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Ottawa, IL | I hope this works To good to be true | |
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Aggie Dan
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| Go figure. UNE-P is endangered so they come up with something else to replace it and provide more of the service themselves.
Congrats to Covad for actually making an investment, which is the whole point of repealing UNE-P.
Time to buy some Nokia stock if they're the only ones providing this type of hardware.
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Go figure. If Covad suceeds, watch the Bells move to yank the rugs out from under them again..... | |
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Tampa, FL
| Re: Go figure. said by KrK  :
If Covad suceeds, watch the Bells move to yank the rugs out from under them again.....
Agreed...It's all about not wanting someone else in their sandbox, no matter how many other sandboxes the Bells are in...
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| Re: Go figure. Exactly. For example, I'm not sure what the rules are about UNE-L.... but I know this from past history....should Covad, or other CLEC's, start using UNE-L rules to their advantage, the Telco's will lobby to change the rules on UNE-L to cripple them. This is a given. It's so annoying.... Talk about regulatory uncertainty... that's what *ANY* competitor to the ILEC's live under!
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| IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ | With whom does Nokia work with? I can't see that Nokia came up with this technology all alone. Which company helps them with this and their ADSL2+/VDSL technology? | |
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Laurel, MD | Re: With whom does Nokia work with?
Nokia most likely is using international standards, it just happens that they make a UNE-L thats has a small enough footprint to work for the DSL providers. | |
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join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
| Re: With whom does Nokia work with? All UNE-L means is that if we want DSL, we can get covad with their own Voice/data solution vs verizon with their own voice/data solution. It does not improve service for any of us.
We need the death of the copper loop, not a way to reuse the copper loop and just keep the existing copper plant alive.
UNE-L would have been great in the past because it would have made sure that incumbents would not have had the opportunity to unfairly win the fight against competition. Remember those bitter moments of when Covad, and Verizon sued and countersued as well as other CLECs.
Im not against UNE-L and I think under existing regulations and the like it will provide more competition than none. But I wish the carriers would realize that the plant HAS to be replaced. Covad should figure out ways to extend the fiber to homes, not continue to rely on existing POTS infrastructure. | |
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join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY | Re: With whom does Nokia work with? What is needed is new governmental policy. The existing broadband policy by this administration has failed miserably. Japan has 2 competitors for Optical Fiber I believe now. We ought to follow the Japan example. | |
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join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| Re: With whom does Nokia work with? said by icp1 :
Easy to do in a country that is that population dense and where the gov't controls much of the businesses.
Exactly...when people are stacked on top of each other, it is easy to run fiber....
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Everett, MA
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| Re: With whom does Nokia work with? But yet the big cities don't have fiber to the home ? Odd. Please stop making excuses for our country. They could have done it but are just plain to greedy.
On a side note why is it every person in the US if something isn't favorable to us we make excuses about why it isn't nothing like just admitting we screwed up or are to greedy to get the job done.
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Tampa, FL
| Re: With whom does Nokia work with? said by BosstonesOwn :
But yet the big cities don't have fiber to the home ? Odd. Please stop making excuses for our country. They could have done it but are just plain to greedy.
On a side note why is it every person in the US if something isn't favorable to us we make excuses about why it isn't nothing like just admitting we screwed up or are to greedy to get the job done.
This country's largest cities have much more room between buildings than Tokyo. In Tokyo, a typical residential building occupies every square foot of the lot that it is on. It is easy to string fiber between buildings because you just run the fiber along the building.
In the States, many buildings are surrounded by at least a few feet of ground, and often have some form of a back-yard. The only way to run fiber in major cities in the States is either run it underground, or string it on a pole. Not only do these two solutions have excessive costs involved, there are also tons of legal issues to go along with it.
I am more than happy to not have FFTH if it means I can have a yard. If I wanted to live in tight quarters, stacked up against my neighbors, I would move to Tokyo.
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| Re: With whom does Nokia work with? Have you been to a major city in awhile. We have building here 5 stories high with about 8 apartments per floor. And you can't just run it across buildings. They bury the cable underground like we should do in our cities.
The fiber system they plan on deploying is like the current cable system. Strung pole to pole but actually filling the last 1/2 mile with fiber instead of coax cable like cable.
