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Displaced Ohioan
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join:2002-07-30
Cheyenne, WY
clubs:  | sure... Just like the index service only happens when you are away from the PC.
I prefer to download my updates manually and at my choice.
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J D McDorce
Premium
join:2001-12-29
Westland, MI | Chicken or Egg? This is somewhat of an ironic twist, as it is largely believed that "broadband" subscribers, with "always on" connections, are the one's that need the updates the most. | |
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| Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| Re: Chicken or Egg? Heh, my experiences with fixing PCs has really impressed me with how much crap can happen to dial-up PCs. Exploit-using viruses like Blaster, fairly large-sized downloads of Spyware, etc...dial-up users can experience the same full-on gambit of nasties that plague broadband PCs.
Just because someone has a crappy internet connection doesn't mean that they have good PC habits.  | |
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totamak
And they call me nuts?
join:2000-10-24
Los Angeles, CA | Keep in mind that exploits (worms, trojans, etc.) are very compact. A typical malware program is about 4-12 K in size, that's only a few seconds on dial-up. | |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Time to Partner up. Its time to partner with MSN. | |
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ced06
join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA
| _ I would consider it a switching point. Considering SP2 is nearly 300MB, it would take me 30 hours to download it (assuming I average 2-3 kB/sec on my 28.8k).
But...once again, there are no broadband options in my town (that will reach me). Sigh. | |
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| hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: _ A switching point from Dial-up or from the OS? you are not required to download SP2 but you also will still have a lot of unprotected holes that were fixed that they found.
It took me about 30minutes on a 3.0 RR cable connection | |
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ryanthadude2
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join:2004-01-24
Walkerton, IN
| said by ced06  :
But...once again, there are no broadband options in my town (that will reach me). Sigh.
That's the fact of life for a lot of us. I ended up moving to a smaller town just to be able to get cable, and luckily it's been pretty bulletproof so far (knocks on wood).
Just find it frustrating that dialup users still have the majority of connections, but every thing's seems like it's going broadband. Don't ya just get the feeling that if you don't have broadband, you're in the dark ages? | |
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
clubs: | No, that's just the network install of SP2 for IT professionals. MS estimates that the express install only needs to download 80-90MB.
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ryanthadude2
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join:2004-01-24
Walkerton, IN
| Re: _ said by Rhobite :
No, that's just the network install of SP2 for IT professionals. MS estimates that the express install only needs to download 80-90MB.
Still, 80-90MB takes quite a while for people without broadband. There is quite a few people who wouldn't even give it a thought to download. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: _ Yah thats one good thing about that. But how many people on Dial-up can keep connections for long periods of time anyway.
Even without being connected for the full 12hours it still is a long time for a dial-up user. | |
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
clubs: | Re: _ If you disconnect it resumes where it left off. You could download it over the course of a few days or even weeks.
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Re: _ Yes but with Microsoft who says there won't be another one then.
even though they have said less updates. | |
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wolfox
Gentle Wolfox
join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL
| Re: _ Luckily, SP installs are not cumulative like they used to be. So say you skipped SP2, and SP3 manages to come along while you managed to safely dodge the bullet. Between the intelligent background file transfer service built into XP and even the *slowest* connection - you can still manage to keep up to date. Really, this is not an issue at all guys.  Just be sure not to smack the Windows Update icon out of your systray when it asks for attention.
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
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| Re: _ that maybe true but the updates released for the SPs are still coming out fast. Do not up date yours for a year and see how many you get to download and try downloading them on dial-up. Thats a lot of updates on Dial-up and will take a long time.
Even though SP2 uses idle bandwidth it is still going to slow down the dial-up users somewhat. anything you download on the internet slows down your Internet connection. Especially with dial-up. | |
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wolfox
Gentle Wolfox
join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL
| Re: _ Hence the term "Intelligent Network Background Service". It does not actively use the connection while *you* surf. It's a set and forget technology. It uses idle bandwidth only to gather and assemble the patches. If set up properly, unnoticeable to the user and only asks for intervention when the packs are assembled and ready to install.  Unless, you watch your modem. It will look like activity when there should be none. But once you click a URL, download e-mail, etc. it stops, only to resume when the machine is idle again.
