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'Spaceway' sats not for broadband
(old news - 01:49PM Monday Oct 25 2004)
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DirecTV has announced that the company will be facing a $1.6 billion charge, since they've decided to use their "Spaceway" Ka-band satellites for HDTV and other content, and not broadband service. When the Wall Street Journal hinted at such a move last May, DirecTV issued a defensive press release decrying the claims as inaccurate. Hindered by latency, satellite broadband service has long-been a choice for users with no other option; as America gets wired (or wireless, as the case may be), the demand for such services continues to dwindle.

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LiamJunket
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High flying blimps may be alternative to DirecTV

High flying blimps may be alternative to DirecTV's internet product. The US military uses balloons/blimps in Iraq and Afghanistan for communications and surveillance. »www.boston.com/news/nation/washi···_blimps/
Industry has been examining something similar in the US for wireless communications and internet access.
»www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/6C5D···00120D7A
But that’s not to say dreams of mega-speed Web downloads are over. Challenging Proteus for sheer audacity is the Stratellite, a giant airship that uses solar powered engines to sit at about 65,000ft, beaming data over a radius of about 77,700 square kilometres — think blimp meets mobile phone tower.

The Stratellite, which has been developed by a company called Sanswire, is 74.6m long, 44.2m high, and contains nearly 37 million litres of gas. Made of Kevlar, the dirigible is powered by electric motors and held in a position determined by six GPS units. In addition to Internet data, it can be fitted for mobile phone transmission, paging, fixed wireless telephony and high definition TV broadcasts. The downside is that the Stratellite can only sustain 18 months in the air without repairs.

It’s also cumbersome, but the blimp’s advantage over satellites is that it sits much lower to the ground, so it theoretically doesn’t suffer from the same data lag problems.
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BBWEST

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Re: High flying blimps may be alternative to DirecTV

How bout Bowel
Broadband over waterline ethernet link

Yeah thatll work

Or we country bumbkins can stick with
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Monster Rain
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Blimps are the worst idea in the history or Broadband, I'm sorry

Hayward
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said by LiamJunket See Profile:

High flying blimps may be alternative to DirecTV's internet product. The US military uses balloons/blimps in Iraq and Afghanistan for communications and surveillance.
And they use them here to (ineffectually) propagandise Cuba as well
Problem with such technology though is it can only work in perfect weather... how many places is that true??? And even here where much of the year it is, though often to windy when clear... I doubt they are up more than about 50% of the time and mostly daylight hours where they can observe them and low flying planes can see them.
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vic102482
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DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

They could easily sqeeze competetors like comcast into a pinch if they added some more value to their service like a free tivo with 2 year signup or something like that, and stopped charging for extra recievers. Latency and satellite will always be a problem, you are talking 26,000 miles round trip.
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Re: DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

said by vic102482 See Profile:

Latency and satellite will always be a problem, you are talking 26,000 miles round trip.
It's actually 22,000 miles one way, and 44,000 miles round trip. It takes about 250 milliseconds for a round trip, so considering the fact that the signal has to make two round trips for Internet access, the distance alone is adding 500 milliseconds. Then you have to include the time it takes for the data to get from the NOC to the server, and back. There's just no way of reducing the latency with geosynchronous satellites.

That being said, and me being a DirecTV customer, I was very glad to hear that they were re-purposing Spaceway to do HD.
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There are a lot of things I'd like DTV to do. Freeing up these satellites for more HDTV is a start. I believe they are launching two more satellites early next year and are planning on having 1500+ HD channels available.

I'd also like for them to turn on the USB ports on the DirecTivos and enable the HMO option. I've upgraded my main DirecTivo receiver in my living room to record 160 hours but would like to share the content with the DirecTivo receiver in the bedroom.

However, since DirecTV and Tivo seem to be on the way out when their contract ends, that may be wishful thinking.
vic102482
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Re: DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

said by Queasy See Profile:

There are a lot of things I'd like DTV to do. Freeing up these satellites for more HDTV is a start. I believe they are launching two more satellites early next year and are planning on having 1500+ HD channels available.

