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Will run parallel to IPv4 for some 20 years
(old news - 02:15PM Tuesday Jul 20 2004)
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IPv6 took a significant step forward this week with ICANN's decision to officially add add the next generation protocol to its root server systems. The shift to IPv6 is perhaps the largest and most significant change to the structure of the internet in decades - ICANN's move a signal that the revolution has officially begun.

In 2001 and long before, there were endless streams of media warnings that wireless technology (and smart refrigerators) were gobbling up the world's allocation of IP addresses, particularly in Europe and Asia, where fewer addresses had been dished out. As of 2002, the U.S. operated more than 3,012,735,145 IP addresses, whereas China and South Korea were originally allocated 38,527,336 and 23,559,640 IP addresses respectively, despite having a significantly larger combined population (1.3 Billion plus).

To solve this problem, the push grew louder in 2002 and 2003 to get IPv6 out of the testing phase and into practical circulation. That push came largely from foreign countries, who blamed the United States for delaying their cooperation - due primarily to their abundance of IP addresses. With the explosion of wireless services, the US was forced to accept the reality of the situation and quicken its pace of adoption.

In 2003, the Pentagon put the shift to IPv6 on the front burner, launching a new five-year migration agenda; claiming that full military migration should be completed before 2008. Cooperatively the Government and Academia also launched the MoonV6 project, the largest IPv6 network to date. The network has created a functioning test-bed to help iron out upgrade issues before the technology hits the public internet bloodstream.

As with any technology, IPv6 isn't without its critics, however. Researchers at MIT this past January suggested (Technology Review, registration required, use Bugmenot) that the migration from 32 to 128 bit addresses would leave the web "slower and less secure".

The claims of IPv6 being "slower" made by MIT are based on the idea that V4 routers would have to process the new addresses in software, something that's made irrelevant as hardware is slowly upgraded. The article also claims (without much support) that the "nail in the coffin" for IPv6 could be the elimination of NAT (Network Address Translation). NAT ironically has allowed this shortage of IP real estate to be less noticeable by allowing multiple devices to hide behind a single address. Both MIT claims were hotly debated.

According to comments made by ICANN's chief Vint Cerf to Reuters today, two-thirds of the world's 4.3 billion Internet addresses are currently in circulation, and the shift toward IPv6 should increase capacity some "25,000 trillion trillion times." Cerf claims IPv6 will run parallel to IPv4 for about 20 years in order to work out the assorted kinks and bugs.

Users interested in learning or talking about IPv6 should stop by our IPv6 forum.

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UnKown
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a bit funny

"To solve this problem, the push grew louder in 2002 and 2003 to get IPv6 out of the testing phase and into practical circulation. That push came largely from foreign countries, who blamed the United States for delaying their cooperation - due primarily to their abundance of IP addresses."

i couldnt help but laugh at that.

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Re: a bit funny

i agree.... hey rest of world: maybe we have the most IP addresses because its our network?

maybe?

jeeze you give people something for free and they still bitch
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Re: a bit funny

Let the bastards develop their own network then. We owe them absolutely nothing. Besides making the cheap ass electronic parts that can be found in basically every computer, router, etc., Asia has contributed basically nothing to networking technology. Why do all these countries feel as if the U.S.A. owes them something? They're already stealing most of our jobs.

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Re: a bit funny

Not only Asia, in Europe, there are less IP´s than inhabitants. If EEUU want to have a standalone network, ok. I think it would be very good news if we heard the rest of the world started with IPv6, and EEUU continue with IPv4... we could use your network, but you wont be able to enter in ours.

F*ck USA = F*ck terrorist country.

EuroPride

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EEUU´s laws are only applicable in the EEUU territory. So your nerwork is yours in your territory, beyond USA´s frontiers, the network is from the country that owns it.
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Re: a bit funny

said by EuroPride:
EEUU´s laws are only applicable in the EEUU territory.
Wrong.

EU has failed to approve of US companies merging on antitrust grounds.

See GE and Honeywell.
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said by UnKown See Profile:
That push came largely from foreign countries, who blamed the United States for delaying their cooperation
Maybe the rest of the world needs to go solve its own problems for once and quit blaming us for their own shortcomings.
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It's about time

People can sit around and jabber about how good/bad it is, but we won't know anything until someone gets moving on this.
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Re: It's about time

I agree, finally an intelligent decision from Icant
although 15 years would be more realistic.
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WOW

Look at those numbers!

jeffbrantley

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What a pain in the butt...

