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Hurley, MS | Finally It's about time. | |
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Ryno
The Wanderer
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Danielsville, PA | Re: Finally Yeh right, lets give the phone companies more breaks while they still refuse to invest outside of towns. Phone and cable keep upping the ante in town yet ignoring those people whos houses aren't 20 per block. | |
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brandon
Some truth included in this post.
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Hurley, MS | Re: Finally I'm living proof of the opposite my friend. | |
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SpitefulCrow
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Berkeley, CA | You know why? Because they LOSE MONEY if they do so. No company worth its salt will take actions that result in a net loss.  | |
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| "More breaks?!?!" Ok, let me see if I get this... Saying that, "yes, Mr. BOC, you can invest billions of dollars in a network and we will not nationalize it and make you "share" it..." is giving them a break?
Harkening back to the days of the old monopoly is getting really really old. If you forgot, they broke AT&T up 22 years ago. The CLECs could have used those 22 years to invest in infrastructure or diversify. They did not.
The real competition is not between ILEC and CLEC - it is between DSL and cable, wireline and wireless, cable and satellite, copper and fiber.
I pay $46.95 per month for DSL and unlimited long distance - those two combined are less than my AT&T wireless bill. What, on the face of this planet, as a consumer, in your wildest dreams, could you possibly have to bitch about if someone wants to invest billions in more infrastructure and not be forced by a bloated, political, regulatory agency, to share it with people who do not have enough sense to invet in their OWN businesses...? | |
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Ryno
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Danielsville, PA | WE know this, yet they continue to lie and tell the government they will be able to provide everyone with 10000mb of broadband. The government buys it, then cuts them big breaks and they are the only winners. | |
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SpitefulCrow
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Berkeley, CA | Re: Finally Then maybe the government should stop buying into what they say.
And the way to do that is to get people to vote for candidates that oppose tax breaks and subsidies. | |
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| Yes, but under this plan my guess is that there will come a point where the copper plan will dillapidate and 'whither on the vine' so to speak... while fiber gets all the attention.. albiet not today-- but in the next 2 decades- it simply is not wise to run copper for such long distances where data is neccessary unless they get reasonable costs under control to deal with bw attenuation.. with dsl, its simply not practical to put remote terminals at EVERY point that the signal degrades too much.. fiber runs are the way to go.. now telcos just need to deliver, deploy and actually provide service, and cablecos will follow suit..
pity the thought that VZ would offer voip, 15mbit data and 150 channels for like $100/mo with a free installation, router and video box (terminal) 
not to mention, fiber buildouts will be 622:122mbits bandwidth capable.. it's like having a dedicated 1:1 connection with 50-90% bw(more or less) under HFC direct to the cable plant (fiber hub) and not shared.. | |
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SpitefulCrow
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| Re: Finally Again. If Verizon gets tax breaks for doing nothing, stop electing the Representatives and Senators that PASS these tax breaks. That's how the political system is supposed to work. The reason it doesn't is that less than half of the eligible population votes. | |
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Roger245
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| I live about 15 miles west of the city limits of Houston and I have no broadband service - I use ISDN.
I am about 8 miles from my Central Office, which has DSL but my lines go through a Remote Terminal that is not DSL-capable. Currently, SBC is laying fiber right in front of my home. They painted liens to me pedestal and installed a new pedestal on a vacant lot next to mine and hooked it up directly to the fiber. The installation crew say they are laying fiber for phone and computer lines. I was pessimistic, thinking SBC was bypassing me to some new neighborhoods being developed past me. But with the crew hooking up a pedestal and painting lines to mine (say SBC will hook-it-up later) and then reading about Project Lightspeed, I am starting to think I will have a fiber to my premises connection.
Should I be optimistic - from what I wrote, does it sound as SBC is hooking me up to fiber? | |
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ropeguru
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| I figured that this is the way the FCC would rule. And I personally do not have a problem with it. Since it is a full new build out for the ILEC's then they shouldn't have to share. Any other CLEC could do the same thing.
People in here will probably disagree with me by saying that the CLEC's do not have enough money to do this. But if one stops to think, most CLEC's are located in a much smaller geographical area as the ILEC's and would not have as much to build out.
Now the CLEC's I am speaking of are those that try and rival the ILEC's services directly. My best example would be like Cavalier Telephone here in my area. | |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | i've got a better idea
Lease the old copper back!
