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bewale
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1 edit | Did you guys actually READ the story (past the headline)? SPAM was NOT the major issue here. Fraud was. He used SPAM to sell a bunch of fradulent goods.. making $24M in the process. He did not get 9 years in jail for simply sending unsolicited e-mails.
I get SPAM every flippin day in my postal mail. That's not illegal... and no one seems to object to that. As much as I too detest e-mail SPAM, it should not be illegal.
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1 edit | Re: Enjoy said by bewale  :I get SPAM every flippin day in my postal mail. That's not illegal... and no one seems to object to that. As much as I too detest e-mail SPAM, it should not be illegal. One big fundamental difference between junk mail and spam: who bears the cost. The junk mailers pay for the printing and sending it to my trash can. Spam is a very different story. Spammers pay very little to send out bulk E-mail. The backbone providers, ISPs and ultimately you and I pay for the bandwidth, storage and administration that is needed to handle the spam. It's fundamentally unfair that I should be required to pay for something that I don't want. It's the same logic that makes sending junk faxes illegal. It's my dime not the senders. | |
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join:2002-01-10
Virginia Beach, VA
| What percent of spam do you think is legit and not a total fraud? I would say it is very close to ZERO. Could it be the prescription drugs without a prescription? Could it be the "increase in length and girth?" Maybe the zero percent mortgage??? Get real. Little if ANY spam is for a legitimate product. | |
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antiphishing
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| said by bewale :Did you guys actually READ the story (past the headline)?
Jeremy Jaynes is a scumbag spammer, who illegally takes advantage of naive internet users.
"A North Carolina man was sentenced to nine years in prison for sending hundreds of thousands of "spam" e-mail messages, Virginia prosecutors said on Wednesday. Jeremy Jaynes, of Raleigh, North Carolina was found guilty under a state law that sets limits on the number of e-mails marketers can send in a given time period and prohibits them from using fake e-mail addresses, state Virginia State Attorney General Jerry Kilgore said. "
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clubs: | Re: Oh Joy Oh happy day I REALLY hope not. Martha is in a "Country Club" no security prison.
This scum needs to be a new inmate at the just opened for him Alcatraz Spammer's prison. Soon to house them ALL. | |
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M A R K
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clubs: | lame.. 9 years for Spam? and 4 more years for the destruction of Americas economy and the death of 1100 young people in Iraq?!?.. AMAZING!
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M A R K
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| Get a life and promote your politics some place else. This guy got what he deserved. Spam is costing this country and others billions of dollars of years because these cretins think they can prey upon our e-mail for free. Well not any more! I hope this guys finds some good ole boys to keep him up at nights. | |
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join:2004-02-17
Saginaw, MI
| Re: lame.. said by toddinpal :Get a life and promote your politics some place else. This guy got what he deserved. Spam is costing this country and others billions of dollars of years because these cretins think they can prey upon our e-mail for free. Well not any more! I hope this guys finds some good ole boys to keep him up at nights. Amen to that. Between spam and spyware the internet is being totally destroyed. I hope to god they pursue and procescute spammers and spyware creators to such a degree that even the RIAA will be impressed.  | |
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Savage Lucy
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| said by toddinpal :Get a life and promote your politics some place else. This guy got what he deserved. Spam is costing this country and others billions of dollars of years because these cretins think they can prey upon our e-mail for free. Well not any more! I hope this guys finds some good ole boys to keep him up at nights. get a grip... | |
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oh hello
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Carrollton, TX
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| 9 years seems harsh. Does no one else feel this way? There are far worse things he could be doing than taking 2 seconds of everyone's time to read some silly advertisement. Violent criminals get less time than that. My question is how much money did he make off of his spamming. If it was extremely high, then I suppose nine years isn't so bad. | |
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cork1958
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Fruitport, MI | Re: 9 years seems harsh. True. There are far worse and those are the ones you should be complaining about not getting what they deserve. This guy got exactly what he deserved.
