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Uploading in a download-centric world
(old news - 06:32PM Thursday Jul 15 2004)
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Technology Review Magazine knows what most broadband users want, and it isn't a snazzy new flash heavy broadband-centric web portal. As our past polls have indicated, a large chunk of broadband users are interested in either faster upstream speeds or price reductions, neither of which they're getting (unless you bundle). With VoIP seeing increased popularity, providers are eking the standard upstream speed toward 384kbps, but many users simply want more. The article takes a look at what's preventing providers from offering these speeds, and makes a critical point: "Despite the TV-centric strategies of some broadband executives, the Internet is not just a broadcast medium; it’s a communications medium."

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Gbcue
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SBC

SBC promised higher uploads. Still hasn't been delivered to my RT.

brandon3003

join:2003-07-01
San Antonio, TX

Re: SBC

Mine either...

KyleC
Nikon Guy
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Re: SBC

said by brandon3003 See Profile:
Mine either...

mine either....
mythology

join:2002-10-16
Seneca, SC
While you guys are whining about slow upload there are still millions of people that CANT get broadband

nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA

Re: SBC

Sucks to be them. I can't have a real yard. We all make compromises.

-tom

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said by mythology See Profile:
While you guys are whining about slow upload there are still millions of people that CANT get broadband

And who is to blame for this? Mostly the companies that overcharge and short change us now. Many companies still aren't competing in a true sense. My ISP Insight is a good example of this. While DSL providers in there service areas have lowered prices and raised speeds. Insight still charges $79.95 a month ( $69.95 in some cases ) for 3000/384 service. Lets not even get into how other countries and OOL provide a heck of a lot more speed for much less. This great nation of ours is supposed to be the most technically advanced. Yet we can't get as fast a speed as communist and socialist countries. Some of which are supposed to be less technically hip than us.
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blackjeep

join:2001-07-12
Atlanta, GA

Re: SBC

its called free enterprise. if they are only ones in the area, you have only one other choice, and that is to not have broadband. if they have competition, then you have a choice to leave them for another provider. if enough people exodus to a cheaper provider, they should get the hint, or go the way of the dodo.

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said by mythology See Profile:
While you guys are whining about slow upload there are still millions of people that CANT get broadband
They can't move?
bored_in_nh

join:2003-01-04
Stamping Ground, KY
·RoadRunner Cable

Re: SBC

Unless they get terribly lucky, no. I couldn't afford cable TV back when I lived in KY 16 years ago. I moved north when as luck would have it, I didn't have to spend my entire tax refund on back owed rent. I got in on the very start of the internet boom, and now am back in KY again ... this time with a whole lot more earning potential.

Many of the folks that were here when I left are still here now, still in the same boat financially. In lots of the south, it's a 2 class system. You either own stuff and make lots of money, or work for $4.55/hr for those folks. You just wouldn't understand this, living in California. Down here it's a whole different world.
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Re: SBC

said by bored_in_nh See Profile:
In lots of the south, it's a 2 class system. You either own stuff and make lots of money, or work for $4.55/hr for those folks. You just wouldn't understand this, living in California. Down here it's a whole different world.
It's the same all over. I've personally made it a priority when choosing where to live that it have broadband access. That's a "feature" or a poperty as much as a good location or a nice view. I don't understand the concept of having sympathy for people who can't get broadband; that's like expecting sympathy for people who choose a long commute or near a freeway. Everything in life is a compromise, and our lives are a result of the choices and compomises we make.

insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
How high of an upload? I'm at 384k.

Gbcue
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Re: SBC

Standard packages are supposed to have 256k.

nixen
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said by insomniac84 See Profile:
How high of an upload? I'm at 384k.

Hmm... 768K up and I still want more.

-tom
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insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

Re: SBC

at purdue university in the dorms one gets 5mbit down and up.

KeepOnRockin
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Re: SBC

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
at purdue university in the dorms one gets 5mbit down and up.

Gotta love those T3 lines

nixen
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said by insomniac84 See Profile:
at purdue university in the dorms one gets 5mbit down and up.

That's all? Damn... You're getting hosed. When I went to Penn State *88-92), we got 10Mbps up/down, as our dorms were on true Ethernet. I imagine they get at least 100Mbps, now, as they were fully fibre-izing the campus a little while after I graduated.