They should give it back to the public domain (which paid for it in the first place) and let other companies use it and pay for the maintenance. | |
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1 edit | Re: i've got a better idea Not as simple as it sounds. Maintaining copper is the most expensive thing the telcos have to do, it takes a significant amount of money and man power. In fact, once their entire network is all fiber they will be very happy because its is much easier to have fiber than thousands and thousands and thousands of pairs of aging copper that you have to supply electricity to, and splice and switch etc. | |
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| Re: i've got a better idea said by mishaq  :
Not as simple as it sounds. Maintaining copper is the most expensive thing the telcos have to do, it takes a significant amount of money and man power. In fact, once their entire network is all fiber they will be very happy because its is much easier to have fiber than thousands and thousands and thousands of pairs of aging copper that you have to supply electricity to, and splice and switch etc.
So I guess this means that once telco's lay fiber everywhere, everyone can expect cheaper internet/telephone service over those glass lines? HA, yeah right!
Just like when the RIAA was producing tapes at a cost of $2? $1.50? and selling them for $15 and CDs come along and cost about $0.03 to produce yet the savings were sucked up by greedy snakes instead of selling us CDs for $5-$8. Their excuse was "higher advertising budget, etc etc etc". I can't wait to see the BS excuses telcos come up with to justify paying the same....er, MORE for cheaper fiber (vs copper) and lower line maint. | |
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clubs: | Re: i've got a better idea But faster speeds for the same price I will take easily any day. | |
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SteveCon
IBEW 2222 Boston, MA
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| If the copper plant were "given to the public domain" then those "competitive rates" charged by CLECs would disappear! The CLECs couldn't afford to maintain the plant and compete with the ILECs. They might do it at the large biz customer level, but not at the residential level as the residential market is the most costly to serve. The result would be expensive telephony services that would become more and more unstable. Does this really serve anyone?? Besides, if fiber went by your home - would you want DSL as we know it (over copper)? | |
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Goldengamego
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Okemos, MI
|  um......
"but will have to lease existing copper runs they upgrade to fiber."
Is that not just about every DSL line in the US???
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Digital_Boy
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| San Diego residents may get lit a bit sooner... Heard an interesting bit of news from one of our construction guys. They're gearing up for a big push around the end of Q1 '05 for deploying FTTP in greenbelt AND brownbelt areas.
Seems the San Diego City Council wants SBC to tear down all the old "aerial" infrastructure and stick it in the ground. Guess since we get picked to host the Superbowl and such all the time, they want to pretty up the city. It's going to happen, but SDCC wants SBC to pay all of the bill for doing it, and SBC is taking them to court about it. But, either way, existing areas and new construction will be upgraded in the next few years here in SD.  | |
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join:2002-01-10
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paulhaskew
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join:2002-01-10
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1 edit | Re: hmmm first off, your remark is totally RUDE!!! I guess your momma didn't teach you, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
um, it gonna be a lot longer than that for me... I am in a Qwest area...  | |
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GemSnake
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clubs: | Re: hmmm Well, let's not discuss my manners here. My comment meant to be rude. Now, that you editted your post, it makes more sense.
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
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clubs: | Where is my DSL? | |
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Port Angeles, WA | IT is JSTP "jack shit to premise"
QWORST has less than 50% DSL deployment
that are so broke they can't pay attention and they have all these folks like suffering working for them that are jerks. | |
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paulhaskew
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| heh, couldn't agree with you more about Qwest... anywho, there is an RT about 800 feet from my house... I know there is fiber in the ground as well, they are always over working on it...
but, I doubt it will be anytime soon that we see FTTP or FTTH from Qwest... can't build stuff when you got your head in the mud...
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| This can only be good Let's face it, the idea of unbundling has proven to be a false god. Unbundling doesn't put fiber in the ground. It doesn't promote investment. | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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Philly burbs | I'll dance a jig.. When the fiber backs up to my eaves.
An not a second before. We were all ready sold a bill of goods here in PA.
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join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
| Let the competition BEGIN! According to what I heard apartments in NYC will only get fiber to the building if they dont already have it so even though Im looking forward to fiber, I honestly dont think that the buildings will pay the thousands of dollars necessary to outfit new equipment. I guess if the tenants really and I mean really want it, we could take a vote on it with the co-op board and such cost to run cable though would mean extra money per month on our maintanence bills for upgrades.