I'd also like for them to turn on the USB ports on the DirecTivos and enable the HMO option. I've upgraded my main DirecTivo receiver in my living room to record 160 hours but would like to share the content with the DirecTivo receiver in the bedroom.

However, since DirecTV and Tivo seem to be on the way out when their contract ends, that may be wishful thinking.
Whats going to happen to existing tivo users?
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Re: DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

said by vic102482 See Profile:

Whats going to happen to existing tivo users?
Dunno. I imagine the hardware would still be usable (Ultimate TV is still supported despite being dead) but there would be no new DTV/Tivo product lines. DirecTV is supposed to be coming out with their own DVR in the next year or so based off of technology from a UK company. Keep in mind though that the DirecTV/Tivo contract runs to 2006 or 2007.
vic102482
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Re: DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

said by Queasy See Profile:

said by vic102482 See Profile:


Whats going to happen to existing tivo users?
Dunno. I imagine the hardware would still be usable (Ultimate TV is still supported despite being dead) but there would be no new DTV/Tivo product lines. DirecTV is supposed to be coming out with their own DVR in the next year or so based off of technology from a UK company. Keep in mind though that the DirecTV/Tivo contract runs to 2006 or 2007.
I wish they could part ways, Im sick of not being able to transfer to my computer without hhaving to modify the box. I got alot of shows like the DIY and just crazy football games that I dont want to delete. Itd be so mch easier if I could put it on my computer to burn to DVD.
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Re: DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

said by vic102482 See Profile:

I wish they could part ways, Im sick of not being able to transfer to my computer without hhaving to modify the box. I got alot of shows like the DIY and just crazy football games that I dont want to delete. Itd be so mch easier if I could put it on my computer to burn to DVD.
Bear in mind that regardless of who is providing DVR's for DirecTV, it's always going to be difficult to get them to allow you to transfer perfect digital copies of shows off DTV and onto DVD. Hollywood is not going to like that one bit.
vic102482
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Re: DTV should focus on HDTV and lowering prices

said by Eat Me See Profile:

said by vic102482 See Profile:


I wish they could part ways, Im sick of not being able to transfer to my computer without hhaving to modify the box. I got alot of shows like the DIY and just crazy football games that I dont want to delete. Itd be so mch easier if I could put it on my computer to burn to DVD.
Bear in mind that regardless of who is providing DVR's for DirecTV, it's always going to be difficult to get them to allow you to transfer perfect digital copies of shows off DTV and onto DVD. Hollywood is not going to like that one bit.
Yeah but doesnt Tivos competetor allow that out of the box?
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said by Queasy See Profile:

said by vic102482 See Profile:


Whats going to happen to existing tivo users?
Dunno. I imagine the hardware would still be usable (Ultimate TV is still supported despite being dead) but there would be no new DTV/Tivo product lines. DirecTV is supposed to be coming out with their own DVR in the next year or so based off of technology from a UK company. Keep in mind though that the DirecTV/Tivo contract runs to 2006 or 2007.
Tivo is still king right now in my opinion. Directivo is the greatest thing since sliced bread and has changed the way I watch TV. Now, if Directv does ditch Tivo and come out with a new box, that is fine. It is my hope that this other DVR will be better than Tivo which is why they would move to it.
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mglunt

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From a couple Tivo / DTV message boards, I have heard that Tivo will continue to be DTV's "premium" DVR for the fee, with something else with maybe no fee or a smaller fee as a standard option.

DTV would anger a ton of their customers if they cut ties with Tivo... including me.

Maybe DTV plans to finally upgrade to 4.0 (HMO support), charge more for the Tivo, but offer the standard DVR without service fees or something. I do think that stand alone Tivo service is more with HMO than without. Not sure on that though.
JofCore

join:2004-09-15
Sebewaing, MI

I'd also like for them to turn on the USB ports on the DirecTivos and enable the HMO option. I've upgraded my main DirecTivo receiver in my living room to record 160 hours but would like to share the content with the DirecTivo receiver in the bedroom.
I'm pretty sure you can enable the USB ports on the DirecTivos w/a hack. I have a series1 which doesn't have USB, so I'm not positive though (had to add internal network card on mine )

Anyway, once you enable the USB and get a USB network adapter, you can then extract and insert shows into either TiVo. I'm not sure if there's a way to "share" w/out the manual extraction/insertion process. (You can, however, stream programs directly off your TiVo to an xbox running XBMC...)