-tom
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"There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't."
"That's only 2 types of people, moron"

insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

Re: SBC

I don't understand the true ethernet comment, as I don't understand the concept of fake ethernet. The speed of the port in a dorm has nothing to do with how much bandwith a school has. For all we know purdue could have an OC-384 and Penn could have 1 T3. A network port is only going to be a limiting factor if you max it out. Since 5-6mbps is not 10mbps, obviously 100mbps would make no difference. Considering at all times of the day download speeds were consistent, I wouldn't say we got hosed. I would suck if everyone was unrestricted on gigabit, since that would most likely saturate the school's internet pipe and give everyone slower speeds and high pings.

nixen
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Re: SBC

Not that any of this is germane to the topic at hand...

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
I don't understand the true ethernet comment, as I don't understand the concept of fake ethernet. The speed of the port in a dorm has nothing to do with how much bandwith a school has.
True as in full line-speed not some policy imposed fraction thereof.

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
For all we know purdue could have an OC-384 and Penn
Given that you mention Purdue, which is another Big Ten school, you should know that it's Penn State and not Penn. They are two different schools. The former is a large, state-funded (hence the "State" in the name) university system with campuses all over the state of Pennsylvania; the latter is a private college in Philadelphia with a well-known and highly respected business school.

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
could have 1 T3.
Possibly ...at one of the satellite campuses.

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
A network port is only going to be a limiting factor if you max it out. Since 5-6mbps is not 10mbps, obviously 100mbps would make no difference.
That's kind of an opaque statement. If you don't have port limit policies in place - i.e., you are allowed to speak line speed - it can make a real difference whether your network backbone supports 10Mbps or 100Mbps or higher speeds.

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
Considering at all times of the day download speeds were consistent, I wouldn't say we got hosed. I would suck if everyone was unrestricted on gigabit, since that would most likely saturate the school's internet pipe and give everyone slower speeds and high pings.
So, if everyone WAS unrestricted, everyone would be making 24/7 max bandwidth requests out to the Internet at large? And, if they weren't restricted, everyone would get LESS than 5Mbps? So, Purdue is a single broadcast domain and doesn't make use of a switched topology? Interesting. So, no-one at Purdue uses the Campus Area Network (CAN) to speak to other nodes on the CAN? No-one makes use of the campus central computers from their dorm rooms? If so, that would be a rather interesting utilization pattern.

I dunno. I tend to think the number of students that would be fully utilizing their in-room connections for a significant portion of the days is rather small. At large institutions, like Purdue, there are a TON of other things to do instead of sitting on a computer all day: football games and other sporting events (I thought that Purdue has had some fairly decent sports teams over the years) to attend or take part in, fraternity and other parties, etc. I admit that the college experience may have changed radically since I graduated. However, I still gotta think that most students are still out, away from computers, trying to get drunk, get laid and have fun. So, said students aren't sitting there just saturating the network on a regular basis.

-tom
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"There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't."
"That's only 2 types of people, moron"

insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN

Re: SBC

Your pathetic. What cares about the difference between penn and penn state. Of course their is a ton of shit to do. I was just trying to say that the dorm port doesn't mean shit, unless you are transferring between two points on purdue's campus. Then 10mbit sucks. But since most people who are maxing out their connections are downloading from the internet, 100mbit ports would not affect the majority of students. Also what is this so called interesting utilization pattern. Also I like how you used CAN as if thats an intricate term.
I would also like to point out that IU is 1 and Purdue is 2 in the most wireless campuses in the country(Every inch of both campuses is wireless). You can bash them all you want, but their network is a hell of a lot better than penns.

nixen
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said by insomniac84 See Profile:
Your pathetic. What cares about the difference between penn and penn state.
No, what's pathetic is your fundamental inability to differentiate between two entirely different things, then get angered when your shortcomings are pointed out to you.

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
Of course their is a ton of shit to do. I was just trying to say that the dorm port doesn't mean shit, unless you are transferring between two points on purdue's campus. Then 10mbit sucks. But since most people who are maxing out their connections are downloading from the internet, 100mbit ports would not affect the majority of students.
Wow. A correct statement from you... But yes, you are right, it wouldn't effect the majority of students because the majority of students aren't spending their time maxing out their connection to the internet. Normal college students are out doing other things.

