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Bending Google to your marketing will
(old news - 12:37PM Tuesday Aug 03 2004)
The tactic of "spam piggybacking", or flooding a blog's comments section with links to boost Google ranking, is only the latest attempt by marketers to manipulate search technology for profit. Interestingly enough however, many people who should know better are responsible for perpetuating the problem.

First, a spammer finds a blog owner who doesn't quickly delete spam comments, and posts URL's to the products and services the spammer wants to pitch. Said spammer then spams the original blog URL in other blog comment sections, boosting the Google ranking of all pages involved. By boosting the rank of the non-spam blog, marketers also dodge spam comment blacklists, and at the end of the day gain exposure.

At the heart of the rank manipulation is Google's Pagerank technology, which gives Bloggers a higher ranking, something that has long been a hot-topic of debate even before marketers began to abuse it. Yahoo developer Jeremy Zawodny offered an excellent description of the technology's shortcomings last summer, lamenting that "PageRank stopped working really well when people began to understand how PageRank worked".

And the problem has only gotten worse since Zawodny's comments last year. As Wired News is exploring this week, Porn outfits are not only flooding blog comment sections with spam, they are creating bogus blogs themselves. With Google's acquisition of Blogger.com, that means Google is suffering from a double whammy, a Google owned company being used to manipulate Google rankings.

And lest you think only absentee or mundane ("today I purchased a new shampoo" or "Brad is dreamy") bloggers are allowing the comment conundrum to continue, security analyst Steve Friedl did an investigation in our forums and came to some interesting conclusions. Friedl statistically broke down which blogs were most responsible for lending the spammers a hand.

Amazingly enough, The Center for Internet and Society at Stanford University is one of the worst offenders. Of the weblogs hosted on their server, 99.25% of the more than 9000 comments are spam. "It just boggles my mind that a group so keyed into Internet and Society could let this go on," suggests Friedl. "Does "Internet and Society" only matter if you're being quoted somewhere important?"

Since Steve illuminated the issue, all of the bloggers at CIS have suspended comments. According to Steven Bechtold, the move was done until the bloggers can update their Moveable Type installations "which will hopefully provide a long-term solution to this problem."

Blog owners wondering what they can do to minimize blogger spam would be well served by checking out these tips by programmer Kasia Trapszo. While blogger diligence is required to keep the practice from becoming an epidemic, ultimately Google needs to lobotomize and rebuild their PageRank system to prevent abuse.

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August 3rd, @12:31PM

I had this problem

One of the best things about blogs are the abilty to edit, create, and modify the content on the fly.

The worst things can be abuse sometimes. I was having a huge issue with spam postings. And being the person I was I just couldn't leave them there, so I was spending hours deleting crap using MT's clunky interface and rebuilding.

So I started banning IP's every time. Worked for a while but then they started coming in from everywhere (always over seas). Damn bastards had gotten more clever and were using hijacked computers...and of course MT doesn't allow for blocking /24's. Even closing the post's after they were spammed didn't stop the flow.

I looked into using the spam black list, and all the other stuff. But eventually I came across what I found to be an easier solution (at least to stop those times when suddenly you have 100 emails notifying you of a post) than getting the black list to work.

Rename the "mt-comments.cgi" file. Update your templates and rebuilt. The directions are here and it worked like a charm....

..at least until they find another way to nail blog's...the only difference is I won't leave their crap in mine.

ropeguru
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Just goes to prove...

that spammers are nothing more than a bunch of money hungry thieves that are willing to use any means possible to make money.

They are even willing to use someone's personal blog's to advertise their products. I think if one sees this in their blog they should be able to charge the company whos product is advertised an exorbant rate for having it there. Then maybe some of these companies will think twice about hiring spammers to promote their products.

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Re: Just goes to prove...

Excellent idea, ropeguru. These losers only understand one thing: money - So until there's a monetary feedback loop they'll continue to find ways to abuse the openess of the internet by exporting their costs onto other businesses (in this case Google) and individuals (the hijacked machines blackmarket, b'logs, mail servers).

It's time to stop focusing on the spam-contractors and go straight to those who hire them.

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Re: Just goes to prove...

said by jap See Profile:


It's time to stop focusing on the spam-contractors and go straight to those who hire them.

