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Bit Torrent the New King
Among mainstream p2p users, anyway
Once a dominant player in the p2p game, Kazaa has effectively been a victim of its own success; targeted by the RIAA, and made chubby from the revenues their spyware loaded software provided. While IRC and Usenet remain the true black market conduits of the internet, Bit Torrent has replaced Kazaa as the mainstream application of choice. We've found mainstream traders fleeing Kazaa to Bit Torrent are often under the mistaken impression that they're somehow more anonymous, which couldn't be further from the truth. It's surprising that the RIAA has not applied much legal pressure on the increasing number of torrent related websites that direct users toward pirated software, films, and music.
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Mentat
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IRC > *

Everyone needs to just switch to IRC.

I suspect lots more would if it wasn't for the pompous attitude of many IRCers.

b34tBoX
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Re: IRC > *

said by Mentat:
Everyone needs to just switch to IRC.

I suspect lots more would if it wasn't for the pompous attitude of many IRCers.

IRCers = RICers.

stateq2
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Re: IRC > *

said by b34tBoX:
said by Mentat:
Everyone needs to just switch to IRC.

I suspect lots more would if it wasn't for the pompous attitude of many IRCers.

IRCers = RICers.


AdamB0
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"IRC > *" is a great example of pompous attitude...

I use both IRC and BitTorrent quite regularly and together I get what I want. Kazaa was nice for like single mp3s, but not much else.

Mentat
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Re: IRC > *

What I meant was the seeming unwillingness of veteran IRC users showing newbies the ropes.

As to the title, IRC has a huge advantage on all current p2p programs, the anonymity factor.

I do still use *za programs, they're much easier to use.. that's their draw.

IRC takes a certain amount of dedication to be able to find what you really want.

markofmayhem
Why not now?
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Re: IRC > *

Would you show me the ropes?

I've been getting Fedora through the mirrors, maybe I should give BT a try. Anything more than 4k/s would be welcomed

Mentat
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Re: IRC > *

said by markofmayhem:
Would you show me the ropes?

I've been getting Fedora through the mirrors, maybe I should give BT a try. Anything more than 4k/s would be welcomed

Sorry, I'm busy

removed See Profile has written a great IRC faq here, check it out.

lazarus_
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said by Mentat:
What I meant was the seeming unwillingness of veteran IRC users showing newbies the ropes.
IRC is very simple.. Its just hard for people to grasp you can download files using a chat program. This site gives all the help a newbie could ever need..

steelgaze
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I personally feel that IRC shouldn't be experiencing those "growths" that kazaa and BT are getting (or in some cases, had gotten :P ).

How I feel IRC should be kept is closed off from the "normal" users, so that there's a place for people like me to go and hangout without drawing too much attention. Then again that's my weirdo elitist complex or something. I'm sure someone will flame me for that.
ElizabethP64
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Re: IRC > *

said by steelgaze:
I personally feel that IRC shouldn't be experiencing those "growths" that kazaa and BT are getting (or in some cases, had gotten :P ).

How I feel IRC should be kept is closed off from the "normal" users, so that there's a place for people like me to go and hangout without drawing too much attention. Then again that's my weirdo elitist complex or something. I'm sure someone will flame me for that.

I couldn't agree more.

The veterans are sequestering themselves in private keyed or invite only channels, most centered around trusted users who have been part of the circle for years and several good FTPs.

The DCC protocol is grossly inefficient. The channels which have public fserves are silly as the wait time is astronomical - a handful of servers try to service hundreds of people, that's to be expected.

No, IRC is about making contacts, not finding files.

Beth
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ircisnotanon
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>>>As to the title, IRC has a huge advantage on all current p2p programs, the anonymity factor.

Not true at all. While some IRC networks do not show your IP or censor the end of it, if you are downloading (via dcc) from another computer your IP IS KNOWN! You never know who you are downloading from and they do have your IP.
BosstonesOwn
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Re: IRC > *

said by ircisnotanon:
>>>As to the title, IRC has a huge advantage on all current p2p programs, the anonymity factor.

