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Stand Alone Complex
Premium
join:2008-03-17
Louisville, KY
clubs: | It would be nice If most of us could say that we were one of those customers. | |
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oldtalk
@optonline.net
| Re: It would be nice said by Laughing Man  :If most of us could say that we were one of those customers. except if they return to old telephone billing scheme of metered billing.. then you could end up buying broadband the same way you buy $4 a gallon gasoline. | |
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Laughing Man
Stand Alone Complex
Premium
join:2008-03-17
Louisville, KY
clubs: | Re: It would be nice Unfortunately, I don't think it's a matter of if but a matter of when. Till then, I'll enjoy my uncapped connection. | |
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DCIFRTHS
join:2000-02-18
Hartsdale, NY
1 edit | said by oldtalk :
except if they return to old telephone billing scheme of metered billing.. then you could end up buying broadband the same way you buy $4 a gallon gasoline.
I would just go back to cable. | |
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Supafly
Premium
join:2000-07-15
Elk Grove, CA
| Re: It would be nice Have to agree, I have 25/25 FTTH through Surewest in Elk Grove and I couldn't be happier. I am paying $79.99 with free 300 minute digital phone service, which is ridiculously awesome.
Only issue with Surewest is that their TV service is extremely lacking. IPTV and uncompressed HD is superb, but their DVR is crap. If they could get a TiVo or MCE working with their service officially, I would add their service in a heartbeat. Until then, OTA FTW! | |
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join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA | it's not synchronous..... its symmetric :P | |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
| So that's roughly... So that's roughly... uh... 1.6% of the American population (As of 2006) with Fiber services available to them?
Interesting...
No wonder we're behind so far in broadband rankings.
Though it would be nice if I could say I was part of that 1.6%... | |
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| cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | Re: So that's roughly... You might try dividing the population by the number of people per household(about 2.5). So that means about 10% of the households have fttp available. | |
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join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | Re: So that's roughly... Yes it is a still a small number, but it is growing at a decent pace. | |
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| openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | You're using numbers for the US. You're also using population instead of households. The slides are for North America Households, not people, so your 1.6% is most likely wrong. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA
| Re: Fiber is either FiOS or not in big cities Fioptic service is being rolled out in Cincy. »www.cincinnatibell.com/fioptics/
Cincinnati MSA is 2,198,337. I think that qualifies as a large market. Certainly larger than Ft. Wayne, IN ( who have fios).
I don't live there, but I am happy to see that another phone company is stepping up with FTTH. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: Fiber is either FiOS or not in big cities True. Wonder what CinBell's speeds are... | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Oh, nevermind. 30/10 for $50 per month. Now that's cool. Not FiOS-cool, but still cool. | |
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Lil Jon
Premium
join:2006-06-26
Lawrenceville, GA
| said by jjeffeory :Fioptic service is being rolled out in Cincy. » www.cincinnatibell.com/fioptics/Cincinnati MSA is 2,198,337. I think that qualifies as a large market. Certainly larger than Ft. Wayne, IN ( who have fios). I don't live there, but I am happy to see that another phone company is stepping up with FTTH. what does MSA stand for? | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| Re: Fiber is either FiOS or not in big cities said by Lil Jon :said by jjeffeory :Fioptic service is being rolled out in Cincy. » www.cincinnatibell.com/fioptics/Cincinnati MSA is 2,198,337. I think that qualifies as a large market. Certainly larger than Ft. Wayne, IN ( who have fios). I don't live there, but I am happy to see that another phone company is stepping up with FTTH. what does MSA stand for? Metropolitan Statistical Area | |
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rdmiller
join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA | North America Does North America include Canada and Mexico? | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: North America It 'should'. Last time I looked, both were in the continent. | |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Uverse Do the numbers include Uverse customers? | |
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aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Uverse said by patcat88 :Do the numbers include Uverse customers? I hope not. Unverse isn't Fiber to the Home is it? | |
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Laughing Man
Stand Alone Complex
Premium
join:2008-03-17
Louisville, KY
clubs:
1 edit | Re: Uverse No, it's Fiber to the Node
Edit: My bad, it's FTTN except for new construction sites. | |
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Laughing Man
Stand Alone Complex
Premium
join:2008-03-17
Louisville, KY
clubs:
1 edit | Re: Uverse Nvm, my question was answered below. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA
| said by aaronwt :said by patcat88 :Do the numbers include Uverse customers? I hope not. Unverse isn't Fiber to the Home is it? I have Uverse. It's absolutely NOT ftth. | |
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join:2005-06-24