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| very harsh, I don't like spam either, but that is insane. Spam is no diffrent than the tons of junk mail we all get in the mailbox. Everyone I know gets about a papersacks worth a month. I would much rather less tax dollars be spent on less postal people than jailing this guy. Democrates do it again, jail people for very little reason. Think of this, not one person got hurt from spam, and 9 years of this guys life will be wasted. Anyone that sees any good from this is really a sick person. 9 years for starting a business. He would have gotten a few days for selling the crack. Maybe 3 years for un-armed robbery of a bank. 5 years for molesting a child. This stinks, stop the snail-mail junk first. Tons of wood fiber wasted. Democrates are such hypocrates. This sentence is a outrage. | |
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Avder
join:2002-05-08
Moorhead, MN
| Re: 9 years seems harsh. Its 9 years for wasting peoples bandwidth unlawfully, wasting peoples time unlawfully, wasting peoples server space unlawfully, and unlawfully annoying over 100,000 people. Considering that, I think 9 years was rather soft. Consider thatthere are legal ways to do all of the above. Evidently he didnt, so now he gets whats coming to him. Hopefully this serves as an example to other spammers and they either A: Stop or B: fix those damned opt-out links so they actually work. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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| Re: 9 years seems harsh. Okay so nine years in prison for taking how much bandwidth? How much did that bandwidth cost that person? Nine years for taking up disk space? How much disk space and how terribly did that affect the ISPs holding it? Annoying thousands of people gets you nine years? Does this mean Carrot Top can do time as well?
Get serious people. This is a white collar criminal and the only reason he's getting hard time is because spam is a hot button in politics. The punishment is overkill. Spam is annoying but you people really need to put this in perspective. | |
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Home | Re: 9 years seems harsh. You seem to have forgotten the FRAUD he committed.
He just didn't send spam. Spam was not the only issue. He did not get 9 years for spam alone.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: 9 years seems harsh. You're not listening to what I'm saying. The people here don't care about the fraud. Only the fact that a spammer is doing hard time. Reread my posts on this thread. | |
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PatientGuy
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| said by justncredible:
Democrates do it again, jail people for very little reason. ... Democrates are such hypocrates. This sentence is a outrage.
Virginia State Attorney General Jerry Kilgore is a REPUBLICAN and both the Virginia House and Senate are REPUBLICAN controlled. Virginia's governor is a Democrat. Personally I don't see this as a partisan issue but I must say your comments certainly make YOU appear to be a hypocrite. (And probably a spammer.) | |
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| Re: 9 years seems harsh. said by PatientGuy : Virginia State Attorney General Jerry Kilgore is a REPUBLICAN and both the Virginia House and Senate are REPUBLICAN controlled. Virginia's governor is a Democrat. None of which matters since it's the court that sentenced him. | |
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| Re: 9 years seems harsh. said by footballdude : None of which matters since it's the court that sentenced him. I was responding to the remarks by "justncredible" who's comments where not credible. Obviously it was a judge and jury that found the defendant guilty and sentenced him. One could argue that the law itself has it roots in politics but passage of this law was reminiscent of the "do not call list" where a majority of both Democrats and Republicans favored legislation against an very unpopular marketing practice. | |
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join:2002-06-04
Richardson, TX
| 9 years is NOT harsh. Look at it as if you were the admin of a small ISP. I personally admin a mail server with about 330 mailboxes on it. We recently have had to add a frontend email server to take in all email, as well as upgrade our mail server to handle the load that was being brought on. Last time I checked, a P3/600 was enough to handle email for that many mailboxes, but we started seeing over 400000 emails come in for that domain in a day, where before we were only seeing about 30000 to 60000. That server simply couldn't handle that. So look at it this way:
Labor to get new email server up and running: $600
New Email server licenses: $1500
New Email server: $2000
New Email gateway (with spam protection): $4000
Getting rid of a spammer: PRICELESS!
I hope more people who admin email servers with small amounts of users can back me up here. It is awful that spammers have charged us that much money in the past several months! It is a felony (at least in the state of Texas) to steal something worth over $50. Their $8100 is well over that $50, so they should have a class A felony on their record for what they did.
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join:2003-11-13
Cleveland, OH
| Re: 9 years seems harsh. When properly configured you can use a P2/450 with a mere 256MB of ram to stave off well over 750k emails a day.
And of course by properly configured I mean "Use Linux" because it's stable, easy once you've got the hang of it, and it's not Windows based. Did I mention it's free?
I'm not bashin...I'm just saying there's a better way to go about things than spending ten grand on a new server. (Or did you just want a bigger, better box? I do it all the time!) | |
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c_branson
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| said by rantou :Last time I checked, a P3/600 was enough to handle email for that many mailboxes, but we started seeing over 400000 emails come in for that domain in a day, where before we were only seeing about 30000 to 60000. That server simply couldn't handle that. I have about 150 mailboxes to manage here at work, and we get over 20,000 - 30,000 spam messages a day. We may get about 2,500 legitimate emails per day.
Of course, it would help greatly if people stopped using their work email address for personal correspondence, or registering for every known newsletter and contest on the internet. | |
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join:2002-03-01
Irving, TX | You guys really didn't read the articles did you? The major thing that got him was fraud, not the spam. He took 10,000 order for a service that didn't exist. Spam was his delivery method. | |
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SRFireside
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Houston, TX | Re: 9 years seems harsh. The article that was posted mentions nothing like that. Just the spamming. | |
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Irving, TX
| That was my fault, sometimes it seems to me the BBR skewers information (especially against Verizon and Comcast) sometimes to draw the ire of people. From the article:
Prosecutors compared Jaynes and DeGroot to modern-day snake oil salesmen who use the Internet to peddle junk like a "FedEx refund processor" that supposedly allowed people to earn $75 an hour working from home.