Good and Bad as much as i would like that to happen there is to much in the way of sabotaging company's.ie i don't like my competitor so i"ll have some scumbag spammer spam millions of people with there products to make him look bad.There is one way to get this teach people about spam and really go after the spammers themselves.
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August 3rd, @02:17PM

Re: Just goes to prove...

said by Jigsaw See Profile:
There is one way to get this teach people about spam and really go after the spammers themselves.
I disagree. The spammers operate in other countries where we can't "go after" them but the money is from the good ol' USA. Reduce demand is the only way to remove unpleasantries from a free market system - and in this case that means making it illegal to hire someone to represent your company/product in an invasive fashion and give end-users civil recourse to the person who paid for the spam. Spammers are merely doing the bidding of their bosses.

You advocate a "war on drugs" type enforcement where we go after the growers & couriers. It never, never works because where there is demand the marketplace *will* provide.

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August 3rd, @01:29PM

Money won't stop their actions...if anything it would create even more business while keeping the problem:

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Re: Just goes to prove...

said by DaSneaky1D See Profile:
Money won't stop their actions...if anything it would create even more business while keeping the problem
I think you missed the concept of a feedback loop: I meant negative feedback, of course, in the form of cost liabilities to the companies that use spammers.

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Repeat with me: The Problem Is Not The Spammers

It is the people who buy products from spammers that are to blame. I'm not talking about the l33t BBR readers, but l33t BBR readers' grandfathers who buy Viagra from spammers at $1 a bottle, or fall for make $$$ quick schemes.

If there's demmand for spam products, guess what, there will be spammers.

Maybe if Congress imposed a 200% "Spam tariff" the problem would be solved.

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Re: Repeat with me: The Problem Is Not The Spammer

This has nothing to do with that.. unlike email spam, this is not targeted to sell a product, the purpose is increasing google ranking.
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Re: Repeat with me: The Problem Is Not The Spammer

Why don't you put terms of service on your comments that allow you to charge spammers $500 for each on?

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Re: Repeat with me: The Problem Is Not The Spammer

said by Steve See Profile:
Why don't you put terms of service on your comments that allow you to charge spammers $500 for each on?

I think nil See Profile tracking them down would be deterrent enough..

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Sounds like Google Bombing for profit...

Great...

This could spell the end of Google, and the need for another search algorithm. Anybody know how microsoft's contender search engine works?
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Re: Repeat with me: The Problem Is Not The Spammer


No, but it isn't as good as Google's system, and appears to be easier to game -- just try searching for the Hilton Hotel in Paris.

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Any links?

Anyone got a link to such a blog that has ads in replies?

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Re: Any links?

»www.calpundit.com/mt/mt-comments···y_id=536

just search google for any of the usual spam keywords..
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August 3rd, @09:00PM

Re: Any links?

i wouldnt be using Hormels trademark "SPAM" picture for this thread (unless you recieved permission).
if they see it, they may threaten to sue.
just a suggestion.
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August 4th, @01:10AM

book em, danno!

I think the law should state that whenever an entity becomes subject to such an attack then the market it operates in automatically comes into gov scrutiny in an organised effort to identify the offender. I am willing to pay taxes for that. If identified, the culprit should be charged with a felony, because the offense is a form of assault imo. Why the hell should bloggers even have to be bothered by these pukes?

Edit: (and I'm speaking of bloggers as an afterthought. It's the commercial world that badly needs the kindergarden-like supervision. Bloggers are doing quite fine on their own as far as I can see
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Miah321658416

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Re: book em, danno!

File laws suits. Hell if the RIAA can sue some poor lady who make 21k a year for 4,000, for something she didnt even do just imagine what you could sue a company who spams your blog for maybe I will start a new blog just for said suit...

If this gets big I want credit LOL and if you do it I want a small cut for the idea...

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August 10th, @02:50PM

Yea but....

This is my first post here on these forums, followed Mr. Karl here from his blog which I forget how I found.... wasn't a Google word search involving strange animal rituals though.

Anyhow here's my take on the spammers and what we might happen if the government "steps in".

What bugs me is this "world economy" without "world accountability". If our government stepped in with some sort of regulations, it wouldn't do a thing to stop the off-shore spammers and would most likely just turn free e-mail into a "per charge" thing for us in the states.
And like the one person posted, going after the corporations could cause some easy corporate backstabbing. These spammers just seem relentless in their pursuit and implementation of new ways to get around everything that's done to stop them. Maybe we could create a small country and somehow trick all spammers into moving there (totally anonymous e-mail accounts, and free housing, NO REALLY!) then declare war on them....
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