Blinded By the LightVerizon fiber plan thrills the masses ( old news - 12:01PM Wednesday Jul 21 2004) tags: Fiber · telcoBy putting a name and price-tag on a service most customers won't see for many years, this Verizon press release has the mainstream presses' hearts all a-flutter with the possibilities of " fiber races" and other such broadband revolutions. If you've paid attention however, you know these tease announcements (made every few years for decades now) have one goal in mind: keeping the regulatory dogs at bay. From Nynex (now Verizon) in their 1993 annual report: "We're prepared to install between 1.5 million and 2 million fiber-optic lines through 1996 to begin building our portion of the information superhighway." From a Bell Atlantic (now Verizon) press release in 1996: "Later this year, Bell Atlantic will begin installing fiber-optic facilities and electronics to replace the predominantly copper cables between its telephone switching offices and customers - The company plans to add digital video broadcast capabilities to this 'fiber-to-the-curb,' switched broadband network by the third quarter of 1997." As of 2003 however, only 39,000 US homes were connected to fiber lines, and the bells still couldn't deliver so much as a single episode of Matlock. It's now 2004, and once again a single press release has the press thrilled, excited, and amazed at the possibilities of inexpensive and incredibly fast 15 & 30Mbps fiber connections. Verizon needs an avenue to provide video services. However if the profit isn't there, the states don't create the perfect regulatory climate, and the FCC doesn't grant Verizon's request for hands-off federal regulation (like cable), you won't be seeing fiber. Particularly if your state lawmakers make Verizon angry. Ask New Jersey, whose state regulators prevented Verizon from charging rivals more to lease their network. As the Newark Star Ledger illuminates, the state is now being punished by Verizon, who is scaling back their fiber deployments in the state until New Jersey gives them what they want. While that's Verizon's right and a fantastic example of capitalism and ingenuity, it's not an effective way of bringing broadband to all of the people who want it. Particularly while Verizon lawyers work to ban municipal projects that spring up in communities the bells often don't feel are profitable to serve. Writer Om Malik is one broadband journalist who stops to think, and smells something fishy in the math. Verizon's principle gear supplier (Advanced Fibre Communications) is looking at some very ugly numbers despite the fiber party. Why? Either "Verizon is not deploying FTTP as quickly as they would like us to believe," or "AFC's gear does not work," Malik thinks out loud. Malik also points to analysis by Light Reading's Phil Harvey, who notes that Verizon's Keller trial has proven to be a costly test bed. "even if a full one third of the residents in Keller subscribe to Verizon's FTTP network, the carrier's network will have cost it about $1,360 per customer served. Supposing one third of Keller's population does subscribe to FTTP services at the $45 monthly rate, Verizon would take about two-and-a-half years to make its money back," notes Harvey. While the money has been set aside and Verizon has sped up deployment, this is only the very first step on an incredibly long and difficult road. While the press might be easily impressed, the people of Pennsylvania who have paid out billions in taxpayer dollars for fiber connections never received, and the millions of users still waiting for even the slowest DSL - shouldn't be. Related:- Verizon Has No Plans To Cap, Throttle
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  obeythelaw Premium join:2003-04-16 New Jersey | Screw Verizon I'm from NJ. If Verizon wants to play hardball, let 'em. Verizon is all talk. Screw them! | |
|  |   fuhgedabodit
@optonline.net | Re: Screw Verizon It's called municipal fiber deployment, taxpayer funded. Get it started, you have a democratic governer who spends money right, get on the wire in NJ! | |
|  |  |   NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28 Arlington, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Screw Verizon Well to be honest I can understand where VZ is coming from. If federal and local governments put the same restrictions on VZ fiber as they do on VZ copper then there is no point in trying to deploy the technology because it would force VZ to share the lines it deployed with rivals who mostly likely won't pay enough to help off-set the cost of purchasing and laying down the lines.
If I were the President at VZ, I'd do the same thing. | |
|  |  |  |   Phil Rojo Sol Premium join:2001-06-11 Camarillo, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Screw Verizon said by NPGMBR : Well to be honest I can understand where VZ is coming from. If federal and local governments put the same restrictions on VZ fiber as they do on VZ copper then there is no point in trying to deploy the technology because it would force VZ to share the lines it deployed with rivals who mostly likely won't pay enough to help off-set the cost of purchasing and laying down the lines.
