HDTV Via DSLHow long before telcos widen the pipes? ( old news - 06:34PM Thursday Aug 19 2004) tags: dsl · VideoCED Magazine offers an interesting read about the viability of offering high definition television programming via DSL. Is it possible? Yes, suggests author Jeff Baumgartner, if the telcos stop dragging their feet and embrace ADSL2+, VDSL, VDSL2, or fiber. The article notes that Bell Canada, Manitoba Telephone and Qwest Communications are currently tinkering with VDSL, while (as we noted this morning) SBC is once again trialing ADSL2+. The article also touches on the quest for more bandwidth-efficient codecs, though even then an HD stream would still gobble up at least 9Mbps. Telco interest in HDTV via DSL will directly correlate to user adoption of HDTV and the drop in set prices.
Related:- U-Verse Gets Minor Upgrades
- U-Verse Install Time Streamlined
- 8.2 Million IPTV Customers Globally
- Windstream Bundles DSL, TiVO
- U-Verse Hits Northeastern Illinois
- User Impressions Of AT&T's New 18Mbps U-Verse Tier
- Frontier: For Now, Nothing Changes
- What Network Neutrality Is REALLY About
|
 
XBL2009
------
join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL
1 edit | Hmmm I have no interest in HDTV via DSL, I want them to reserve all that bandwidth for the Internet.
We have Satellite, Cable or Air for HDTV don't need it beaming with DSL. | |
|  | 
ddog
@rr.com | Re: Hmmm I'll take that 9mbps instead thank you very much mister mayor. | |
| | | | | | | | | Freezone
join:2000-09-29
Southfield, MI | Re: Hmmm Cable co and tel co are going to be at war with power co taking potshots. I do notbelieve either will die. They will both howeverbe forced to adapt. | |
| | | 
mdlthomas
join:2000-04-24
Clarksville, TN
| I agree with you 100%. But the bells are planning to change to fiber in the next decade or so and Verizon is already set to. Once fiber is in it will be an all out war between telcos and cable/satellite companies, eventually one will cancel out I think.
- It's probably going to be some mega merger...VerizonCast Viacom Inc.
The big will get so big, they will lose all touch of reality | |
| 
jap
Premium
join:2003-08-10
038xx
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Yuck, TV Agree with Gawdzilla: I got dozens better uses for any amount of bandwidth than crap TV content. It's what will likely drive big pipes for less cost, though I'm worried that the TV loads will be metered differently and us non-TV users will end up subsidizing boobtube traffic. | |
| | 
IGotThePower
Samsung Sucks
Premium
join:2003-06-07
Japan Inc. | Re: Yuck, TV I agree too. Useless when everybody can get DirecTV or Dish. Give the users what they want, jerks! | |
| | | 
Tha ReAlEsT
The King Is Back, Where My Crown At?
Premium
join:2002-09-28
the past
| Re: Yuck, TV I dont know about adsl2(its probably to small), but with fiber i want the telcos to deploy Tv service. It will be perfect competition for the Cable co's, and they first true competition. That should equals better deals on both ends for the customer.
--
I basically know now we get racially profiled, Cuffed up and hosed down, pimped up and hoe down, Plus i got a whole city to hold down from bottom so the top is the only place to go now | |
| 
dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| Probably like cable My cable has HDTV comming across it now, but my HSI is still at 3000k/256k. That 9mpbs won't be accessable(probably)by your/my computer...different frequencies. 
--
Nuke 'em all, let God sort 'em out. | |
| 
72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
1 edit | Maybe Jeff should anti up the cash Nevermind the capital investment would be huge with unknown returns. Considering satellite and cable are already in HDTV and that HDTV has not reached much of a market satuartion it would be tough for a company to spend the money to make it happen. Jeff doesn't have to answer to stockholders should the venture fail and the company lose their ass on the deal. Then it gets even better:
"Despite a flurry of ADSL2+ demos at last month’s Supercomm show, Starr acknowledges that the technology is in its early stages, and that the vendors still need to iron out some interoperability issues."
Combine that with:
"An upgrade to ADSL2+ is a no-brainer, especially for telcos that don’t have the money to spend on fiber-to-the-premises (FTTP) deployments, says Michael Harris, president of Kinetic Strategies Inc., a broadband research firm."
Ummmm, does the word conflict come to mind? ADSL2 is not ready for mainstream yet go ahead deploy it!
Seriously, so a company must 1) Spend a fortune setting up a product where you get locked into one companies equipment because it doesn't talk well with others. 2) Sell HDTV which many homes do not have nor are in the market for with HDTV's being 100+ more then a regular TV and 3) Do all this with an expection to have some kinds of ROI? Wow, thats a lot for any CFO to swallow.
And its even harder with this quote:
"“Adoption of HD in the market is about four to five percent,” Motorola’s Wagoner says. The telcos “are pleased about [the prospects] of marketing HD services, but there’s no high expectation that it would lead to tens and tens and tens of thousands of subscribers.”"