Not true at all. While some IRC networks do not show your IP or censor the end of it, if you are downloading (via dcc) from another computer your IP IS KNOWN! You never know who you are downloading from and they do have your IP.

But i believe by law once they offer it up for aa download whether it be via DCC IRC or what ever form of downloading there is they lose the rights to complain about it and sue since technically they are the holder of the copyright and they are the one allowing it to be uploaded.

Would sort of be like the pot calling the kettle black.

b34tBoX
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said by AdamB0:
"IRC > *" is a great example of pompous attitude...

I use both IRC and BitTorrent quite regularly and together I get what I want. Kazaa was nice for like single mp3s, but not much else.

It's also good for porn!

Centrilium
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IRC requires you to beg for uploads,wait for queues.BT and Kazaa Lite doesn't have long queues and can hit near max speeds almost instantly if there is sufficient upload bandwidth.

I'm a BT supporter.Yeah!

Doctor Four
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Re: IRC > *

That's where newsgroups come in handy. Speed is always
maxed out, no queueing (except maybe locally on a user's
machine - most Usenet providers limit the number of
simultaneous connections), and no waiting a long time to
get what you want. Plus, you can leech all you want, and
not worry about the riaa, mpaa or bsa (unless you upload
copyrighted material of theirs using your ISP's news
server).

AnonMan
@verizon.net

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Re: IRC > *

shhhh don't tell anyone

ssj4android
Redefining Reality
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It's not free though. A lot of the time at least.

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yes IF there is sufficient bandwidth...... which there rarely is... it takes me usually more than 30 mins to get an OK speed on BT (more than 100k) and that just sucks.... id rather be in a xdcc queue for 20 mins and get 200k+ right off the bat

F walker
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"It's surprising that the RIAA has not applied much legal pressure on the increasing number of torrent related websites that direct users toward pirated software, films, and music."

They will now..... I can't believe that so many people, most if whom are illegally trading files via P2P networks, keep posting about, touting, and otherwise giving press to these networks that work best if kept somewhat under wraps...... I guess it is good for the RIAA and MPAA that no one will just shut up and down/upload files quietly.......

ssj4android
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Re: IRC > *

Good thing I use DC hubs. It would be hard for the RIAA to even get into one.
jeraden
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Everytime I've tried IRC it was an exercise in futility. The file server bots had huge queues which would take about half a day to finally get into a position where you could download something. And if it was a larger file that was split up into pieces, you could only queue maybe 3 of the 30 pieces at one time making it ridiculous to even bother trying to get a whole file. I admit I'm a n00b when it comes to IRC. Am I missing something or am I just on junky channels and lack the inside connections to find good channels?

b34tBoX
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Re: IRC > *

Sorry, you're just a n00b!

hamburglar
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I have no trouble getting what I look for 9/10 times on IRC. You have to spend more than 30 seconds with it to realize how great it really is.

clorets
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dont use bt for much but small things like music videos.
usenet will always be my daddy

l33t
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IRC is useful for Internet Relay Chat nothing else.

rchandra
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lamentable

BT seems to me to be such a good system, and distributes some of my favorite (and perfectly legitimate) things...like Fedora Core. I'd hate to see some entity like the {RI,MP}AA squash BT and take down FC as collateral damage.
BosstonesOwn
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Re: lamentable

said by rchandra:
BT seems to me to be such a good system, and distributes some of my favorite (and perfectly legitimate) things...like Fedora Core. I'd hate to see some entity like the {RI,MP}AA squash BT and take down FC as collateral damage.

They would just shut down the servers setting up the downloads for illegal materials. I don't think many who are downloading movies and mp3's off it are using it to download Linux too. But I can be wrong there.

steelgaze
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Just wait

Just wait until the RIAA/MPAA(sp?) Start targeting BT more. Then people are going to star coming here and complaining and be like, "OMG, how'd they get my IP man?" sorta like the stuff going on with comcast and there letters they send out.