If I were the President at VZ, I'd do the same thing.
Very good point. -- fRiTz+Nomad+ | |
|  |  |  edelite
join:2004-05-24 US | Gov. James McGreevey doesn't seem to want to respond lately. Wrote him a letter about this though... | |
|  |  edelite
join:2004-05-24 US | Isn't this called BLACKMAIL? | |
|  |  |  BizFinancing Premium join:2003-01-10 Port Orchard, WA | Re: Screw Verizon More like extortion | |
|  |  |  |   Marilla I Am My Own Arbiter Premium join:2002-12-06 Belpre, OH | Re: Screw Verizon Actually, it's neither.. buy hey! who cares about details and facts and the meaning of words! | |
|  |  lesopp
join:2001-06-27 Land O Lakes, FL | So they are "poised" to deploy fiber. Well I am "poised" to win the lottery.
Who will get done first. | |
|  |  |   Marilla I Am My Own Arbiter Premium join:2002-12-06 Belpre, OH
| Re: Screw Verizon said by lesopp : So they are "poised" to deploy fiber. Well I am "poised" to win the lottery.
Who will get done first.
They will... long, long before you.
Plus, it seems they are already deploying it, actually. Imagine that... you got your first annuity payment yet? -- Windows, Mac, Linux, BSD - just use the right tool for the right job... end the OS Politics!
Real politics is much more interesting! www.georgewbush.com | |
|  |   orldf
@verizon.net
| The alternative is do it yourself. I think its quite fair to make the same restrictions that exist on cable, 'hands off' and they certainly paid for this technology out of their own budget, not with 'help' from the government(s).
So yes I agree, they deserve to make a return, and its going to be a slow return on their money. They aren't listing exorbitant rates and with some work cable might even manage to keep up to some degree, sort of reversing the relationship that cable has to dsl now.
Given the cost, the investment, and so forth, I think they are pursuing a fair set of legislations. Additionally if someone wants to pay them 1.5x the price to resell it, that seems fair to me too. After all those folks invested nothing.
I don't disagree with the actions, and I'd look forward to seeing fiber at our house. | |
|  Qweets
join:2004-02-24 Chico, CA
| Maybe its not so far off? Today our technology is way more advanced then it was back in the 90's we could most likely see phone companies rolling out fiber within the next couple of years and this will change the way the US uses the internet.. Keep our fingers crossed and hopes high | |
|  |   bottom line
@optonline.net
| Re: Maybe its not so far off? HUH? are you kidding Bottom line is if you don't put pressure on this comany to improve service, deploy service, offer what customers want.. The fact is that telephone companies are a federally regulated service provider because the are guarantees of quality of service backed up by state regulation and punishment for noncompliance. The primary reason why this is the case goes back to the 1980's when Mabell shifted the gears of government for it's own purposes (not this can only be done with conglomerates of corporations with similar interests and enough cash get political access), now VZ can only tinker, whine and complain...not a true free-market leadership quality i look for in a company. If this company doesn't look forward and replace the copper plant, they're filing for bankrupcy in less than four years b/c the true service that will be cannibalized is VOICE- by voip. It's not consumer lust for broadband. Right now, VZ is cherry picking deployments much in the same way as RCN did..but they didn't realize who they're real enemy was, the cable companies, not the phone companies, now they're a marginalized player..It's up to individual municipalities to decide whether or not there is not enough competition and what to do about it, set goals, deadlines and be prepared to do something about it, invite other companies to bypass VZ altogether and buildout it's own plants (make sure they can get the job done, and not make a mess of your telephone poles) | |
|  DannyZ Gentoo Fanboy Premium join:2003-01-29 Erie, PA | Never again As a PA resident, they have already gotten enough of my cash. Not to mention I have had such bad experiences with this company I would never use their services again, even if it was free. Too little too late. | |
|  |   N3OGH It's Biden Vs. the Biscuit. Sarah's hot Premium join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Never again AMEN!!!!!!!
They took our tax breaks, and promised to fiber up Pennsylvania, and now they talk about Florida and Texas. Talk about INSULTING.
