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Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
| Thank god.... ....now will all the fan boys (or wanna be fan boys I guess I should say) of FIOS stop spamming all the Cable forums with, "Oh ya? Well what will cable do about FIOS?"
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idtiscool
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| Re: Thank god.... I like that commercial where the black lady says "I'm taking my businness to a better phone company...." That's the carrot and stick approach I wanna see with dsl customers.. switch to cable modems.. I'd like to see them raise rates if the millions they're spending on deployment turn out to be the biggest boondoggle since LIPA introduced the SHOREHAM nuclear powerplant to Long Island, NY
The biggest waste of infrastructure in the history of the electric power industry... | |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| Re: Thank god.... said by idtiscool:
... biggest boondoggle since LIPA introduced the SHOREHAM nuclear powerplant to Long Island, NY
The biggest waste of infrastructure in the history of the electric power industry...
Actually it was LILCO, a private electric company, not LIPA that built Shoreham. Local opposition to nuclear power scuttled the completed and functional plant from ever being used. LIPA was formed to take over the LILCO grid and purchased it for $1 from LILCO and promptly decommissioned it. The ratepayers are forced to pay off the useless asset.
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mishaq
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join:2004-01-24
Richardson, TX
clubs: | What? I remember that when the site first came out it qualified almost anyone, but they fixed it, the next day I didnt qualify. And this site has been up for weeks, check the verizon forum posts from a while ago.
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ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA
| Verizon = Joke I fail to understand why anyone would pay heed to anything Verizon has to say about fiber-anything. They've failed, and failed, and continue to fail every single goal they've set for themselves and their customer base simply is too ignorant to leave them at a faster rate.
Verizon should adopt the following motto for their customers: "Too stupid to know better." | |
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| Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| Re: Verizon = Joke You whiners kill me. Yes, Verizon has dragged their feet over the years for deploying fiber but not that they are actually doing it, you guys still piss & moan. Not to mention that the anti-telco 'broadbandreports.com' loves to fuel the fire by stirring the pot with reports like this. | |
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| mishaq
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join:2004-01-24
Richardson, TX
clubs: | Uh, don't think so. Verizon is readily deploying fiber, at least in my area. I can see them every time I go outside 
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hedyd4u
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join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY
| Read the Article California, Texas, and Florida are deploying fiber. The old Bell Atlantic and Nynex are the areas in question and why should verizon spend a fortune on fiber for the lazy cheap resellers to use. Install your own fiber.
How would you like to run a business where you did all the work and someone else got the profits. Not a good idea if you want to run a successful company. Verizon is not a non profit corporation. They need to build where the profit is and if we want fiber in the northeast then the rules imposed need to be changed. | |
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| witmer1
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join:2002-09-23
Llewellyn, PA
| Re: Read the Article Pennsylvania is a prime example of this, where Verizon has been getting millions of taxpayer dollars for fiber infrastructure, but has not delivered on any of it. All PA tax payers are giving Verizon money for nothing. They can't even get DSL to reach many communities, yet alone FIOS, FTTH, FTTC, etc.....
The profit is there, they have been getting millions and sat on it or pocketed the money | |
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elbm
join:2000-08-03
Reisterstown, MD
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | Re: Read the Article said by witmer1  :
Pennsylvania is a prime example of this, where Verizon has been getting millions of taxpayer dollars for fiber infrastructure, but has not deliverd.
They have delivered just that- infrastructure. Anywhere in PA, anyone can buy a fiber fed ds3. That is what the tax monies were for. Not for fiber services to every home owner. | |
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fccdidthat
@optonline.net
| The fcc rules on linesharing did change.. no fiber sharing... I say great.. if the clec's wanna build out and cherry pick where VZ is not deploying, I say DO IT!! Pick a town and get started.. Eventually it's all gonna be owned by 3-4 companies anyway, but the more buildout with technology that will last 10-20 years (fiber loops) the better!
BTW, under the Republicans, if you made more than $200,000 this year you got a big tax cut. If you made less than $100,000 you got a big screwing, under VERIZON you got your a$$ reamed with the promise of fiber and big telephone bills... Switch away fools, VOIP and cablemodem NOW! This company own understands the bottom dollar (the ones they lose) and don't let them take ages to make the change on customer service lines to switch either! get pissed off and angry! | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Read the Article Oh, for CRYING OUT LOUD.
If you want to go into politics in a forum about fiber, that's fine, but at least have the guts to register before you do it.
Can we just this ONCE people, stay on topic. Lately, these forums are like a herd of cats when it comes to staying on topic. Everything degenerates into Candidate/party "A" VS Candidate/party "B".
It's really getting old.
