 neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA
 ·Broadvox Direct
2 edits | Hmm... If Powell ran a business how would he do? Wibble wabble CEO.
Wouldn't be best to get the industry involved in adapting the best rules so that everyone is happy. We got Covad MCI as the main CLEC with other regionals like CavTel. I think the way they did it with HDTV could be done again maybe or maybe not. If I was in Powell's shoes I would try to get the top USA companies to work together on the next generation broadband to be the best in the world and stop worrying over who is going to lease who's lines and for how much. Geez. | |
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Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| Re: Hmm... Hello...... Mcfly! Umm, you are running a business. Not this co-op you dream of. So yeah, who runs the lines and who owns and who leases it rather critical.
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| | neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA
·Broadvox Direct
| Re: Hmm... It's to bad that the bigger picture is not being looked at. These lease issues are important but for who really? Either way the consumer won't see a saving's because whatever savings will end up being swallowed by either the CLEC or the ILEC. For example, some Covad partner ISP's started offering dry loop ADSL and is it cheaper to the consumer noooooo. | |
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| | | mishaq
Premium
join:2004-01-24
Richardson, TX
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| Re: Hmm... Yeah it isnt cheaper because you still have to pay some sort of fee in order to have the line, that why you might as well have a VERY basic phone line instead, like a life line phone line or just the most stripped down one you can get, shouldnt be more than 10-15 a month.
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| | | | krobar
Is this thing on?
join:2002-09-15
Columbus, OH | Re: Hmm... yeah with sbc it's almost $20 a month for the very basic service after taxes and fees. That's what I'm paying for it at least here in Ohio.
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Power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat. | |
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join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | Re: Hmm... The cheapest Verizon is Budget service and it's about $20 or little less with all the taxes and fees. This is in Southeast PA. | |
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join:2004-07-29 | If Powell ran a business it would be one his daddy got for him.  | |
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wwdubbia
join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY
| said by neftv  :
I would try to get the top USA companies to work together on the next generation broadband to be the best in the world and stop worrying over who is going to lease who's lines and for how much. Geez.
That's what started the whole mess.... Your method would only give clout to those with the most $$$, the very companies that want to squash competition. Do you really think that they're going to do all the R&D and then willingly let everyone benefit from it?
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| | neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | Re: Hmm... That's where the FCC steps in and tells the companies to work together on the best aspects of the technology each company comes to the table with and make broadband like it's never been thought of before. The same concept was done with HDTV. | |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | No share, no ILEC If they end linesharing, then i will move all my lines to VOIP, right now i have 1, and Verizon will get nada.
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Go back to HS, just start a political discussion. It will be just like you were a kid! | |
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ib50MbSoon
Formerly TwoKDialup
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
| Just a thought... This is probably an oversimplification but decades ago the Bells were essentially guaranteed profits (by the government) in exchange for building out universal voice service.
Maybe it's time for our government to grant the same sweetheart deal to the cable companies and CLECs for deploying new data networks?
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wwdubbia
join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY
| Re: Just a thought... This isn't necessarily about data lines. The FCC is predominantly talking about Unbundled Network Elements that CLEC's lease at a wholesale cost for both voice and data. They then can mark up these services to compete with the bells (sometimes). Any dialtone provider today that relies entirely on Unbundled Network Elements (UNE or UNE-P) will be unable to survive if these rules are eliminated. Some companies are negotiating with Verizon outside of these rules to continue to stay in business. Most, however, will be forced to go out of business.
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| | Dirtyping
join:2001-10-30
West Haverstraw, NY
2 edits | Re: Just a thought... "There is no need to fear that consumers will be left with nothing to choose from as [line sharing] begins to wither," Powell said. "Consumers are using wireless telephones today - many now use their mobile as their primary phone. Cable companies are offering competitive telephone service to residential consumers."
Doesn't the line sharing ruling also effect high speed data competition like Covad? Funny how he always seems to leave that out. | |
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mamoon
@fdn.com
| Non compete by choice Bell chooses not to compete with others. They choose not to divest themselves further and compete on a level playing field with other sales companies(that is what CLECS are).
While they do provide the military infrastructure also, they could back out 1 step but won't. In Ga it has to do with being able to overcharge customers, collect the money and keep it, just like other utilities do. If they give it back, it is only in "credits", not real money they were paid with. That is the real story here. Must be nice to overcharge and keep politicians in office to protect themselves. A bill over payer with no recourse. | |
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dslsynch
join:2003-05-22
| ilec's don't usually lose money don't forget that ilecs make 20% profit on every line they lease/share with a clec. vz's maintenance costs on a clec leased line are only 4/5ths what vz charges the clec to lease the line.
that's if you believe they actually fix / repair lines anymore. more likely they do pair swaps. if you're in an area that has limited, or no spares, then vz has to repair the existing pairs.
like any of this matters... hopefully you'll see fiber to the prem soon. vz is throwing 100 extra splice service techs to dracut and woburn mass for the next 3 or 4 months.
they are going to install fiber to the prem in those communities. don't believe me... call for yourself and listen to the update (802) 878-6432. | |
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| johnh123
join:2002-11-19
Chicago, IL
| Re: ilec's don't usually lose money This is all arguing about the past, as Powell realizes. UNE-P is stupid, and has always been stupid. Its about time someone finally stands up and says so.
The genie is out of the bottle with broadband, voip, and wireless. None of this other stuff matters. | |
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FCC Extends Line Sharing