The only fiber you'll get from Verizon is the kind that makes you $hit, since that's what they're full off....
They will never ever get dollar 1 from me ever again. | |
|   RadioDoc Sortofadog Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| Why are "all of the people"... ...such a qualification for success? Millions don't have access to cable TV or marginally reliable cellular coverage, either. Where's your righteous indignation about that?
Verizon and their ilk are certainly not blameless, and may be money-grubbing corporate whores, but they are businesses and are entitled to make whatever money they can in this "deregulated" environment.
And..."...the carrier's network will have cost it about $1,360 per customer served. Supposing one third of Keller's population does subscribe to FTTP services at the $45 monthly rate, Verizon would take about two-and-a-half years to make its money back..."??? Two and a half years is pretty damn good on a large infrastructure investment. If this was a start-up, speculators would be killing each other to acquire stock. Is this really a news story or just more rousing of the front-page rabble in the name of "buzz"? -- Rise and take away their lies. | |
|  |   Marilla I Am My Own Arbiter Premium join:2002-12-06 Belpre, OH | Re: Why are "all of the people"... Buzz buzz...
You know, more power to the people, and suchlike... broadband Internet is a staple of life and all.
"Let them eat cake"... | |
|  |   lostdslaccount
@optonline.net
| Well, they lost my dsl account two months ago and they were an a$$ hair away from taking the voice service away too, damn customer service have you on hold 30 mins to disconnet service, no way..If it you wanted service and it was technically possible, they'd be there in a fraction of a second, but look to take money away and all of a sudden customer service representatives are all busy.. Oh, you mean dsl accounts are being canceled in droves, or it really does take 1/2 hour to reach canadian or india for customer service 'retention department.. If fiber is anything like DSL I'd rather co-op the town and get municipal deployment...It reminds me of that song "Never gonna get it, never gonna get it... never get it, never get it. woo woo woo woo!" | |
|   griminal Finally.
join:2001-06-25 Bangor, MI | Whatever! These weenies can't even get a DSL line to me at 6800 feet. No capacity they say.
Fiber... never going to happen. | |
|  |  shashinka
join:2000-09-16 West Boylston, MA
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| Re: Whatever! EXACTLY! My grandmother who is paying $43 a month for Comcast wants to get Verizon for the $30 a month. She is within the 18,000 feet limit but is on a fiber extension. They won't move her over to copper because they ae moving towards fiber. I laughed and said don't you want her as a customer? Fiber if lucky is 5-10 years down the road I would think, she is 78!!! She won't be around. | |
|  neftv
join:2000-10-01 Broomall, PA | I guess PA is Screwed then. nuff said.  | |
|   jap Premium join:2003-08-10 038xx | Muni. Thanks for dragging out the histort, Carl. Perfect quality-of-life example of the US's nutso infatuation with placing longterm distributed services into the hands of a private sector built upon follow-the-money realities & short-term rewards. Muni. | |
|  jmr50
join:2000-05-14 Chantilly, VA
| If Verizon won't play ball, why not Co-op? Building out networks is capital and labor intensive, but why couldn't this be done on a smaller (local) scale by co-ops? Getting approvals for one town isn't that hard, and there are plenty of well-trained Bell folks who've taken early retirement who could design and implement something without all that corporate overhead. If all it takes it two grand and a dream, I bet a company could find enough dreamers to get up to critical mass. | |
|  |  |   Transmaster Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY
| Sounds familiar Venison* sounds like the old US West their pronouncements were so full of crap you could use them for lawn food. The present day Qwest is much, much better.
*My spell check changed to this from Verizon I liked it so I left it. -- »www.gobpl.com | |
|   Doctor Dan Weapons Of Masturbation Premium join:2001-10-20 Papiopolis
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| The Usual B.S. between Verizon and NJBPU From the Star Ledger article: quote: "As we said a couple of months ago, we are rolling out some fiber to a handful of Bergen County towns, but the scope of the project has been greatly scaled back," said Rich Young, a spokesman for Verizon New Jersey. "We would clearly love for New Jersey to be part of this fiber-to-the-premises, but as we have consistently said, the wholesale rates are too low. The company is investing in fiber deployment in states with the best investment climate."