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join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA
| Ok, sorry. 80-90MB still takes me 8-10 hours to download. It becomes a real pain in the ass when you have to leave your computer on overnight for days and days just to install a security update. In all truth, dialup truely is WORTHLESS.
And yes, I can compare dialup to living in the dark ages. Anything outside instant messenging and browsing slimmed down websites is not worth it (no streaming video/audio, no online games, no flash based games/webpages, no VOIP...it just sucks ass).
Thank god I'll be moving out in 3 years. | |
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i386
Unix God
Premium
join:2004-07-10
Tucson, AZ | Dial-Up Connections If you can't get broadband, why don't you upgrade to 115k maybe? www.pivot.net offers 115k I believe, and many companies (NetZero for example) offer 56k.
When searching for a dial-up ISP, AVOID AOL!!!! | |
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| CorruptError
E R R O R
join:2004-05-03
Mississauga, ON
clubs: | Re: Dial-Up Connections AVOID? If AOL was the only ISP provider in my area, i still wouldn't take them on, because it would be a non-existent connection. AOL is just UNBEARABLE.
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| scareg
join:2003-10-27
Walla Walla, WA | what is 115k? | |
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join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA | Re: Dial-Up Connections I think he is referring to shotgunned dialup modems, which is tenfold worse then dialup (imagine dialup...but then make it twice as unstable). | |
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zoom314
Superman
Premium
join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| said by LoneGreyWolf :
Someone mentioned above that the internet is moving steadily away from Dial-up and moving towards broadband... well that's a bit optimistic I think. Dial-up isn't going anywhere any time soon because there are those of us that still can't get broadband and won't see broadband for a very very long time.
And according to this website(broadband reports I think), Broadband users out number Dialup users now, So One day dialup phone numbers will start drying up in broadband heavy areas due to It being more expensive for the ISP to maintain.
Now as to security those on Dialup would like DHCP as It acts ip-wise like dialup, As the ip is not set or static for a long time, Mine will expire in 7 days(My PCs are on 24/7 no sweat), But being on DSL I have a router(Hardware Firewall) for My two computers and XP Pro SP2's firewall and I have no problems, I don't go to porn sites, I don't open attachments, I run an anti virus program that auto updates and checks My 2 PCs everyday and I keep My anti adware up to date(I use Adaware SE and AVG 6.0, Both are Free). I also use Firefox instead of IE 6.0x as My default browser. | |
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Premium
join:2004-02-22
Okemos, MI
| Re: Dial-Up Connections said by zoom314 :
I don't go to porn sites...
yikes:( .....
FYI: it's not just pron sites that get owned by crackers and/or load spyware, they just have a bad rep.
lyrics sites, crack sites, sevral ED2K link sites, and even some forums load spy/ad-ware, and ANY site can get pwned and be made to load malware.
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join:2004-08-21
Brazil | I've heard of something called Wi-Fi and antennae....now with a little bit of investiment and you have broadband. | |
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LoneGreyWolf
Premium
join:2002-09-09
Bath, NY
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| Re: Dial-Up Connections WiFi isn't in my area and even if it was I don't think I would still be able to get it. The nearest big town is Bath, Bath is 9 miles from my house. Those 9 miles are very hilly and mountainous. The investment wouldn't be little, it would be huge. Besides I am not the putting up a pole type of person. | |
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jsmarkbrown
Premium
join:2002-12-16
Baltimore, MD
| I don't see it as a problem I believe microsoft offered (or still offers) a cd version of sp2 to whomever wants it for free. In addition, who says you have to autoupdate and bits on at all times? In the absence of any serious unforseen security issues, this will be the largest download you will ever have to get from microsoft. After sp2, turn them off, and just re-enable them when you want to check for updates. It's funny, I remember when most people had dialup and no one ever complained about running napster for a month to get a large file. | |
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beeman65
join:2001-07-23
Mckeesport, PA | CD Dial-up users should just order the free CD.
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