A couple places to look for info are:
www.tivocommunity.com
www.dealdatabase.com/forum/

Hayward
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said by vic102482 See Profile:

you are talking 26,000 miles round trip.
Sorry no more like 92,000 miles 2 way round trip... and still 46,000 for land return systems.
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furlonium
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Lower latency?

So would these new satellites have given customers a much lower latency, somehow? Or just faster broadband access? I'm thinking the latter; the article doesn't give much info.

DirecTV's gonna piss off a lotta people. They pull crap like this, probably knowing that most of their customers can't get any other broadband options, like DSL/Cable.

SpitefulCrow
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Re: Lower latency?

Well I wouldn't exactly call satellite internet "broadband"...

starstuff
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Re: Lower latency?

.12 sec going up and .12 sec down, .24 sec (240ms) total... at least. Not for gamers, VOIP, VPNs and other critical latency applications.
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Re: Lower latency?

I use vpn via cisco for work with cellular networks and my latency is around 400 ms. Works fine. However satellite is something like 600 + ms latency.
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joebear29

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Why not? It can have a fairly good downstream. Sure there are restrictions, but it's still broadband.
BBWEST

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Re: Lower latency?

It is not broadband 500ms + lag more like 1 second plus
no matter how much pipe you have it sucks.

No VOIP no VPN which is what I need it for its not broadband.

You either work for QWORST or the Goverment.

Hayward
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Re: Lower latency?

Or they just don give a crap about real time intensive application and just like the relatively massive speed increase over dial-up.

Latency is no part of the term broadband... just bandwidth.

Latency is just a qualifier.
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joebear29

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said by BBWEST See Profile:

It is not broadband 500ms + lag more like 1 second plus
no matter how much pipe you have it sucks.

No VOIP no VPN which is what I need it for its not broadband.

You either work for QWORST or the Goverment.
As Hayward pointed out, low latency is not required for broadband.

And what is up with people accusing others of working for others? So far, I've been accused of working for the government, BellSouth, Charter, OOL, the RIAA, the MPAA and now Qwest. Apparently some people cannot understand that someone disagrees with them unless that person is being paid by the other side.

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It would have provided greater bandwidth:

»www.hns.com/HNS/Rooms/DisplayPag···F811F0]]

The latency problem isn't going away unless they find a way to shatter the laws of physics.
DarkGryphon7

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Re: Lower latency?

Tachyon burst transmitters! Or quantum waveform fold generators. Either one should do the trick.


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Re: Lower latency?

said by DarkGryphon7 See Profile:

Tachyon burst transmitters! Or quantum waveform fold generators. Either one should do the trick.


or a Flux Capacitor
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Re: Lower latency?

said by furlonium See Profile:

said by DarkGryphon7 See Profile:


Tachyon burst transmitters! Or quantum waveform fold generators. Either one should do the trick.


or a Flux Capacitor
But in that case wouldn't your message arrive before it left?
Freezone

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Re: Lower latency?

Well you could calibrate i to be excatly 0 ms. We do not want to mess up the time stream. Man that would be an ethical question worse than stem cell research.

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Re: Lower latency?

Perhaps the bigger question is where is the average persong going to get 1.21 Jigawatts(Gigawatts)?

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Re: Lower latency?

K-Mart
Jeeze!!!!

Kompressor
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SubSpace signals would cure the problem.

You could have a real-time telephone conversation with someone in our neighboring star-system using subspace technology.

Subspace signals travel many times faster than the speed of light, but subspace radio signals, even those highly focused and radially polarized will decay over time and even "surface" to become normal slower EM. Therefore a subspace relay will have to be set every 22.65 light years under optimal galactic conditions. Note that this is an approximation, subatomic particles, dark matter and high intensity gravity wells have been known to disrupt, deflect or even absorb subspace transmissions, therefore an average string-cell will be approximately twenty light years.