Once again, the NJBPU takes a myopic view of ILECs/CLECs to the ultimate detriment of NJ consumers. Verizon's true competitors are the cable service providers, as they are the only other major players with the necessary infrastructure to deliver voice, data, and video to the home.
I was also under the impression that one of the motivators for Verizon and the other ILECs to deploy FTTH was that they would not have to lease this new network to CLECs. If that is the case, then it makes little sense for Verizon to balk over wholesale copper twisted-pair rates in NJ; they should transition to fiber and decommission (or sell off) their copper ASAP, thereby making the CLEC "issue" moot.
- Dan -- "Are you not aware that I get farty and bloated with a foamy latte?" | |
|  |  BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15 Everett, MA clubs: | Re: The Usual B.S. between Verizon and NJBPU I say let the clecs pay to maintain the copper when they are done. Hell let em fix it and invest in newer dsl technology too. -- This package does not contain a winner... | |
|  Estragon
join:2003-06-20 Greenville, NH
·MV Communications,..
| Just a Press Release So far this appears to be just a Verizon press release -- and nothing more.
If you go to the Verizon web site to learn more about it or order it, you will find .... nothing. Well not quite, if you search hard enough you will find the press release.
So what does it mean? Don't mean sh*t. **SIGH**
So Verizon! When can I order it? When can you deliver it to me? | |
|  |  |   gwion wild colonial boy Premium,ExMod 2003-08 join:2000-12-28 Pittsburgh, PA
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| A few thoughts, from the VZ point of view... It's still a corrupt subsidy, and Verizon's RIGHT. They deserve fair market value for their property, their capital, their investments. Their competitors have no right to preferred status, none, zero. It's socialized telecom; and it belies the FCC agenda: "torpedo all RBOC's". It amounts to nothing more than an affirmative action program for rich white entrepreneurs with CLEC interests. If you told me I had to sell in the money options to new investors who don't have the skill, capital or experience to be trading, to begin with, and I had to sell 'em for less than the open market bid price to "help the guys get a leg up," I would simply quit trading... period. Why in heaven, earth or hell would I build plant, if I knew I had to sell it below wholesale, even below cost, to some wet behind the ears newcomer whose "telecom" doesn't own an inch of outside plant, and whose entire capital investment is a room full of servers, desks and file cabinets??? What business do they have in the business if they can't capitalize building out their own plant, and can't afford to pay fair market for leasing access to mine? Of COURSE this puts a brake on buildouts. What, we would expect a company to dump money hand over fist into something they can't leverage as a profitable investment in capital? Hell, on that reasoning, I'll put a few park benches and a bandstand on my lawn, and give it to the neighborhood for a dollar a month as a parklet... sure I will. 
That said, certainly, Verizon's holding out fiber to the home as the next super-biggie tech development; and, certainly, that's expressed in terms of rollout in years... try around a decade, maybe more. The average RBOC has millions of miles of outside plant to update... MILLIONS. Especially Verizon, the biggest of the big in these terms... and this stuff's old. POTS dates back to the turn of the last century. Typical outside plants in some areas are fifty, seventy five years old. And perfectly adequate for POTS. But obsolescing fast, in terms of telephony as a digital medium.
I give VZ some credit; at least they're out of the "talk a good show" phase, and they're actually trying to start implementing a deployment. There's so much dark fiber in this country from the old dot gone boom (trunk lines) that we need our heads examined if we don't do something with the stuff. A decade is actually a "very" ambitious time frame for this vast network. Remember, Ivan's stated goal is fiber to the home "system wide" within fifteen years... yow. Anyone realize how many miles of glass threads that involves??? And how many hours of work? This isn't an enterprise buildout... where we just rewire a few buildings on a corporate campus. This is pretty much a system wide complete rebuild of the outside plant of a huge telco. --- and it obsolesces a lot of the equipment that services the lines. Fiber is a different technology from copper. Much of the old equipment simply doesn't "work" on fiber.
In that context, we should be impressed, not impatient. It would require old Merlin returning from the mists of time to implement something like this in a couple years. This buildout's huge.