In one month alone, Jaynes received 10,000 credit card orders, each for $39.95, for the processor.
"This was just a case of fraud," said prosecutor Gene Fishel. "This is a snake oil salesman in a new format."
Here is the real link.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: 9 years seems harsh. Okay so this is the same guy who did the fraud thing with his sister. Looks like the article posted was just thin on the details.
Still the people here who applaud the jail time do so on only the fact he was spamming. That's still messed up. | |
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newview
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| Re: 9 years seems harsh. said by SRFireside :Still the people here who applaud the jail time do so on only the fact he was spamming. That's still messed up.
Al Capone was not convicted for murder, nor racketeering nor violations of the Volsted Act (prohibition act), but for income tax evasion . . . which sent him to Federal Prison in Atlanta and eventually to Alcatraz. I would say with some confidence that people remember him for the former crimes, not the latter.
The conviction of Jeremy D. Jaynes aka Gavin Stubberfield will forever be remembered as the first spammer convicted of a felony and given a jail sentence. And rightly so.
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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| Re: 9 years seems harsh. If we was just a spammer with no fraud charges and got hit some max sentence under the CAN Spam Act you would still see the same elation.
Al Capone was remembered as a mobster and people enjoyed seeing him locked up as a mobster. Not a tax evader. You people seem to care less about the fraud charges and more about a spammer getting jail time. Like I said. The mentality is messed up. | |
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newview
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| said by oh hello :My question is how much money did he make off of his spamming. If it was extremely high, then I suppose nine years isn't so bad.
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Jaynes amassed a fortune of $24m from his sales, prosecutors said.
"He's been successful ripping people off all these years," AP quoted prosecutor Russell McGuire as saying.
»news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3981099.stm
let's see . . . $24,000,000 divided by 9 years = about $22,222.00 a month.
Nine years is not enough, IMHO.
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KillTHemAll
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trisomy
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Houston, TX
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| Re: Just shoot him... said by IronChefMoto :Jeez -- if the prosecution is 100% that this guy is responsible for said spam and fraud, then shoot him...Maybe you should spam, get caught, and be shot too -- then you can tell us a cheaper way to deal with these sorts of people.  IronChefMorimoto ..and you once said to me 'that Texans were tough'...
"Wisdom," "Justice," and "Moderation" huh? I will be sure to drive far more conservatively on Interstate 20 in the future...just in case.... | |
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IronChefMoto
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Alpharetta, GA | LOL
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| Sentence "Get serious people. This is a white collar criminal and the only reason he's getting hard time is because spam is a hot button in politics," says SR Fireside (2004-11-04 09:23:10)
Yes - but a white collar crime that netted at least USD24 million.
And it is a common view that, historically, white collar crime has been dealt with far too leniently.
But although his "harm" was fraud resulting in massive profit, his conviction was for an offence under Virginia's version of the Can Spam Act. It was for, in essence, forgery.
As a director of a company whose domain is heavily forged by spammers in their "from" and "reply to" addresses with the result that we are a) blocked by some anti-spam systems and b) receive massive amounts of bounced spam I not only have to handle over 100 spams an hour for some users but also, on Mondays and Wednesdays (Sundays and Tuesdays in the USA) thousands of bounced spam which has to be checked to ensure that genuinely bounced mail is not simply swept away.
9 years? It costs us more than that in man hours every year.
His sentence was light. And worse, it is possible that because of flaws in USA proceeds of crime laws and the fact that he was prosecuted on sample charges, that he gets to keep all or most of the money he made.
Now what's needed is for his servers to be handed over to the FBI so that they can prosecute federal wire fraud charges, and as a result of that get their hands on the money. After all, he'll live free for the next nine years (if he serves it all which is not certain) and come out with massive investment gains on the money if it's not taken off him. | |
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| Don't do the Crime... If you can't do the time... I'm up for making sure his celly has extra cigarettes so that he ensures this guy really loves his prison time.
I don't care what is said. He broke the law and he is reaping his just rewards.
Its jerks like this that propagate virus... run scams... fill my email box with over 1000 crap emails a day... the list goes on and on.
To the people saying that the verdict is harsh... I guess you were not one of his scam victims. to that I salute you... but don't get all weepy eyed when they finally enforce the anti-spam law and one of these douche bags actually go to jail. | |
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