Scientists continue to conduct experiments with higher energy levels in an attempt to drive communications signals into "deeper" layers of subspace, where it is thought the signal will travel up to 80% farther prior to decay.
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DUUUUUDE!!
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Re: Lower latency?

said by Kompressor See Profile:

SubSpace signals would cure the problem.

You could have a real-time telephone conversation with someone in our neighboring star-system using subspace technology.

Subspace signals travel many times faster than the speed of light, but subspace radio signals, even those highly focused and radially polarized will decay over time and even "surface" to become normal slower EM. Therefore a subspace relay will have to be set every 22.65 light years under optimal galactic conditions. Note that this is an approximation, subatomic particles, dark matter and high intensity gravity wells have been known to disrupt, deflect or even absorb subspace transmissions, therefore an average string-cell will be approximately twenty light years.

Scientists continue to conduct experiments with higher energy levels in an attempt to drive communications signals into "deeper" layers of subspace, where it is thought the signal will travel up to 80% farther prior to decay.
Ahh hmmm ahhh. Does captain kirk know about this ?

Holy cow talk about something that made no sense to me at all. Time to go do some reading I guess.
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You make it sound as if you really know what you are talking about. Too much Star Trek?
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Re: Lower latency?

Too much ogling T-Pol...

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said by furlonium See Profile:

DirecTV's gonna piss off a lotta people. They pull crap like this, probably knowing that most of their customers can't get any other broadband options, like DSL/Cable.
DirecTV will head in the direction of increasing profits and I'm betting that "satellite internet access" ain't it... HDTV is the future of television and this gives D* an enormous advantage.
jbjetta
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the good and the bad about this

Actually, I know people who are loosing their jobs over this decision. The idea of the program was to use Ka band which is lower latency then the current satellites using along with more data throughput. Sure latency wouldn't be that great, but still Ka is lower latency frequency.

In the end I am happy they are putting the bandwidth to use by carrying HD channels, now I just hope those on the project can find other jobs at Hughs or somewhere else.

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BBWEST

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SBB is a waste

The latency issue makes it slower than dialup for vpn and VOIP forget it.
Then like me NLOS makes it impossible to get.
Oh and the price .....

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said by BBWEST See Profile:

The latency issue makes it slower than dialup
No it DOESN'T.... just less responsive.... once a stream is flowing it kicks dial-up's a**

IT IS a GIVEN that it is NOT for time critical applications....SO WHAT? there is lots of other stuff out there, that cooks and makes dial-up pale.
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chd176

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no other choice

I'm now on DSL but I was using Direcway for almost a year and I know how some people have that as their only choice. I for one, feel bad for DirecTV only using these satellites for HDTV. Customers in rural areas need a choice of a broadband like service. Sure it's no DSL or Cable and there is always going to be horrible latency but the speeds should be improved...even more so the slower than dialup uploads. Thankfully WildBlue is coming out but until consumers actually start using it then it is still just a hype. I would like more HDTV channels just like the next person I just think it should be shared for internet access as well.
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Re: no other choice

said by chd176 See Profile:

Customers in rural areas need a choice of a broadband like service. Sure it's no DSL or Cable and there is always going to be horrible latency but the speeds should be improved.
And part of the problem is that since they don't TARGET ADS/SALES that way... a LOT of the bandwidth is taken up by those that DON'T REALLY need it.

It is starting to drop off as word of mouth spreads, but it has astounded me over the last few years, the number of people posting here complaining that didn't even HAVE to use satellite.
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General Motors for ya!

Why does'nt GM hook antennas to they SUVs and smoke stacks for a good time? Or maybe use Onstar or XM satellites since they own these too!

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Re: General Motors for ya!

OnStar uses the existing cellular network. That wouldn't work any better than what's already been tried on the cellular net.
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Gm and DirecTV

Please Note that GM no longer owns DirecTV or DirecWay

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Re: Gm and DirecTV

General Motors Corporation manufactures and sells vehicles worldwide under the Chevrolet, Buick, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saturn, and GMC names. The Company also has financing and insurance operations. In addition, General Motors produces products and provides services in other industries such as satellite and wireless communications.

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Of course!