Finally, my own big question, though... I always like to get a wrench in the works, somewhere... we all know it's true, and it's axiomatic, that technology has the shelf life of a ripe yellow banana. Sooooooo... in ten years... will this be "2004 technology in 2014?" Hmmmmmm...  -- Semper Eadem
There struts Hamlet, there is Lear, That's Ophelia, that Cordelia; Yet they, should the last scene be there, The great stage curtain about to drop, If worthy their prominent part in the play, Do not break up their lines to weep. | |
|  |  |  |  Zorglub
join:2000-11-18 Fremont, CA
| At the end of the day, since these companies enjoy a near monopoly status in their home areas, their money is really the money they collect from us customers. The same customers who gave them indirectly the monopoly. So at the end of the day, their money is really our money.  | |
|  |  |  |  tommytomtom
join:2002-08-15 Springfield, VA
| "It's still a corrupt subsidy, and Verizon's RIGHT. They deserve fair market value for their property, their capital, their investments."
So, the real problem is politicians who sell the idea of pseudo "competition" to placate the ignorant? If this is what you mean, I agree.
"It amounts to nothing more than an affirmative action program for rich white entrepreneurs with CLEC interests."
Hey, does it always have to be about race; if you need to bring race into your argument, maybe you need to rethink your position? Plus, some of my best friends are white? | |
|  |  |   NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28 Arlington, VA | Re: A few thoughts, from the VZ point of view... Shi* - All of my friends are white ............. does that mean im not really black? | |
|  |  dsless
join:2001-05-16 Pittsburgh, PA | They have had years to start upgrading stuff that is 75 years old and the public has payed for. So from a tax view point we still are paying high rates for old stuff that has been written off and not getting anything in return. | |
|  |  |  |  PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04 Banks, OR
| said by gwion : Remember, Ivan's stated goal is fiber to the home "system wide" within fifteen years... yow.
Well, it it really was fiber to everyone in fifteen years, I might say "yow". But I believe that past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Given that, ubiquitious fiber will never happen. Not in the absence of government involvement; the same government involvement that made POTS available to all. But the political climate for that happening today just isn't there. The government can't even get it together to provide rules for reliable electrical power, let alone for something more esoteric as advanced telecommunications(!)
A friend recently told me the two primary core competencies of the ILECs are lobbying, and litigation. This arises out of their roots as a regulated monopoly, and they still act that way. And with the regulators moving in the direction of giving them more monopoly power, they increasingly act that way.
I have a friend, now retired, who worked many years for AT&T Bell Labs, back when it was the only phone company. He told me once that AT&T's plans for upgrading their long-distance network from analog copper to digital fiber stretched out over many decades. They saw no reason to do it faster. A monopoly never does.
All that changed overnight when MCI was allowed to enter the long-distance market, and started airing those "you can hear a pin drop" commercials. The fiber switchover within AT&T went into fire drill mode, and was completed in a few years. | |
|  |   gwion wild colonial boy Premium,ExMod 2003-08 join:2000-12-28 Pittsburgh, PA
| It said they would be a "few thoughts from the Verizon point of view." 
I didn't say it was my point of view. It may be; it may not be. Some may be... and some not... but it's certainly a fair point of view for Verizon to have. They're not in business to subsidize competition, and it IS a subsidy. It's a subsidy any way you look at it. Just because someone's rich doesn't obligate them in an ethical way to play with a handicap in their business. If someone can compete, fine; if they can't compete without a subsidy, then perhaps that very fact makes a substantial case that the industry is a "natural monopoly," by its very nature, or that in the alternative the wannabe competitor is unqualified, in terms of capitalization and business plan, to be in that business, to begin with. Telecom is one big hole into which money gets thrown, in the grand scheme of American business. The costs of maintaining a telecom is summed up in two words: "physical plant." The costs of building and maintaining a physical plant are astronomical.
I certainly do want to see competition; qualified competition. Not paper pushers who wholesale bandwidth and line capacity from Bell whatever at artificially preferred rates, and then resells it to me. What incentive does this guy ever have to contribute to the national infrastructure? Why not just cruise on forever, using someone else's infrastructure, letting someone else's rate payers and share holders pay to keep it up and running?
Unqualified competition is nothing more nor less than a parasite on the industry, the technology and the national infrastructure. It's here today and gone tomorrow. Anybody reading along get great rates from someone back in the dot gone days who went belly up in the shakeout? Fun being left without service, isn't it?