It is very do able.
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join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| Re: With whom does Nokia work with? said by BosstonesOwn :
Have you been to a major city in awhile. We have building here 5 stories high with about 8 apartments per floor. And you can't just run it across buildings. They bury the cable underground like we should do in our cities.
The fiber system they plan on deploying is like the current cable system. Strung pole to pole but actually filling the last 1/2 mile with fiber instead of coax cable like cable.
It is very do able.
For starters, if you read my original post, you would see that I was talking about Tokyo where fiber is strung between buildings.
Also, I *JUST* moved from one of the most populated areas of Chicago, so, yes, I have been to a major city lately.
Have you been to Tokyo lately? Have you seen how fiber is usually implemented there?
Typically, it is run from one building to the next, just by punching through the exterior wall...why...because buildings are right next to each other...literally!
The point is, to put new lines on a pole, you have to pay for the right-of-way because the pole usually belongs to the electric company. Then, you have to invest in weatherproof break-out points on the pole, not to mention the equipment needed on the side of the house/apt building.
Can it be done here in the States? Yup. 21st Century (RCN now) rolled out a pole-based fiber solution in Chicago several years ago; however, the roll out took a few years and was expensive.
Now, the whole point of this is that Tokyo *CAN* implement a solution like this because it is far more cost effective and easier. A similar solution in the States would cost far more money, hence a slower roll-out.
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: With whom does Nokia work with? Take a look more at how the fiber tech verizon is using works you will find that the prices that companies tell you are grossly overinflated.
People in this country make to many excuses for our joke of a network system. The thing is to get the job done and not fall behind the rest of the world.
American way I guess if we can't do it, it costs to much or there is no interest. That is why our country falls by leaps and bounds day after day.
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join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| Re: With whom does Nokia work with? said by BosstonesOwn :
Take a look more at how the fiber tech verizon is using works you will find that the prices that companies tell you are grossly overinflated.
People in this country make to many excuses for our joke of a network system. The thing is to get the job done and not fall behind the rest of the world.
American way I guess if we can't do it, it costs to much or there is no interest. That is why our country falls by leaps and bounds day after day.
I take it you have never planned a mass fiber roll out...If you did, you would understand everything that is involved to even consider tacking fiber to a pole or putting it in the ground.
I have project managed many fiber installs to Customer sites over my years in the telecommunications field...I know what the base costs are involved...I know how much it costs to buy "right-of-way" and I know how to deal with the regulation.
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join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ
| Nokia bought out a company caled something like "Newbridge Networks" or close, a few years ago, they were then using chip technology and IP from outside sources. I am presuming that is likely still the case. Sure Standards are generic, but then the speciific IP and chip technology can differ in performance and capability. So I am wondering where this technology came from other than inhouse. | |
| neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA
 ·Broadvox Direct
| Good Luck to Covad I want to see Covad succeed. And if there pricing will be like the VoIP provider I have now I will switch. But once again I want to see the international prices for the two countries I call and the national plan or regional plan price if there is one. The devil is in the details. | |
| footballdude
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO | How? So, how would this work? Wouldn't they still be piggybacking on RBOC lines? | |
| | achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| Re: How? said by footballdude :
So, how would this work? Wouldn't they still be piggybacking on RBOC lines?
They would just be using the copper at this point. The big issue with UNE-P is that the Bells switching facilities are also used.
With UNE-L, only the copper is used, not the switching equipment.
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| bac522
join:2003-08-04
Manchester, NH
| Huh? This story makes no sense In order for Covad to provide DSL they have to and have always had to use UNE-L. UNE-P is a voice only service and no DSL provider can offer DSL on UNE-P line since it is not tariff as such. I'm guessing the author of this article is referring to "Line Sharing" which is not a UNE-P offering in which case Telephone Online should be embarrassed that the author of the article doesn't know better. | |
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gissa
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Hyde Park, MA
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| Re: Huh? This story makes no sense WRONG. Covad can legally provide DSL on UNE-P via the process of Line Splitting. Line Splitting is when an IXC (ATT, SPrint, MCI etc) are the customer's local voice provider. The IXC rents the whole loop from the RBOC and Covad then uses the high freq portion of the copper loop and connects it to their DSLAM. T was adding significant Line Splitting customers until UNE-P was killed by the courts not too long ago. They are still adding, but not as much volume. Line splitting is technically the same as Line Sharing. The only difference is that with Line Sharing, the RBOC (Baby Bell) is the local voice provider.