>>When the Wall Street Journal hinted at such a move last May, DirecTV issued a defensive press release decrying the claims as inaccurate.

Well, yes, the executive options wouldn't be coming due until now.
mglunt

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Sat great for rural areas, but...



Sat is great for rural customers, but I get the feeling that DTV didn't think they would get enough additional customers in the near future to make full use of this Sat in that way. I don't understand all the details, but it makes sense to me. I also don't know how many internet customers they have or if the number is growing or falling.

As DSL and Cable are brought to more homes, those people in those areas with Sat internet are probably dropping it.

People living in Rural areas probably don't have jobs / lifestyles that require HSI. So, getting them to pay the price of Sat internet is probably not easy either.

Its great that it is available, and if I had no other option, I would sign up, but in areas where other choices are available, the technology just can't compete... unless the local cable company is a complete joke.
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Re: Sat great for rural areas, but...

I currently use Direcway b/c it's my only option. Believe me, I would drop it in a heart beat if cable or DSL became available. And it's not like I live in never, never land either. There is cable 1 mile from my house on one side and 2 miles from my house on the other side. Both different companies. I fall into one of those cable "black holes" I guess. There is also a RT with my local telco (CenturyTel) 2 miles from my house; right where the cable ends too....how ironic. If CenturyTel would just install a DSLAM into that RT I could have DSL. And that same RT could serve approx. 100 houses. So why haven't they upgraded it for DSL??? Beats me. I think one reason there isn't any cable here is b/c I live right on the county line. One company ran cable all the way to the line(Adelphia), and the other which serves my county didn't(Time Warner). I just love the way they own the license for my area and just sit on it not upgrading a thing!:(
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[TWC] wants wants to charge me $25,000 for RR

Evoxfan
Your story is the closest to mine I heard so far.
I also live between 2 towns and 2 cable companies.
Time Warner Cable holds the franchise to my town.
They want to charge me $25,000 to extend their service to
my home. Its not even particularly rural. DSL is not
available. I refuse to use Directway/Directpc/Starband
due to VPN over KU satellite slows down to dialup speed,
and the 500MB daily cap would slow me down to dialup speed
23 hours a day (I would use the 500MB cap in about an hour).
Thus, I have 3 phone lines to my house, 2 of them always
in use dialup'd into 2 computers. To read my story, browse
»[TWC] [TWC] wants wants to charge me $25,000 for RR

Thanks for posting.
BBWEST

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Port Angeles, WA

It is not great for rural areas
It sucks
It is to pricey
and it craps out in rain, trees , wind
Can't use for VPN cannot use for VOIP
In case you had not figured it out the Internet is more than HTML and pop3 these days.
And yes I need and I am just a dumb godamn farmer
trying to feed your lazy suburban asses
FU

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mglunt,

Believe it or not, most rural users are looking for HSI too. They're creating their own jobs via the Internet; marketing hand-made products, working as resellers, working as contract medical transcribers, etc. We should know, that's what we and many of our neighbors are doing.

We're fortunate to live on the major road that the cable system has strung it's cable along and can get cable Internet. Others not as fortunate are searching for other options. Many are really stuck with satellite. The rural phone carriers have not had their feet held to the fire by regulators and are extremely slow investing money in improving their systems, so forget about seeing DSL anytime soon. (When we left the east coast, we found it interesting that rural telephone carriers seem to add more charges to their bills than most carriers that serve suburban and urban markets. We're not sure where that extra money goes--it doesn't seem to be spent on equipment.)

GlenQuagmire
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Who Cares

Directv has great TV content but their broadband sucks. Who want to play UT 2004 with 600ms + ping times. Nothing I will miss.

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Re: Who Cares

said by GlenQuagmire See Profile:

Directv has great TV content but their broadband sucks. Who want to play UT 2004 with 600ms + ping times. Nothing I will miss.
What makes you think UT 2004 players or RT gamers period are such a huge market share?

You want/need a Ferarri you buy a Ferrari.

You don't expect the Geo to do the same but it still gets you from here to there.