Yeah! Lets spend tons of money to sell to a 5% of the population!!! 
--
some people believe in astrology others believe in technology some people believe in all those -ologies but i believe in swordfish | |
|
Digital_Boy
@sbc.com
| Turnabout.... Why not? If the cable companies can offer internet access, traditionally a service supplied by a telco, why can't the telco's offer programming content?
Brings up an interesting question for the cable companies. What kind of plant and field upgrades will they need to make to handle increasing speed and HD programming when HD is ubiquitous?
SBC is trialing FTTP already, and has about 500 users actually getting internet via fiber.
I think it'll be an opposite situation of what was mentioned, the TV subscribers will make FTTP an economically viable option for the telco's, and with FTTP, there's more than enough room to grow. | |
| | 
Count Hogula3
John Forged Kerry
Premium
join:2004-07-10
Corona, CA | Re: Turnabout.... 500 out of 250,000,000. Telcos better get busy. | |
| | | | compuwizz
join:2001-03-05
Blacksburg, VA
| Frontier Frontier is putting in Calix DSLAMs in southern WV. From what I understand they just need a card swap to allow for ADSL2+. Their Calix C7 seems to be pretty good. The Sync up rates using Rate Adaptive are much better with it than with an Alcatel 1000 on the same loops. Time will tell how good these boxes are though. I assume they are less expensive than Alcatel's latest since Frontier seems to be a tight spending company. | |
| 
tadmaz
join:2002-05-30
Mount Prospect, IL | well my standard antenna over the air picks up 10 hefty non-HDTV stations and that's all I need. | |
| ced06
join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA | Broadband first Why don't ISPs stop spending money on HDTV over DSL and concentrate on building RTs and servicing people that CAN'T get DSL. | |
| 
d_man60112
join:2004-06-09
Cortland, IL
| Everyone missing the point.... Great points but I think that there is a long term goal. Yes, maybe this would be great for video on demand, and no, many people do not want to share the bandwidth. BUT...this is one of many new technologies being rolled out. If everyone thought this way, we wouldn't have planes, phones, internet, etc... Think of it this way. 10-15 years, metropolitan areas will have fiber. It WILL be open to anyone to provide services. The technology and capabilities of delivering TV, Internet, Voice, & other stuff not yet thought of will need to be essential for any company to compete. This is their test beds.
Farmer brown will not have access to fiber but VDSL 4+ will be able to handle all these services thanks, in part, to all this early testing and development. | |
| | ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA
| Re: Everyone missing the point.... I think any '10 years from now' technology presented to the telco neighborhoods for television-style content is going to be a lot more easily driven via wireless than in the ground. Not every RBOC (Verizon, Bellsouth) has embraced mass-deployment of FTTH, and expecting to squeeze 3X mor bandwidth out of copper on dated infrastrucre seems, to me, more like a white elephant.
Besides, how much content do the plan on pushing when OTA HDTV is 19.1Mbps under MPEG2 (probably about 8-9 Mbps using VC9)? This sounds more like McDonalds selling food commonly found at Taco Bell. | |
| B777300
join:2002-01-02 | I agree Give me bandwidth i dont need HDTV god damnit | |
| | 
lettcco
join:2003-12-04
Valencia, CA
| Think before you type if people had your mentality back in the days, we could all still be listening to AM radio right now. "why give up all that airwave for those color TV channels? Black and white TV were just fine." "what a waste of bandwidth to boardcast images! they could have put up tons more radio stations than a few lousy TV channels!" | |
| | | B777300
join:2002-01-02
| Re: Think before you type said by lettcco  :
if people had your mentality back in the days, we could all still be listening to AM radio right now. "why give up all that airwave for those color TV channels? Black and white TV were just fine." "what a waste of bandwidth to boardcast images! they could have put up tons more radio stations than a few lousy TV channels!"
Thats something much different.
--
Can you say fiber optics? | |
| 
Dark Shoes
Premium
join:2002-06-27
Montreal, QC
| Bell Canada It's been available here in Canada for awhile now, basically the Toronto area, and people seem to enjoy it. Bell Canada will be offering it in my city sometime at the end of this year or 2005 so I'll probably get it then since I don't want to get a dish. And it's not that expensive either so it seems like a good deal for what you get.
ExpressVu over VDSL
»expressvu.logient.com/product?expressVu=8
Here's a promo video (QuickTime): »expressvu.logient.com/mov/DBT-SYM_042804.mov
--
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. - Issac Asimov | |
| 
plk
bo may sleep in loft
Premium
join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA
| a done deal It's a done deal if you ask me.
The Bells have to deploy fiber at least to the neighborhood. I can't see them being in business in 5 years if they can't offer video.
I think they will continue to see the erosion of the home phone and at a faster rate then they are currently seeing.ie more and more people will go to cellular only. Especially the young. Thus, leaving mostly older folks as their customer base....a short term solution.
Personally, I don't see long distance phone charges lasting more than another 5 years. This will be another revenue stream on the decline for the Bells.