I think this ruling is in all of our interests however. In my area we have 3 broadband options, RCN, Verizon and Time Warner and all 3 will be triple play options with voice, video and data now that Verizon will be doing FIOS with TV. Also let us not forget, home owners and apartment owners with balconies and the like (I dont have such) will be also able to still get TV through DIRECTV and Dishnetwork and even 2 way satellite internet and the like. So on the TV side we will have competition, and on the broadband side, we will have competition although not as good due to latency issues at this time. Higher revenue per user means we get fiber and we have competition especially in NYC Metro. Time Warner will have to increase speeds and be more competitive on pricing to compete. And RCN will have to figure out a way to profitability whether it be with a takeover, or whatnot. Infrastructure is there and in place and will definitely be used even if RCN does not emerge from bankruptcy because the big cost was rolling it out which increased RCN's debt load. 3 options for us for wired broadband/CATV is excellent. Unfortunately most areas will have 2 providers and some may only lucky to have 1. And some areas will have a competing municipal fiber company as well.
This will not entrench the companies providing our broadband because there will be competition for something that is REALLY EXPENSIVE to roll out and deploy. As prices come down, we will have new entrants gradually come in. Companies can also come outside of their own territories and compete as well. So if SBC wanted to they could also come into play in NYC for fiber although likely only after they built fiber in their own markets that was profitable.
This news is WIN WIN for all of us and its the only way to lead us to fiber and newer services and will encourage the incumbent cable cos to move/build out more fiber.
Now let the COMPETITION BEGIN! Right now Im on RCN whos bankrupt and service quality is bad (For users in my community at least) . However they are bankrupt and are competing solely on price to retain their existing customers.
With competition on RCN, Time Warner or Verizon, who would you choose? Now we will finally after years of having a forced cable + telephone company have REAL choice! | |
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CO_Chris
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Broomfield, CO | Where do i sign up? Where do i sign up SBC?? I would be all over this asap. | |
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wicked_wifi
Are You Wifi Compatible
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1 edit | Re: Where do i sign up? Pass me my shovel, i'll help them dig the holes to run the lines. | |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | Whitacre is full of bull This guy gets paid to talk, talk is cheap. But fiber isn't..expect your kids kids to talk of old DSL not you. :P | |
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I_Machine
join:2004-02-06
San Diego, CA
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Right? | |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
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Round Rock, TX | I bet CLECs will sue FCC It aint over until fat lady speaks... Oh, congress may step in as well. Rules do change. | |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| Someone take a picture! Take note of the current price and number of players in your current location as of now and archive this thread.
In about 5 years the number of players will be greatly reduced and the cost will by greatly increased.
PriceWatch:
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vzemp
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| Reason FCC decision was right decision 1. Whoever builds it, keeps it. That's fair. The stupid line-sharing rules are like something from a communist or socialist government. I don't see UPS sharing their trucks with FedEx, Intel doesn't share chips with AMD, and Ford doesn't make cars for Chevrolet.
2. Perfect example is wireless (cellular) service. There are six national carriers, all of them compete using their own facilities, no sharing (unless mutually agreed upon) and the result has been that the marketplace has dictated prices not the government. And no one here can tell me that prices for wireless service has increased or that quality of service has decreased. Just the opposite is true.
3. RBOCS will not have a triple play, they have a grand slam homerun:
1)Telephone service
2)Internet service
3)Video service
4)Cellphone service
4. There will always be competition, and competition should come through technology not through line sharing. Japan is already developing TV service through cellphone service. Just need plenty of spectrum for high bandwidth. Hence choices in the future will be:
RBOCs, Cable cos, Wireless cos
5. Best value will come from RBOCs as far as internet, phone, and cellular. Video will still be dominated by cable companies because they know what they're doing when it comes to video, the rbocs are new to this field. Verizon will be offering its video service over its fiber lines by 1Q 2005, we'll see if they can get the right programming at the right price.
6. Satellite technology will probably improve and be a competitor offering voice and internet in the future adding another choice.
7. Pennsylvania doesn't deserve fiber because they have Chapter 64
8. Nothing in life is free, so why should fiber?
9. Unbundling fiber is an oxymoron. Here's why: The unbundling of fiber is an idea supported by Democrats. Democrats are liberals. Liberals support the idea of not forcing ideas upon anyone "freedom of ______"; yet they want to force unbundling fiber. See the oxymoron? | |
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clubs: | Re: Reason FCC decision was right decision Spoken like a true ignorant anonymous Verizon shill. | |
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Hardryve7
join:2004-04-19
Bronson, FL
| Here's the real Good-Idea: "Skype" period. Just get "Skype" at: »www.skype.com/
We may have to pay up continuously to all communication comps, but when free program's like "Skype" are around and if you have tried it you know it's an excellent telephony program, then use it and get some of your money saved for other things, more important things, Christmas is just around the corner, get "Skype" will ya!
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