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Voyager2K2
join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Read the Article Good point.
When Verizon stole 3.9Bil from PA we had a Democrat running the show.
Getting a Republican in power made no difference.
In fact it's made little difference on broadband period.
Is Ralph Nader the answer?
I doubt it. He'd kill BPL that's for sure.
Maybe we need a new political party "The Broadband Party"
They'd get my vote.
They probably would give Ivan a swift kick in the backside as well. | |
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| | hedyd4u
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join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY | I make less than 100,000 and my taxes went down under Bush. Go trolling elsewhere. | |
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| | VirtualLarry
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join:2003-08-01
| Re: Read the Article said by n2jtx :
Probably the only way this is going to work around here is for the fiber network to be a public resource like our highways. They would be owned by the government that would then sell access to anyone who wants it (just like we pay registration fees and gasoline taxes).
Just as it should be. Shared basic utilities are regulated gov't monopolies for a reason. "Privatization" and "profiteering" by these now-conglomerate companies are sickening to me. The service gets worse, the costs get higher, and overall, the captive customers just get reamed in the end. We in fact do need more regulation on these issues (more *fair* regulation), not less.
said by n2jtx :
Not a perfect solution but it beats being held hostage by the likes of Verizon who get billions and subsidies and give nothing in return, having a dozen cable runs on the utility poles or having the streets torn up for years while new lines are run.
Exactly! Don't even get me started on the "N-Star", owning both the electric *and* the gas lines around here now. | |
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asdfdfdf
@xtraport.net
| What a wonderfully vague article from Declan.
So Randolph May of the progress and freedom foundation says "While the FCC did agree to not apply the unbundling regulations to new fiber in a decision last summer under one section of the communications act, perhaps the new fiber nevertheless would have to be unbundled under a different section of the communications act,"
perhaps mighta coulda under a different section of the act.
... Well thanks for clearing that up.
hedyd4u, if you have such clarity on the matter, could you give us some details on exactly what section and wording they are referring to and how they argue that section threatens to force unbundling of new fiber? | |
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jimahrens
join:2002-05-30
Owego, NY | Verizon is going to do what? sure they will....
Pa. found out the hard way | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD |  See I Told You So!
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | Re: See I Told You So! Does anyone remenber ISDN, DSL and now FIOS. My response go with cable VOIP. Thats there best motivation.
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Go back to HS, just start a political discussion. It will be just like you were a kid! | |
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majorash
join:2004-06-21
Beaver Dam, WI | Horse Hockey Figured it was BS. But signed up anyway. Who knows myabe by the time I am 50 (23yrs to go) it might come this way.
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Cyber2lz
join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL
| VZ / GTE territory I am in Tampa, old GTE HQ. They are laying Fiber fast and furious in my neighborhood. I do not have V service; long ago switched to RR and VoIP. If this is just a ploy to get the regulators on their side, it is the most expensive waste of resource that I have ever seen!
If, indeed, V's FIOS is a reality then I will consider it.
But they ain't getting any of my money for any service until I taste it!! Know what I mean???? | |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| Do you want a Bell-only fiber future? We know what the Bell-only copper past and present looks like and it ain't pretty. Why in the hell would we want a Bell-only fiber future?
Until I see fiber installed in my neighborhood, or until I read about tens of millions of homes wired for fiber, I refuse to believe that FIOS is anything more than a ploy to influence/pressure the government to
a. relax regulations, and
b. keep the gov't from initiating a gov't backed program to deploy fiber for any company to use
By playing their cards right, they create the impression of fiber "progress" while milking their legacy copper for all it's worth. The bells aren't interested in progress or offering customers faster speeds, they are interested in making as much return on their investment as possible. That means keeping their near-monopoly status as long as they can; if they are the only ones laying fiber, they will be a monopoly. And monopolies don't price their services competitively because there is no competition. | |
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paulhaskew
Unoffical Dominos Spokesman
join:2002-01-10
Vancouver, WA
clubs: | fiber :) w00t some people do have fiber already... from what i hear is a dream... heh | |
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Methmn
join:2002-02-02
Brooklyn, NY
|  Why didn't they wait ...Marketing Sceme
Question #32: If I can not get Verizon DSL due to distance, is there a chance I will be able to get FIOS?
Fiber Optics has its distance limitations, but its far beyond what DSL can reach. Unlike DSL signals, fiber signals can be repeated and reach distances across the United States with repeaters and such. Unfortunately, that would be economically insufficient, and so they will be serving Fios out of your closest in-state Central Office (where you are being served right now). Since Fiber Optics isn't distance limiting, you will be able to get the full Fios service no matter how far you live from the Central Office. This is good news for everyone!
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