pool of highly-skilled workers, some of them tend to want to start their own businesses, which further develops the local economy.
This is a very good thing. If it works, it will give a big economic boost to places that have seen many jobs shipped overseas. | |
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join:2001-02-02
Tucson, AZ
| You missed the point. First there are many smart and educated people in the rural areas. Second, they wouldn't have to go to the big cities for jobs if there was something available locally.
In the future, more and more people will be able to work from home (internet is making that possible). I am only guessing some might like to move to a rural area since the cost of living would be much cheaper and the life would be much less hectic. | |
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join:2004-07-03 | Language = problem? Actually the language problem serves a purpose.If I had not gotten tired of trying to decipher accents I might still be with AOL(shudder) | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | I live in WV, They could send that work here! I work as a DBA for a fortune 500 company. They have the largest (and best paying) jobs here. But we are still cheaper than other areas of the country. Heck my 2000 sq. ft. house only cost $85,000. | |
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Compooters R Us
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Henrietta, NY
| Re: I live in WV, They could send that work here! Bingo...Large corporations often don't get it...Affordable housing can really make a difference! Why pay 1100 a month to rent a studio apartment, when I can get a mortgage on a $65,000 1500 sq foot house and pay 400 bux a month! And sleep with the doors unlocked to boot!
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hey brandene
| outsource to arkansindia cletus: you might could wear these to your job interview
brandene: nah and scuff up the topless dancing runway? you best put em back where from ya gottem.
translation: cletus on tech support wont be any better than rajneesh | |
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Maumelle, AR
| Re: outsource to arkansindia If you think there are some ignorant rednecks here, in Arkansas, you should try going to Scranton. That town makes Little Rock look like Beverly Hills.
Tech support is only as good as the company wants it to be. Script reading in any language is pretty useless. | |
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| Hate to tell you, but your post only illustrates your ignorance of Arkansas. I've lived there and worked as a tech at a large ISP, and there are many educated, talented people there. Yes, there are rednecks, but they're also in any state you care to look at.
Before you decide to make ridiculas posts like this about an area, I suggest you actually educate yourself first. | |
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CS is the DEVIL
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Alma, AR | HAHAHA HAHAHA...now everyone will be bashing arkansans for bad tech support...hrm..i live in arkansas..i might try and get in on this....hahaha | |
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| Outsourcing Magnolia, Ark is most definitely not anywhere close to Little Rock, in terms of close to the city. I do applaud any effort to retain the American workforce though, for better or worse; America in general has little to offer but a service industry. For the size and population of the country It's production value is appallingly bad.
At least someone, somewhere is attempting to constructively make a positive change, rather than simply whining.
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If ..Then..Else
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| Unfortunately One of the big reasons [maybe the biggest] for offshoreing is the cost. Here in the US, we have minimum wage laws [min $2.65 - Kansas & max 7.10 - Connecticut], you have federal & state taxes and in most cases, health insurance premiums. True, there are a lot of states without any minimum wage requirements, but there are the rest of the charges. All they have to pay, offshore, is the salary alone [The exchange rate for India is 1 dollar - 45.1 Rupees]!
As for the language, well you're mostly right on that, but I remember calling for support once & the person that came on the line has a accent that you needed a chainsaw to cut [I wound up hanging up & calling again]! | |
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Richland, WA | try Maximum minimum wage in the USA is Washington State @ 7.16/hr | |
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powerhog
Stinkin' up the joint
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Owasso, OK
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| rural != stupid I just spent a week in Dallas. You couldn't possibly pay me enough to live & work in a big city.
If some of you city people were to get lost and happen to drive by my residence, you'd never guess that I earn a good salary (even compared to city salaries) supporting *nix servers for Fortune 500 companies. Many of us live in Rural America because we choose to do so- not because we're some kind of in-bred outcasts who wear boots because we can't tie a shoestring.
Now that my AIX 5.x upgrade is complete, I need to go out to my 3/4-ton 4x4 pickup and get some more Skoal... see y'all when I get back from driving the fence line and checking on the livestock.