I personally hate going on BT, it's much more public then I want it to be, but then again it's like most P2P clients, they need to broadcast your IP so you can receive the file.

If you're going to pirate, at least take into consideration you might get caught.

stateq2
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Re: Just wait

said by steelgaze:
If you're going to pirate, at least take into consideration you might get caught.
I'll never get caught :p

weeeman
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Irc is the best hands down. Thank God alot of people dont know how to use it. Let's keep it like that =]

Yowzaaah
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May be a silly question....but

Can BT be socksified to work through a SOCKS 4/5 Proxy? I haven't seen anyone mention this approach and thought it could work.
mnaber
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Re: May be a silly question....but

Definitely not if everyone were to do it. But for just one person yes.

Yowzaaah
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Re: May be a silly question....but

Okay, I'm the one...now the rest of you bastards pretend you didn't see this.
madrhino
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It's my ball and you can't play

It is true that there is a "I was here first go away" attitude on IRC.KInd of like the NIMBY thing.

steelgaze
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Re: It's my ball and you can't play

It isn't that type of attitude I would say goes on on IRC, but I wouldn't recommend people go on it, especially newbies.

alamarco
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IRC pwns BT

IRC is good, especially for people that leech (hint, hint @ Suprnova.org). All you do is download, unless you create an fserv for a channel. If your in a country like Canada then you can't get into any legal action since your just downloading and not uploading.

BT is too easy to get caught. You can just hit advanced (I think it's that button) and you'll see a list of IP's that your connected to. The RIAA, MPAA, etc. just need to go on BT and hit that button take a screenshot and they got a bunch of people they can sue. Couldn't be any easier for them. BT has no anonymity at all.

Mentiroso
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Never worked well for me

As I have mentioned a couple of other times, I could never get bit torrent to work well for me. 98% of the time the download were ultra slow or did not finish at all. I tried tons of different files and it just sucked! IRC was always more succesful and faster.

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NYR 56
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Don't Use BT for Music

I've been using BT (with Shareaza) and it sucks for music. Which may be a good thing. You don't get sued for Games/Apps so it's great for that. For music, I'll grab that single song off of Piolet.

Chump6
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BT

BT best use is for porn. plenty of it, and alot better junk then of kazza and such

reub2000
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Re: BT

No, it's best use is for distributing Linux distributions on the first day they come out. Usually when a real popular Linux distribution is released, ftp mirrors are overloaded. BT on the other hand thrives on all this traffic. Though, sometimes it so much the tracker can't handle it.

Chump6
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Re: BT

thats just another good purpose

whamel
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It's surprising...

...how many people use bit torrent now. I use it to get live Dave Matthews Band shows via bt.etree.org and the use of this site is just massive. I have alos looked into other torrent sites, like suprnova.org and see that they have movies, applications, music, etc and there literally *thousands* of leechers for movies and music with *hundereds* of seeders. It is pretty crazy, but the worst part is the lack of anoninmity (sp?). We'll see where the MPAA and RIAA tke their course of action against these users.
-Bill

rstrandb
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They'll be targeted next

With bittorrent you are forced to share files, thereby making it easier for the RIAA. Most people shy away from IRC because it looks too complicated....Fairly easy once you learn the rules of the game.

zemus
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usenet

go on usenet. irc is for fills only i think. i mean how desparate are you to get 0 day stuff. wait a day and it'll be on usenet. full speed no waiting on queues. i only use irc when i need a fill. and with par2's that's rarely neccessary. oh no ip logging by the 'uploader' on usenet, unlike irc and bt, where the uploader can see the ip of the person downloading. I don't know about you ppl, but I just downloaded 27 gigs (dvd's) in the last 24 hours. my downstream is 3Mbs (around 350 KiloBytes per second). Giving that limit when was the last time u did 27 gigs on bt in 24 hours.. irc cant even come close to that.

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Tzale
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I like BT, BUT.......

