 elitedreamr
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join:2003-06-24
Acworth, GA | great... Just what we need....spam in the form of a voice recording...I wonder if VOIP phones are able to be on the Do not call list. | |
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join:2004-06-25
Island Lake, IL | Re: great... well i tell you what,if that is going to happen i will ditch my voip and go back to old fashion phone,they(vonage) better be prepared otherwise they will loose bussines... | |
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Cal123AS
@comcast.net | I placed My vonage on the do not call list | |
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Ask VOIP companies to black list the IPs Of Spammers. Find anyone that is transmitting huge amounts of data across a network or scanning for phone IPs and shut them down. The activity just by its nature would make it stand out from a standard phone call on a VOIP network, of course that is alot of time and money for companies to invest. I doubt anythign will happen unless this becomes a major issue like email spam.
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Count Hogula3
John Forged Kerry
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join:2004-07-10
Corona, CA
1 edit | How can they find it? If the ATA is behind a router? If the ATA responds to anything, what stops a VoIP company from having their ATA only respond to calls originating from the VoIP companies IP? | |
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| kincobra1
join:2003-07-20
Sacramento, CA | Re: How can they find it? lol crazy companies...does spam even work...geesh...lets bug 100000000000 people and maybe 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001 people will buy | |
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| | krobar
Is this thing on?
join:2002-09-15
Columbus, OH
| Re: How can they find it? if you really think it doesn't work why do you think they keep doing it? Unfortunately lots of people every day do click on the links and buy the products. 
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join:2002-05-02
Brooklyn, NY | Re: How can they find it? And those are the people that needs to be shot.
or.
Have their Internet Surfing / Emailing privelage taken away.
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Mele20
Premium
join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
| Ugh Spam over the phone would be a total turn off for me. I am on the "do not call list" and if there was any chance I would get spam with VoIP then I would not consider getting this service although my ISP will be launching it in November. I also wonder can you get an unlisted number like I have with my land line?
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paulhaskew
Unoffical Dominos Spokesman
join:2002-01-10
Vancouver, WA
clubs: | hmm sounds like a lot 'o fun... Do I hear the VOIP laws coming soon... | |
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| rmdir
join:2003-03-13
Chicago, IL | Re: hmm Our leaders will pass the Can VOIP Spam law, then it will all end, right? | |
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IronChefMoto
Premium
join:2001-02-08
Alpharetta, GA
| Wait a minute -- part of monitoring toolset? Um -- has anyone thought to read about Qovia products? They produce VoIP management tools/services. And judging by this June 28, 2004 press release, they want to try and STOP VoIP spam with their products:
»www.qovia.com/company/news/06.28···inal.htm
Just a thought. I wonder if this tool/technology they talk about in the article is, in fact, a stress test tool for detecting/countering VoIP spam.
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underscore
join:2004-04-20
Fairfax, VA | hmm I doubt it would be as efficient as mail spam. VoIP is about a 100kbit stream constantly, to send out 1000 calls at once would surely take a 100mbit connection to keep it going smoothly. It's possible, but costly. | |
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IGGY
No Guru Just Here To Help
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL
| Re: hmm said by underscore  :
I doubt it would be as efficient as mail spam. VoIP is about a 100kbit stream constantly, to send out 1000 calls at once would surely take a 100mbit connection to keep it going smoothly. It's possible, but costly.
Well I can tell you from experience that FAX SPAM on VOIP - even for those of us without a FAX attached to the line or in use. Is alive and well. And even after blocking multiple numbers and taking the "stupid" step of calling there take you off the list number. The idiots are still pounding away. Many claim you can still make a report to the FCC on this. But as I read it. Since no paper or ink resources are used. The law governing this wouldn't be valid.
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hedyd4u
Premium
join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY
1 edit | Wait let the FCC save voip Recipe to get people to fall for anything.
First make a mountain out of a molehill.
Second bring in a Savior.
Third all the people believe.
Fourth you are trapped and left wondering what happened.
run to the hills flee for your lives
the sky is falling
... Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror,
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bbrlogue
Learning New Things Daily
Premium
join:2003-12-07
Alexandria, VA
 ·VOIPo
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| Why doesn't DNC apply? Not that easy. First they have to find the IP. Then they have to send SIP packets to the adapter, which will only be packets simulating a call, but it won't go directly to your VM, so the TA will ring the phone first. I don't see how DNC does not apply here.
Unless you go through the backdoor of the VoIP's provider VM, you can't just 'leave' a voice message. Whatever the Qovia example uses, it probably doesn't use a real-world environment. Sure, you can guess numbers once you get on the VM's access numbers, but then again, that would be where DNC applies.
On the network, the bots or trojans that find the IP can be easily blocked, once a pattern emerges from the bot source. | |
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cbs228
Geeks Of The World, Unite
join:2000-09-04
Saint Louis, MO
|  Overstated Threat
To send a voice-spam a person needs maybe 32 kbps - 64 kbps of bandwidth, depending on quality, and they must sustain that for at least 30 seconds (or however long the message is). Although there is plenty of bandwidth available for stealing courtesy of viruses, you can still reach far fewer people in any given time frame, with a given amount of bandwidth, with VoIP spam than you can with SMTP spam— and spam is all about bulk. There just aren't that many people who will respond to any given spam message, and the only reason that it works at all is that you can send lots of messages really quickly. Barring any drastic changes in response rates, VoIP spam will be far less effective— and thus far less lucrative for evildoers— than its email counterpart.
VoIP spam: I'll believe it when I see it.
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gatzdon
join:2002-10-25
Lake Zurich, IL
| This is just Hype I believe the only people vulnerable to this are ones who don't use a SIP server. (Meaning they actually dial IP addresses to call another VOIP Phone). Most VOIP Services use a SIP server that requires authentication. That said, most people using VOIP services should have their Adapter behind a NAT router and not DMZ their router to their adapter.
This a lesson learned on how to configure your setup, not a warning that you will be barraged with telemarketing spam. | |
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JPCass
join:2001-01-23
Denver, CO
| What are we going to do?
It seems to me that to keep both spam and telemarketing in check, is going to require legislation - and enforcement - that holds the advertisers responsible, and not just the lackeys who contract to do the spamming or calling. Almost all the advertisers who are ultimately responsible for these solicitations are US-based, and the minority that are offshore could be dealt with by enforcement mechanisms to intercept electronic payments flowing from the US to overseas. Otherwise, I don't know how we end up with anything other than an endless technology arms race. | |
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It's only a matter of time......