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
Also what is this so called interesting utilization pattern. Also I like how you used CAN as if thats an intricate term.
It might be intricate for you. If so, I suggest you do some extended reading on the subject. A good starting point would be here (in particular, see definition #1).

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
I would also like to point out that IU is 1 and Purdue is 2 in the most wireless campuses in the country
Yes, because wireless penetration is definitely the definition of technology.

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
(Every inch of both campuses is wireless).
Both campuses? As in IU has one campus and Purdue has one campus? I was under the impression that Purdue consisted of more than one campus? Or, do the other campuses simply not count?

said by insomniac84 See Profile:
You can bash them all you want, but their network is a hell of a lot better than penns.
Well, unless you have full access to the infrastructure maps for both Purdue and U Penn (since you keep saying "Penn") or Penn State, I'm not really sure how you can make such an unqualified statement.

-tom
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"There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't."
"That's only 2 types of people, moron"

DOStradamus
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Santa Rosa, CA

I've got DSL over an "SBC" DSL circuit, with SONIC.net as my ISP. ASI (the "ISP-neutral" SBC company that sells the circuits), had a promo a few months back for their 6000/608 tier, $45/month (that they charge your ISP) for a 1-year term.

It tests regularly at 5M/500 using the tools here.:D

As far as real-world usefulness of that tier is concerned, the only place I notice the extra 3.5M downspeed is when I'm downloading from kernel.org -- I get my linux ISO images from there noticably faster than anywhere else!

Load times for a testpage (including a bunch o' JPEGs) served from my ISP's servers, and my server (in my office),
don't seem to differ that much from any third location. I now only store *really big* images at my ISP.

Ideally for me, would be a "poor man's T1" tier -- 1500/1500 or even 1500/1200, I would gladly give up all the incoming bandwidth over 1.5m for another 500K or so going out!

Anonymous_
Anonymous
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haha i got my higher upload with them a few days a go the upload went from 128k to 256k
underscore

join:2004-04-20
Fairfax, VA

COX

Cox stuck me with 192 for almost four years until I got a massive upgrade to 256 a few months ago

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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Hercules, CA
·Comcast

Well, DUH!

We keep getting strung along by the BS news items, saying Xmbps/Xmbps will soon be here... and?

Let me know when they get thier collective heads out of their asses, and have something I can actually get!

Where's this fiber I keep hearing about? Where's the crazy speeds my cable is supposed to support? Uh huh.

If I want to send anything LARGE, 256k ain't cutting it. This "New Tier" Comcast is offering is a joke. BFD! 384k Upload? OOOooo!

I want some fiber in my internet diet!
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rideboarder
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Re: Well, DUH!

Even Verizon managed to give it's users 384k upload!

panth1
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Boca Raton, FL

Re: Well, DUH!

Maybe Verizon should share with the other ILECS how they managed to "move" their central offices. Maybe this time they will move them closer to the customers.

Lordlod
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I agree that it has been slow for Fiber development. But in retrospect, the Copper roll out wasn't the quick either to come in the early half of last century. So hopefully instead of a century to get DSL out to us, hopefully it will take until 2010 to have FTTx Developments in every corner of our great land. Cable has to step up competition, and needs to be the pioneers of Broadband, instead of just jolting it at a small capacity. I'm waiting for Broadband Utopia!
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LBDSL
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Auburn Hills, MI

768k upload

This was the #1 reason We launched 3 ADSL packages with 768k upload.

Back in Feb, we asked »What would you like ADSL prices to be?

People wanted faster upload, so May 1st, we launched faster speeds.
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Smokey
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Va Beach
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Re: 768k upload

Now if you only could do that with Qworst here in AZ!!

LBDSL
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Re: 768k upload

We do offer that in a few cities in AZ »lbdsl.com/availability/AZ.html

We offer the ADSL 768k upload packages in 30+ states.
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Smokey
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Re: K upload

unfortunately, I'm too far from our main, or second CO. Can you offer it through an RT??
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LBDSL
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Re: K upload

Unfortunately, Qwest doesn't give us access to their RT's. In fact the ONLY ILEC to allow us use of a RT, is SBC.
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Smokey
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Re: K upload

DAMN QWORST!!

I kinda figured.