As if it's not already tough enough to remember different sets of 4 octets. Now you need to know if you're dealing with 4 or 6!

I'll just have to buckle down and pretend it's like being able to use an 8th symbol on the stargate to go far far away.

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Re: What a pain in the butt...

20 year implementation period? Isnt that a bit much?
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Re: What a pain in the butt...

they're taking their times with this: but they're just being sure that there are no snags in this process.

I would've prefer a timetable approach that the Pentagon has done - say make the transition be completed sometimes in 2014.

That'd be nice, eh?

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said by jeffbrantley See Profile:
As if it's not already tough enough to remember different sets of 4 octets. Now you need to know if you're dealing with 4 or 6!

I'll just have to buckle down and pretend it's like being able to use an 8th symbol on the stargate to go far far away.

And the problem is we can't get back - but we can back out now before we leave
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Re: What a pain in the butt...

said by djtim21 See Profile:
said by jeffbrantley See Profile:
As if it's not already tough enough to remember different sets of 4 octets. Now you need to know if you're dealing with 4 or 6!

I'll just have to buckle down and pretend it's like being able to use an 8th symbol on the stargate to go far far away.

And the problem is we can't get back - but we can back out now before we leave

We can get back if we get move ZPM or some other power source

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ICANN Starts IPv6 Ball Rolling

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increase capacity some "25,000 trillion trillion times
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Which allows more computers on the internet and even more spam to circulate the globe.
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Re: ICANN Starts IPv6 Ball Rolling

What makes anyone think IPv6 will stop or otherwise curtail spam? Get rid of VBS, HTML messages and limit the size. The rest will take care of itself.

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Re: ICANN Starts IPv6 Ball Rolling

said by linicx See Profile:
What makes anyone think IPv6 will stop or otherwise curtail spam? Get rid of VBS, HTML messages and limit the size. The rest will take care of itself.

Agreed, IPV6 has nothing to do with the creation or removal of spam.
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Yea more zombies to control.
I am not going to be happy when my fridge get a virus and defrost a freezer full of food. It is about time they start this. I need an Ip address for my Pen so it can wirrelessly tell my pocket-PC phone it has 25% ink left.
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said by antiphishing See Profile:
Which allows more computers on the internet and even more spam to circulate the globe.
More spam maybe. But the way IPv6 is supposed to work... no NAT. That means spammers' spam servers cannot hide behind private address. This is of course assuming IPv4 is phased out and we all are on IPv6.

I'm sure later on the line someone will come up with a way to NAT behind IPv6. But in the mean time, I can just see a lot of IPs being denied in access lists/firewalls/Restricted Zones etc.

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Re: ICANN Starts IPv6 Ball Rolling

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This is of course assuming IPv4 is phased out and we all are on IPv6

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I don't think IPv4 will ever be phased out because it's to well integrated across the globe. We dug a huge hole with IPv4 and now must fix the security holes with it first before we move on to IPv6.
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Re: ICANN Starts IPv6 Ball Rolling

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I don't think IPv4 will ever be phased out
Forever is a very long time. IPv4 will not last forever.

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Seems like a simple firmware upgrade would get NAT working again on most SOHOs. The security features of being behind a NAT device will not be tossed aside just to get IPv6 working.
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ha

well..

there is still no place like 127.0.0.. .errrrr

::1 !!
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Re: ha

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well..

there is still no place like 127.0.0.. .errrrr

::1 !!

There is an internal IPv6 range. It's something like E36A:: or something
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Why is China concerned

Did'nt China have IPv9? why not use that and leave us alone. LOL

Nam Vet
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Re: Why is China concerned

Well having the largest population of any country on earth
and now having a very strong economy (my coffee maker was made in china also my george Foreman grill along with a lot of other things) how long do you expect China to remain
Socialist?

There are ceo's here that would give up there 1st born to be able to get a foot in the door (to do business in China)
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Re: Why is China concerned

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how long do you expect China to remain
Socialist?
China has never been socialist. Ever.

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Re: Why is China concerned

SORRY, maybe Marx'ist or communist is the correct term.
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How to get IPv6 popular

P2P application like napster/Kazaa/etc should give a boost to IPv6 popularity. Too bad none of those apps work with IPv6 and those RIAA still looking at IPv4.

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ICANN Starts IPv6 Ball Rolling

A good source of information about IPV6

»playground.sun.com/pub/ipng/html···rds.html



»www.antihotmail.com


spammers_are_scumbags@antihotmail.com

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trillion trillion?