Throw in more bandwidth soon up for auction via digital TV migration, wi-max and other wireless players. ie I look for the cellular industry to deploy and jump in the HS internet game......
The picture just looks pretty grim for the Bells unless they can bundle HDTV in the mix.
Right now, I see the cables ahead of the game but not to far out of reach of the Bells. In my opinion, if they don't deploy fiber now (the Bells) and wait for more competitors to jump in the mix, it might be to late.
what I mean by this is, if they keep dragging their feet and wait for the cellular industry to get in the game, wi-max and other wireless providers to deploy et al...... by this time the cables will also see a bigger threat and start their own fiber or high bandwidth deployment.
Anyway you look at it, I think the Bells need 100mbps to the home pretty damn quick. The early bird gets the worm and thus far I still see the Bells with the lets all share the worm mentality. If they keep waiting they will still have to deploy fiber and do so in a much more aggressive environment than they have now.
The bandwidth wars are just heating up... soon someone will throw gas in the fire!
--
Thermaltake 2000a/Asus P4C-e/p4 2.8/ocz3500 2x512/WD.2x200g/ATI 9600/APC sua 1500/Logitech z-680/ Samsung 213t LCD | |
| | JPCass
join:2001-01-23
Denver, CO | Re: a done deal And how about mixes of services, at least as an intermediate step?
I could see using cable for basic HDTV, but then having ADSL2 from my telco for internet and Video On Demand HDTV movies. | |
| JPCass
join:2001-01-23
Denver, CO
| Don't forget the example of Rural Electrification As far as getting high-end services to the "boonies", keep in mind that it took the involvement of the federal government to make electricity widely available outside of urban areas, and several decades late. Then as now, private utilities thought the cost of running infrastructure into widely scattered low-density areas was too high to be justifiable. It may take the emergence of a painfully obvious "digital divide" between urban and rural areas, and then some slow path of implementation spurred by federal involvement, before further out areas get any real "broadband". | |
| hedyd4u
Premium
join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY
| HDTV by the telcos is good for competition When the telcos start providing fiber networks to a large enough base they will be able to force cable companies to actually compete for customers. The best part of this is competition will force better prices and services. The bad part is it will be years before telcos have enough fiber run to challenge the cable companies, and most cable companies have already run fiber on the poles. I worked for Newchannells cable from 1989-1993 and they had fiber on the poll by 1993. The sold their system to Time Warner | |
|
rhahn
@pacbell.n
| Why Not a 100Mbps DSL with HDTV Japan is deploying 100 Mbps VDSL2? as fast as they can and Korea is deploying 40-100Mbps VDSL services with video, voice and data. French and even Thailand is on VDSL 20-40 Mbps.
What do they do with this bandwidth? Most of them are using only 2-12Mbps now for data and MPEG2 services at very reasonable $30 per month price range with very low outages and congestions. I would like that here in Silicon Valley. And their Internet content and business services are just beginning with these new services. I can probably use 5Mbps of data, two HDTV video streams, up to 4 VoIP simultaneously for free international calls, and maybe even home based side business.
This isn't just consumer issues. Due to our telecommunication policies we are falling behind in our technology leadership and technology sales opportunities globally. Currently Korea is supplying most of Japanese VDSL DSLAMs and Chinese DSL manufacturing isn't too far off. In next few years when we decide that we do need higher speed broadband, we won't be just importing DSL boxes made in China, we may well be paying for their engineering salaries and intellectual licensing to Korea and China.
This is not a funny scenario for us in U.S., we need to get our broadband policies straight and invest in our future.
Sorry for long comment. To summarize, maybe with HDTV on DSL and some forward looking governmental policies, we can hope to see more competition in broadband services and better service at less cost.
rhahn | |
| | bullyvision
join:2004-09-12
Grand Rapids, MI
| Re: Why Not a 100Mbps DSL with HDTV Who cares if they are going to try and put RF on phone, we will be putting Phone on our cable, and it will be no problem to us. We have plenty of bandwidth, and this HDTV stuff is only going to help our stronghold because it takes up less bandwidth per channle. Say goodbye to 6Mhz and hello to 2 per 6Mhz, or 8-10 on standard digital. Plus, soon we will have the ability to see our whole system on a computer, to service our amps, power supplies, etc... Not to mention the fact that I work in a 550Mhz system and we have Internet+HDTV+Digital Line-up+Analog all inside that small bandwidth. HSI Bandwidth is limitted just because we have to make money, if you had a full cable back-bone it would blow your mind. And what are you going to do with a 100mbps straight bandwidth anyways besides run your own server? Don't kid yourself cable internet works wonders, but I bet you're thinking right now, yeah if it wouldn't go offline all the time... Just use proper connecters at the end of the cables and it will stay on, return travels on the center conductor contact, beneath the low-band, or in other words if your cable modem is losing block sync frequently call your cable company pay the 2.99 for wire maintanance and the cable company has to do anything they can for you, even service your phone lines in some systems... | |
| | | |
|
|
·
·
·