VOIP maybe be nice and a possible cost saving where practical but hardly a neccessity.
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Re: Who Cares

said by Hayward See Profile:

VOIP maybe be nice and a possible cost saving where practical but hardly a neccessity.
Well many users of DTV are otherwise "off the grid" and have no access to phone as is the problem where I live in Baja. That's why we had such high hopes for VoIP.

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Re: Who Cares

I know LA is getting bad.... but last I heard Beverly Hills had not relocated to the Baja

But as I said if you just treat satellite VOIP as a walkie talkie where you pause... maybe even say "over" and resist interupting.... it CAN work still.

But short of changing the laws of physics NO increase in capacity is going to substantially reduce latency.
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Re: Who Cares

said by Hayward See Profile:

I know LA is getting bad.... but last I heard Beverly Hills had not relocated to the Baja
I'm back and forth. The odd thing is that international calls that are relayed over satellite don't seme to have the same latecy.

Brett

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Yeah, well the thing is that though most assume that, it doesn't happen that way any more, it is virtually all under ocean fiber now (THOUSANDS OF THEM) and much shorter distance... less than 5-10K miles most often. (With the exception of satellite CELL but even then back to ground and mostly land routed. (and there is still 1/2 sec delay)

Not feeling like finding a link from Google, I have seen a map of underseas cables (mostly fiber now) and its really mind boggling how many there are now.... same way you can get a 500ms or less overseas internet connection from DSL or cable... none of it goes to satellite.

The only things that routinely do anymore are TV news remotes, because of the spot nature and high bandwidth ... and you notice if they are live, there is ALWAYS the 1 sec delay between any question and correspondent replying. Even if they are in the same area but being transmitted that way.
(Or even longer if other side of the world and two satellite hops to get there)
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'hope WildBlue stays the course ...

With no Cable here, satellite will be my only Broadband option for a long, long time.

WildBlue says they'll work with VPN.

As for latency, I'm over 12 years old and have a life, so I don't care a rat's arse about games.
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Latency???

You do know that when you talk on a cell phone there is a good chance the latency is around 300-500 ms.. just call yourself from your cell to a landline and you will here the latency... So if thats the case then VOIP would not really suffer...

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Re: Latency???

Well except that with switching and added land (and VOIP netwoirk itself) delays its closer to a full second,
But if you can learn to treat it like a walkie talkie where you pause and don't intereupt it can still physically work.
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Quantum Entanglement anyone?

Here is an interesting theory that could solve the problem

»physics.about.com/gi/dynamic/off···_inequal ity.html

and another
»www.newscientist.com/hottopics/q···ooky.jsp

And here is it being tested

We report the first experimental long distance demonstration of this fascinating aspect of quantum mechanics," said Nicolas Gisin, a physicist at the University of Geneva.

His team teleported qubits carried by photons—particles of light—of 0.05 inch (1.3mm) wavelength in one laboratory onto photons of 0.06 inch (1.55mm) wavelength in another laboratory 180 feet (55 meters) away along 1.2 miles (2 kilometers) of fiber optic wire.

In 1997 and again in 1998, scientists successfully demonstrated the concept of quantum teleportation by transferring two dimensional systems over short distances, such as from one side of a table to the next. Gisin and his team prove that the concept of quantum teleportation holds up at longer distances.

»news.nationalgeographic.com/news···ort.html

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More pains of the "huge footprint"

Once again, I get to sound like a broken record:

These "huge footprint" solutions for BB do little more than waste frequencies--especially when considering denser, urban areas.

Yes, having a base station antenna which can cover some large number of square miles makes sense when you are trying to serve ranchers in Utah--but it makes no sense at all in any of our urban areas.

Satellite, as the ultimate "big footprint" can't even distinguish between covering ranches outside Green River, UT and Salt Lake City--much less Denver or Phoenix. When a satellite uses some portion of its capacity to handle a VoIP user's conversation, that capacity is wiped out for the entire satellite coverage area--about half or two-thirds of the US. What a waste.

There are wireless BB solutions of value--but they have footprints appropriate with the densities of the areas they will cover. Satellite has only one footprint, and it's huge.

The truly interesting question is whether top management at DirectTV knew and understood this before investing billions, or whether they were ignorant of the basic limitations of their product capacity.

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