How about a real number, most of us are no longer in elementary school.
Just a crappy rant.

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Changes a-comin'!

IPv6 today, metric system tomorrow!

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You laugh....

But I recall a day in the not so distant past where Class C's were given away like free t-shirts. Reform just had to happen...

See 10 replies to this post

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Maybe this is silly, but...

Why should NAT go away? Why should IPv4 completely go away?

For home users, SOHO, and even corporations, even classful IPv4 routing should provide more than enough addresses for even the largest of organizations.

IPv6 should really only apply to external, directly connected links. Why can't IPv4--and IPv4 NAT--simply hide behind hybrid routers? Granted, all hosts behind the router will still have to understand IPv6, but at least they won't have to use it (and whether they use it or not wouldn't matter to the global address pool).

Now, if IPv6 turns out to be substantially easier to administrate, then I guess that's a good reason for IPv4 to go away, even in private lans. But I don't think that's the case, and there are so many applications that simply will not understand (and will not be patched to understand) IPv6.

IPv4 might disappear from the internet at large, but I don't think it'll be disappearing from lans any time soon. NAT certainly won't, or shouldn't, even if IPv6 does provide tens of thousands of addresses per square meter of earth.
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How much exactly is 2^128?

3.4028236692093846e+38 or 3.4028236692093846 * 10^38

What is the world population?
»www.census.gov/ipc/www/clock.html (Java applet - this page uses a pop-up window to display the numbers)
»www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html (non-Java version)
right now it is around 6.3816e+9 or 6.3816 * 10^9

If you don't understand scientific notation - click here

I think that is enough to have your own globally-accessible subnet.
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n00bs...

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I like my /64

Tracing route to orange.kame.net [2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms 1 ms 2001:470:1f00:279::1
2 83 ms 83 ms 92 ms 2001:470:1f00:ffff::166
3 84 ms 89 ms 81 ms 2001:470:1fff:2::26
4 89 ms 84 ms 90 ms 3ffe:80a::e
5 190 ms 190 ms 188 ms 2001:2a0:0:bb0a::1
6 192 ms 191 ms 193 ms 2001:2a0:0:bb04::6
7 189 ms 191 ms 193 ms 2001:200:0:1800::9c4:0
8 285 ms 269 ms 272 ms 2001:200:0:1802:240:66ff:fe10:cf7c
9 261 ms 260 ms 288 ms 2001:200:0:1c04::1000:2000
10 264 ms 274 ms 269 ms 2001:200:0:4819::2000:1
11 272 ms 269 ms 269 ms 2001:200:0:8002:203:47ff:fea5:3085

ive been using IPv6 on my home network for a few months now. I run Ipv6 over IPv4 using tunnelbroker.net and routing IPv6 native traffic on my LAN over this tunnel.

Its slow, but its interesting, plus i get a /64 and trillions of Ips and im only using about 30.

:)

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Running out of IPs... Really...

We just think we are. How many LARGE IP blocks out there are reserved and going unused? I could name off a dozen companies with class A networks that I wager aren't even being used.
Take Halliburton for example, why would a company that blasts holes in the ground for oil need sixteen million IPs anyway?
Cable modem users make up a large portion of the internet, yet only have one class A netblock. Are they saying that Ford or Halliburton have as many computers as all of the cable modem users in the US? I doubt it.

You take in to account all of the reserved IPv4 space, and it's easy to see why a single IP costs the little guy an average of $10 extra.

IPv6...what's next? 25-Digit dialing?

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Re: Running out of IPs... Really...

If the IP problem could be solved simply by releasing large unused blocks of IP addresses, classless routing would've fixed it long ago.

Obviously, the problem is bigger than that.
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said by Brisk See Profile:
Take Halliburton for example, why would a company that blasts holes in the ground for oil need sixteen million IPs anyway?
How do you think they figure out where to blast holes in the ground?

Oil companies have been at the forefront of the computing revolution for more than a generation.
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IPv6

Blah blah it had to be done just like 10 digit dialing. Just get used to it.

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Big brother

I wonder if IPv6 addresses will be assigned to implantable RF ID chips.

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no surprise

This is has been coming for a LONG time. We were learning IPv6 in CCNA class 4 years ago. It's what makes a heirarchal, scalable addressing scheme like IP so nice - just make it bigger!

Bring it on....don't forget that fiber to box on the back of the house too.
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