| Re: Uverse said by jjeffeory :said by aaronwt :said by patcat88 :Do the numbers include Uverse customers? I hope not. Unverse isn't Fiber to the Home is it? I have Uverse. It's absolutely NOT ftth. Wrong. I have NEW construction which definately is FTTH/FTTP. The key is it is new construction. Greenfield development is where they are deploying ftth/ftth. Existing homes have FTTN. | |
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join:2002-12-04
USA | Re: Uverse You are correct. There are a few NEW construction sites where Uverse is ftth. Thanks for reminding me. | |
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  Re: Uverse
said by jjeffeory :You are correct. There are a few NEW construction sites where Uverse is ftth. Thanks for reminding me. Okay let's dispel this myth, FTTP is not FTTH, so let's hear from a customer that has UVerse and thinks they have FTTH. AT&T would have to change all their electronics to provide FTTH. I think these new construction UVerse customers think they have FTTH when in fact they have FTTP and use Copper into their homes. I might be wrong, but let's hear from someone that has this set up. | |
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xpatman09
join:2009-09-06
Beltsville, MD | Re: Uverse FTTP and FTTH are the same thing. | |
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join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| Re: Uversesaid by xpatman09 :FTTP and FTTH are the same thing. There is a big difference in these two terms, Premise and Home. I worked for PacBell, I should know, Premise is the Local Area and Home is right to your house, like FiOS. Premise could be right to the Box outside on the curb and then Copper into your house. This is what I think UVerse is doing with their new construction. Then the existing electronics could be used, this is why some people say that UVerse is holding back. UVerse is not holding back, Copper into your house is still Copper. | |
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Patrick P
| FTTH and FTTP are both the same thing. Fiber to the premise/home, then converted by a box (and example being an ONT) to copper. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: Uverse Well, not necessarily.
FTTP can also be used as Fibre to the Pole ... which may be the same as FTTN / FTTCab, or as FTTB, FTTC
In other words, we now say Fibre to the X and it could be ANY implementation of Fibre to some black box! There are just so many FTTX abbreviations and so many variants on what it is that any given FTTX might be, it's all black box magic! You need to find out what any specific FTTX implementation actually is, because apart from FTTN, all the others are a little to unspecific! | |
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xpatman09
join:2009-09-06
Beltsville, MD
| Re: Uverse There are a lot of terms out there, just to clear it up, from wikipedia:
* Fiber-to-the-home (FTTH) - fiber reaches the boundary of the living space, such as a box on the outside wall of a home.
* Fiber-to-the-building (FTTB) - fiber reaches the boundary of the building, such as the basement in an multidwelling unit, with the final connection to the individual living space being made via alterative means.
* Fiber-to-the premises (FTTP) - this term is used in several contexts: as a blanket term for both FTTH and FTTB, or where the fiber network includes both homes and small businesses.
* Fiber-to-the-cabinet or fiber-to-the-curb (both abbreviated as FTTC, although FTTCab is sometimes also used) - fiber is terminated in a street cabinet typically closer than 300m of the customer premises, with the final connection being copper.
* Fiber-to-the-node (FTTN) - this is very similar to FTTC, but the street cabinet is further away from the user's premises; it can be up to several kilometers away. | |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Re: Uverse Wikipedia doesn't clear it up at all ... it just adds fat to the fire!
For example, unlike others, FTTN describes Fibre to a *Technical* location and not a *Physical* location. A node being a place where Fibre is split, or converted to other media.
FTTH is taken to mean not simply to the boundary of the living space. It's normally taken to mean a dedicated fibre from some technical location like a node, to your home where it is connected to some device, such as a modem or "Set Top Box" where you get a Gb ethernet connection or a television connection or a phone connection or some combination thereof. It doesn't define the physical location other than the fact that fibre is specifically brought to your home. | |
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join:2001-12-31
Ann Arbor, MI
| said by NewMariner :Wrong. I have NEW construction which definately is FTTH/FTTP. The key is it is new construction. Greenfield development is where they are deploying ftth/ftth. Existing homes have FTTN. Yes, but AT&T gives their FTTH customers the same craptastic service their FTTN customers get in order to maintain a "consistent user experience". | |
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QLR
join:2009-06-23
Tallahassee, FL
·Embarq
| No FTTP here... Just Comcast and Embarq service. Comcast highest offering in my area is 16/1 and Embarq is 3/512k (I think)... my area is too rural for these carriers, I guess. I hope Embarq launches something similar.
The closest Uverse to me is Jacksonville and the Fios is in Tampa  | |
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA
·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
| i recently switched from the FIOS 20/20 plan to the FIOS 25/15 plan. my UL and DL speeds are consistently 26/26 and it is AWESOME. i have 10TB of external HDD and the BT is filling them up with lots of creamy goodness and music and music related video. all of them ROIOs so dont whine and moan about copyright infringement. bottom line is the FIOS intrawebs is teh awesome. buy it if it's available to you. | |
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5.3 Million North America Fiber Customers
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Where's my FIOS?