I love BT, it's awesome. I downloaded 55 GB in 2 days. The only problem is I got a letter from the MPAA 8 days later. BT is not safe, it'll take the RIAA or MPAA seconds to find out your IP, and report you to your ISP. Followed by possible lawsuits. This is the reason why I now stick to IRC, it's almost 100% fool proof from the RIAA and MPAA.

-Tzale

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Re: I like BT, BUT.......

dont feel so safe.... sooner or later they'll infiltrate it and suppliers will go down... no suppliers means no leeching
Alphy
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Troy, MI

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Re: I like BT, BUT.......

Topsites 4 evar

DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
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IRC

I just downloaded Spiderman 2 the movie from an IRC server. Dident have any queue's and maxed my download. Uncompressing the archive now. w00t

dml_68
He Who Laughs Last Thinks Slowest.
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Usenet Binaries Groups

I reccomend you get yourself a good usenet provider if your ISP does not offer usenet or only holds a few days worth of messages per server. you can find EVERYTHING you could ever want in the alt.binaries groups. I use X-News and find it very useful. If there is something you want and don't see post a polite REQ: message and somone will post it.

jarablue
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Re: Usenet Binaries Groups

Usenet is by far the safest way to get stuff. Anything I ever wanted is on there.

KeepOnRockin
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Usenet


I love usenets. Comcast offers a subscription to some usenet (I think it's giganews) for 1GB a month free.

I may break down a pay a monthly fee for a good usenet someday. It will have to be fast and have a good collection of binaries (with good retention times too).

Any recommendations?

jarablue
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Re: Usenet

I use www.usenetserver.com . It gives you UNLIMITED downloads and 2meg per connection. I connect 6 times to the same server and always get my 6 megabit speed. It has 20 day retention and costs 14 bucks per month. I pay 40 for 3 months. There is nothing like dl'ing at 6 megabit for whatever you want. Very good service in my opinion. I have been using them for awhile now. 94% completion rate and good retention. If you are into downloading alot of stuff I think this is by far the best usenet provider.

Actually the retention is going up to 24 days. So that makes it even better.

tadmaz29
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Mount Prospect, IL

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yea buy

I got one of those letters from my ISP. I think they packet sniffed me and I was using IRC. I rarely use bittorrent but I guess it's possible that's how they "got me." Nevertheless, no one is safe, no matter what you use.

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Wasn't BT designed to be easy to track?

I actually find it a little funny that people are using BT to trade illegal files. Why? Because my understanding is that BT was specifically DESIGNED to be "easy to track"! So anyone using BT to trade illegal files, is essentially putting a bulls-eye on their backs, and saying "here I am, come and get me"!

Yes, BT is apparently a well functioning P2P system. But I seem to recall that the original authors of BT planned for it to be for "legal content", and therefor designed it to be easy to track the IPs involved. This "easy tracking" is fine when you are sharing legal content (Linux ISOs for example), but it strikes me as being rather "foolish" for someone to use an "easy to track system" to trade illegal content (it's almost like asking the authorities to come knocking at your door)....

NOTE: There is still a LOT of "legal content" being distributed by BT. For example, a co-worker of mine frequently uses BT to get the latest Linux ISO images (instead of hitting overloaded FTP sites). And many people still use BT to distribute their own multi-media creations (for example, the video serial "Red vs Blue" is legally distributed "for free" on BT, by the owners/creators of those videos).
B04
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Re: Wasn't BT designed to be easy to track?

Right, right, and right! I have nothing else to add.

The move towards BitTorrent almost defines the word "fad" -- a mass movement for no legitimate reason other than trendiness/word-of-mouth. And it's self-fulfilling -- because more people flock to BT, there are more media choices (and more "seeds") and BT works better, so then more people flock to BT...

Of course, no one really cared about their privacy or the security of their own files when they all started wildly jumping on the first Napster bandwagon...

-- B
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nerdling301
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oh man ricers i love it

aaahahaha mIRCers=RICers i LOVE IT AAAHAHAHAH
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