That's precisely the situation we could create if we aren't careful. Big telecom has lots of warts, don't get me wrong. But one doesn't toss out the prince and start auditioning frogs because he happens to have a wart on his nose. There do need to be incentives, if we want a competitive telecom industry, because, in fact, the astronomical costs of doing this right do amount to a "natural monopoly", in almost every way. Oddly, I think this is something that fails to register with most people, including the Wall Street analysts and the Beltway crowd. Try wiring up a network to serve just your block. When you're done, please post the costs... in round millions... you incurred. And you have to set up your own infrastructure. Not lease from the local RBOC. Ah, hell... for the experiment, go ahead. Lease the line. The mini-CO ought to set you back quite enough by itself to make you put off the yacht and lear jet for a few years.
There you go... in a nutshell. I have no allegiances, no vested interests... just my analysis. Don't even own any stock in VZ, right now. Or any other RBOC. My analysis isn't based on the politics. It's based on the pure economics. If you want to subsidize the alternate provider, great... but subsidize them directly, from the government trough. Making their competitors subsidize them is --- taken from a distance, and looked at with an entirely detached, objective eye --- hilarious and blatantly absurd. And what incentive does that give Verizon or SWB or any of the other RBOC's to want to invest any more than is absolutely necessary to provide service in their plant? If you tell me I'll have to share my new plant with my prime competitor, but he'll pay me 15% less than the market value of the space, why would I build it? No new plant... that isn't mercenary business predation; that's common financial sense, the same sort all of us would apply to any transaction we entered into for ourselves, or for our companies... -- Semper Eadem
There struts Hamlet, there is Lear,That's Ophelia, that Cordelia;Yet they, should the last scene be there,The great stage curtain about to drop,If worthy their prominent part in the play,Do not break up their lines to weep. | |
|  |  |  |  |   gwion wild colonial boy Premium,ExMod 2003-08 join:2000-12-28 Pittsburgh, PA
| ... good point, doctor. And I'll also hasten to point out that, amid all the wrangling, it's ironically VOIP that's stealing subscribers, not alternative POTS or DSL providers. At least Verizon seems to be recognizing this. A major part of their end-game with all of the recent upgrades, I have no doubt, isn't a desire to give away more service for less, it's to provide a network that, should you and I decide to go VOIP, and any other "OIP" technologies as they're developed, will have the integrity and capacity to handle it. Verizon wants to, if they can't be your POTS carrier, be at least your ISP/VOIP carrier. Which makes good business sense.
But the real point, in context, is that while the war's fought between ILEC and CLEC over the subsidy issue, it may well transpire that the winner will be an entirely different technology. The CLECs, the weaker of them, might just dry up and blow away before the issue really... becomes an issue of any great magnitude. Verizon, I'll grant, seems to want to be ready for that showdown, whenever the technology's ready to become pervasive... I wonder if the rest of the industry is seeing the emerging threat as clearly?
... of course, there may be an entirely new tech next month. And all this might be mooted. Technology, as has been said so often, has the shelf life, these days, of a ripe, yellow banana.  -- Semper Eadem
There struts Hamlet, there is Lear,That's Ophelia, that Cordelia;Yet they, should the last scene be there,The great stage curtain about to drop,If worthy their prominent part in the play,Do not break up their lines to weep. | |
|  ced06
join:2004-03-12 Towanda, PA
| Trials? Why doesn't Verizon try a trial on my shit trailertrash hick town of Towanda, Pennsylvania. The only broadband options are Adelphia Powerlink (which most people outside "town" can't get) and Epix DSL, which plain out sucks ass. I don't see why they wouldn't want to give a trial in PA...since they already screwed them over a billion or so dollars. | |
|   techie Premium join:2003-06-18 Fort Erie clubs: | I wonder When the telcos here in Canada will start this? Cable and DSL is already ahead here, but haven't heard any fiber plans. | |
|  Vivi Mr Happy
join:2002-07-28 MD
| who cares? If it's a 10 years for everyone else it's 15 for us where I live. So I could honestly care less. It was only 6 months ago we even got dsl here, even when it's a town of 7000 people. I get good pings for gaming,can download big files quickly and that's all that matters to me. Video services sure as hell do not, especially when they are going to be expensive as hell. If it costs more than both cable and satilite what the hell is the point? | |
|  |  |  DSLrgm Premium,MVM join:2002-08-22 Oak Park, MI
| Difference now is IEEE 802.3ah is an approved standard.