The author is 100% correct! Covad's VoIP product (through their large partners) which will be transparent to the end user. This offering will have no distance limitations and will be available to anyone served out of a CO that Covad is located in. The VoIP is done at the CO on Covad's DSLAM. This means that you can use any existing phone jacks in the house and telephones without using special CPE or TA.
The service is power-line so you never have to worry about losing service in an outage. This is going to be the ultimate UNE-P transfer mechanism for the IXCs (AT&T, MCI, Sprint, IDT etc...). You won't even need to be a Covad DSL customer to qualify. In fact, because of the no-distance limits, 40% more people will qualify for Covad's Voice than their DSL.
All typical enchanced features of current consumer VoIP offerings will be included.
This is going to be a HUGE product for the IXCs because it lets them migrate many of the 19 million consumers that have an IXC as a local phone provider. If anything,you might want to look at Covad's stock 
Check out the VoIP forum as we have been speaking about this for a few weeks. Let me know if you have any questions:
»COVAD - Upcoming consumer VoIP offering | |
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ATTek
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join:2000-12-13
Pinon Hills, CA
| Re: Huh? This story makes no sense said by gissa :
WRONG. Covad can legally provide DSL on UNE-P via the process of Line Splitting. Line Splitting is when an IXC (ATT, SPrint, MCI etc) are the customer's local voice provider. The IXC rents the whole loop from the RBOC and Covad then uses the high freq portion of the copper loop and connects it to their DSLAM. T was adding significant Line Splitting customers until UNE-P was killed by the courts not too long ago. They are still adding, but not as much volume. Line splitting is technically the same as Line Sharing. The only difference is that with Line Sharing, the RBOC (Baby Bell) is the local voice provider.
Second that-I've these in. AT&T/Covad is the only combo I've seen do this tho. As far as the story goes, this is nothing new really. MPower Communications has been doing this here in California for years.
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join:2004-03-25
Brooklyn, NY
| Just my two cents ... Supportive in COVAD’s future actions … As a former Verizon and Covad xDSL special services technician , I’m glad to see that someone is “thinking” and moving forward with options and the new xDSL technology.
The new card for the Nokia D500 IP DSLAM will allow Covad to become a major player again yet another thorn so to speak for the RBOC’s. I for one have been stating my little case to the powers that be that the residential market will be the place for VoIP to benefit , (Maybe it was just me , but I don’t see the RBOC’s rushing to tell all there enterprise companies give up all your pricey T1’s that we like collecting revenue on every month.) The residential market and mostly small business / MDU market has been overlooked for years. This option on the DSLAM will perform as follow: It will allow Covad to bypass the RBOC’s switch , by doing this Yes Covad will still be on the RBOC’s cable plant to the customer. Bypassing the RBOC’s switch , Covad can now supply voice service via VoIP with a IP Softswitch , and this VoIP number is now delivered with voltage on the copper loop , thereby making it a true life-line POTS ckt. The service will be carried just like a traditional POTS copper loop , and the plus is that the VoIP number will be already wired throughout the home , as with traditional broadband VoIP service now you must plug it in the back of the TA and work off a cordless phone , unless tech savvy and then perform a loopback to your existing NID if you wanted that number in your existing jacks. As for the actual Data side , the new DSLAM card is ADSL2 compliant and this will extend the traditional ADSL loop distance more than the 15K foot loop and with a greater speed. So overall the new features of this card will bring a major wake up call to the RBOC’s ! I would like to see Covad expand into the MDU market with the remote terminal of this DSLAM for areas and apartment complex’s that cant get DSL now , and I hope you guys have started to watch the price wars and pay attention to the importance of a true VoIP E-911 format that works. Also by the way hope you guys started filing additional paper work to the states that require you acknowledge yourself as a VOICE provider …hint ..hint …
For all my fellow Covad tech’s hang in there … you probably know who this is …hope to be helping you guys install those remote dslams and wi-fi … | |
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