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North Little Rock, AR | I don't live on a farm. Hey now, it isn't all rural. There are around half a million people here in central Arkansas. | |
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join:2002-10-30
Brooklyn, NY
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| Bush created jobs in 2003 Don't believe John Kerry, Bush created 3 million jobs last year. In India, Singapore, China, Thailand, Vietnam. What? I didn't say 3 million American jobs. Hey, by the way, if you have been laid off and are hungry, you can eat your imported vehicle. | |
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join:2003-12-25 | Exactly! Thats the whole idea. As long as the jobs are here and not abroad, its good for everyone, regardless of where the call center will be located. As long as its in the USA, its all good in my opinion.:) | |
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| Re: Exactly! America can compete with any country on any job. I work in metals, a machine shop that makes parts for case, john deere, and caterpiller. in 1992 there was 2,000 metal foundrys in America, today less than 400 are left. Jobs had been going to places like brazil, or asia. We just found out of the 400 left a foundry that not only is price competitive but is LOWER in price than any other foundry on this entire planet, and it is here in America. How can they do that? Easy with a strong quality approach. If a call center is set up with quality in mind, from a standpoint of solveing the issue in a quick shortest step approach then it could compete with lower wages in other countrys. If it takes 45 mins for a india tech to solve a issue, but takes a American tech 2 mins to solve the same issue that is the cost saveings, not only is the end customer happy with a fast fix, but the customer will continue to choose the best fastest service. The American tech could field 20 calls and solve 20 issues in the time it takes one call to india to help one customer. I have a BFG 6800 GT OC 256 video card, I had a issue and made the call for support, the techs first response was the fastest for him, he said reformat drive and reinstall, that was not acceptable to me, so he quickly and very effenceintly walked me thru a driver clean and reinstall. It took longer but I am not only very happy with the tech support, but have decided from that one single experiance to only buy and use BFG products from now on. I have a ATI video card as well, ATI is canadain, they have 0 tech support, ATI cards are cheaper, but for a few more dollars I get real help, and a working product. I could have gotten the best ATI card for about the same price, but would not have gotten any tech support, I think the ATI card was $20.00 less than the BFG card. and the BFG tech support is in Chicago. As a customer a few more dollars is money well spent for a working product. | |
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| It's amazing How illiterate people clutter up the boards, claiming they are so smart -Looks, feels and smells like an idiot troll. Certainly no grammatical skills past grade 8. Hope CA keeps him there. Just made the people from Arkansas on this thread, appear...well, literate for lack of a better word. Some people could do with Basic Training, before venturing out into the world.
Jobs, are jobs and if that means keeping some within the borders of America, all the better.
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Russellville, AR | Re: All I can say is... The Greater Russellville Area Metroplex... I like it, I like it.. | |
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Poplar Bluff, MO
| Re: All I can say is... hello, i live in the sticks with the hicks and could care less what the people think of us. i have been around the world and can't think of a better place to be than Arkansas. Here people are friendly, kind, and willing to help in time of need. a quality not easy to find other places.
i think outsourcing to arkansas is a good idea. along with building a one way superhighway to canada for the unhappy Kerry supporters who want to move. | |
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Winfield, AL
| Re: All I can say is... I do live in the south and the sticks. I work for a tech support company and actually my employer serves 7 companies. We have taken the tech support jobs of other sites, and yes even some of the sites in the north. I want to vouche that we are trained not to have our accents and the few times that a customer does ask where we are located they are quite shocked when we say Alabama. I know that some people are going to say we are stupid just because we live in a rural area in the south but we have to be doing something right to keep landing and keeping our clients.
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Kiwi
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| Why Can't people just get along? I mean I read the article, there is nothing negative toward this rather decent plan. There are some things that tick me off, those that don't understand the concept from the main thread {Article, presented} and the other is attacking out of ignorance; I mean every Country has issues, but lump people from any Country/State as below par. Is just plain ignorant.
My point remains the article presented some hope, for people who could benefit from keeping jobs in the Country, from people that are requesting support from a more 'Local' area. Rural activity and support is almost a novel idea these days, gets my vote.
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bigdaddy175
join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL | Re: Why Uhh isnt Arkansas also high on crime? Im not saying that FL isnt but it seems like every time I watch John Welsh on Americas Most Wanted the southern region has the highest crime ratings. Another reason not to live in the south. | |
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| Re: Why ..And, your point? As you live in the South, now if I was nasty I could say that Florida was the Cuban Commonwealth. But, It's a digression. It seems the only true news item is how one can stomp on someone else, and feel good about it! Go, America! Way to go, knock anything of value with a boot.
Beginning to be enlightened, the Hollywood approach to life, stay young, stay stupid and watch lots of TV ads; because they of course are real, just like Sci-Fi is.
Any wonder the rest of the World has issues, with responses like that. When a good thing comes along & someone finds the need to kick it, hard! Right here on home turf...Get a grip.
This is about jobs, for people & your comment is simply..Well, I give up!
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| Rural Outsourcing whats wrong??? I come from a rural part in India where I am 3rd class citizen.. I went to top engineering school slogged my way up and held good positions in europe and america. It really is a question of exposure to the technology that rural america needs. I am sure they will also do good. It needs little patience and time | |
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