EPON - Ethernet over Passive Optical Networks
Finally makes deploying fiber sensible. One up stream splits into 32 downstreams. The units will be quite cheap compared to alternatives.
Since it is 802.3, really, it can easily connect into a metropolitan bridged (802.1D) service.
The right technology is now there.
Will Verizon do it right, or what? | |
|  |   TechieZero Tools Are Using Me Premium join:2002-01-25 Wesley Chapel, FL | I guess I am lucky...
...even though I am a pawn in their game.
VERIZON, you offer me the service as listed, and I will give it a go. -- Un-farenheit 9/11 »slate.msn.com/id/2102723/ | |
|  |   Tzale Ron Paul - No Bailout Conservative Premium join:2004-01-06 NJ, USA
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| Idiots. Some of you people are complete idiots. You can't compare technology decades or even 10 years ago to what we have now. There is a DEMAND for broadband now, unlike the 90's where dialup was plenty. We NEED broadband, it's becoming a common thing in a lot of peoples homes. We need more bandwidth, and Verizon sees a lot of money in deploying fiber to the premise. A lot of you don't do reading, I suggest you go to the Verizon forum and read all the FTTP threads. FTTP is being deployed in TEXAS, NEW JERSEY, MARYLAND, VIRGINIA, FLORIDA, CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK. Most of these places have fiber already hung on the poles, and ONT's being put up. In my county, there is fiber being put on the poles, and ONT's being secured to the sides of houses ready to be put into use before year's end. Stop the whining, why do you always assume that just because they can't get DSL to you, they won't be able to get FTTP? FTTP is a much easier system to maintain, and EVERYONE no matter what distance can receive the top speed because it's a LIGHT signal. All electricity is removed from the lines, and just a laser light shining through a strand of glass, so you'll have basically unlimited bandwidth. Whenever more bandwidth is needed, Verizon can upgrade the equipment. The current system is designed to handle up to 622mbps of Data 30mbit/Digital HD TV/Digital Telephone (with no extra hardware). There will be ethernet running to your router, coax running to your TV's and your existing copper in your house will carry the digital telephone.
This is a WONDERFUL thing Verizon is doing. Stop the BS, whining. It costs MILLIONS of dollars to install RT's and get an area ready for DSL. Why waste that money on slow DSL that will be useless in a few years when they can use that money to deploy fiber which can last for centuries (though I doubt the poles will last lol). Copper can only handle so much, and we have reached the END of using copper for last mile solutions. It's time to upgrade to pure glass, and keep the copper only in our homes, not thousands of feet to the CO.
-Tzale | |
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join:2004-03-12 Towanda, PA
| Re: Idiots. said by Tzale : In my county, there is fiber being put on the poles
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It's time to upgrade to pure glass
Do they use protective casings along the poles?
Why is FTTP anyways? Fiber To The Pole? Are we talking about telephone poles? | |
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@shentel.net
| Re: Idiots. I love hearing stuff about fiber being setup, but how far/fast will they go. I live out were the only availible connection is 56k. To far for DSL(25000ft farther), and they will never try to bring cable out here because it is Adelphia, and that says it. I'd love to see fiber start to be deployed, but I am demanding broadband out here in some form.
Fiber isn't as costly as some might think. My Uncle works is head of the technology systems for a school system in Indiana. Recently he has had to set up 3 connection, over 8-10miles in distance of each other, with fiber. Total cost $250,000. Besides having 0% down time, 100% reliablity it seems to work very well. At that price they could wire huge areas easly.
Second, they could hire more workers (lower unemployment), and set this up faster. True cost more, but how much are you gonna be spending on the fiber already. Even with the equpiment to support mulitple people, you could easly make a profit. Like for this technology you could really up the price. I'd say $65-$75, that would speed up the "make-up" cost. And that should realy be the least of the companies concerns.
We that is just my $1.45 | |
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