As a side note, can you offer the 6.0/786 from the co?? My family business is with in range of the co.
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LBDSL
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Re: K upload

Yes, as long as you are within 12,000 wire feet from a CO, we offer service from.

PM me the phone, and address info, and I can pre-qual the location for you.
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KeepOnRockin
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256k

That's what my upstream is.

If I want to upload significantly faster, I'll have to plunk down $800+ a month for a T1.

The Comcast 4000/384 package is available to me if I paid an extra $10 a month and switched to their "Home Networking" service, but the speed increase is not significant.

Broadband in some other countries give their users multi-megabit upstream in addition to the multi-megabit downstream.

Wasn't it Korea that had something like 50+ megabit DSL?

Matt
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·North State Commun..

768Kbps-2Mbps

I have SDSL, 768Kbps at work, a 2Mbps x 2Mbps Cable connection at work and 384Kbps at home.

Let me tell you, 768Kbps is sweet, 2Mbps, right now, to me, is the Holy Grail.

When I RDP into my home machine at 384Kbps, it's slow, painful and extremely laggy (VNC is even worse).

When I RDP into the machines connected to our SDSL at 768Kbps, it's MUCH more bareable, but I still experience the occasional slowdown.

When I RDP into the machine connected to the 2Mbps line, HOLY! It's like I'm sitting at the machine.

I hope the cable companies don't try to appease us with a measly 512Kbps upload, (had it during the "brief" RR Xtreme trials and it's nothing worth mentioning), we need a full 1Mbps in my not so humble opinion.
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jarablue
Always be true to yourself

join:2001-06-11
Worcester, MA

All talk and no action

All these companies are talk. Maybe in another 10 years Verizon will get off it's ass and give me more then the 144/144 dsl I qualify for now. Supposedly 5 years ago my area was going to be upgraded. Yeah...5 YEARS ago. But yet they are deploying fiber? We'll see these speeds, that is when it's profitable for the companies to allow us to see them. Bullshit.

Devanchya
Smile
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Re: All talk and no action

Why is American Upload stuck so low? I mean, up here in the Frozen North, both Sympatico and Rogers offer at least 800kbps (640ish real life) upload... It's not going any higher right now due to hardware limits... but ADSL supose to have a 8down 1 up limit...

totamak
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Los Angeles, CA

Re: All talk and no action

to discourage servers
bored_in_nh

join:2003-01-04
Stamping Ground, KY
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Why? Because America has such stellar phone companies, great service oriented cable companies, honest politicians, clean water and air, low taxes, beautiful cities, streets paved in gold, and free kauphy for everyone! MUAHAHAHAHA!
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DotDitDot

@trw.com
You only get 144/144 in Worcester? Are you actually in Worcester, or around Worcester? When I lived in Worcester (on Park Ave, by WPI), I actually got the 768/128 when it was the fastest Verizon was offering then...

KeepOnRockin
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·Comcast

No VOIP Here

said by from article:

Then start piling on the applications: Voice over IP, for example, requires 40 to 90 kilobits per second per call. For a VoIP conversation in which both parties are simultaneously accessing the Internet over a shared, home-networked connection, even a typical 200 kilobits per second back channel may not suffice. “If you can’t perform data access at the same time [as using VoIP] then there’s no real advantage to using it,” says Pierce.

I don't even have 40 kilobits per second, let alone 90. I guess with my current plan, I won't be using much VOIP

(not like I ever did in the first place, but it could be useful someday).
cahiatt
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·dock.net

You want upload?

Check out the MCI or Covad resellers. I have 1500/768 ADSL w/ static IP and true bridged connection through Britsys.net for $36 a month. I think the current 18 month contract price is about $49 a month paying month to month or $43 a month if you pre-pay a certain term. That's probably cheaper than most of your local providers too.

dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA

Re: You want upload?

The only thing Covad has for me is $199.00 per month! For 384k SDSL... NOT!

JohnInSJ
Premium
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San Jose, CA

SBC *had* 608k up...

Along with the 6M down, back in january/feb. Lots of people grabbed it via SBC, DSLExtreme, Sonic, etc.

608k is pretty darn close to being good enough. 1M+ up would be spiffy, but I'll take what I can get.

DOStradamus
MVM
join:2003-11-04
Santa Rosa, CA

Re: SBC *had* 608k up...

All the indy's partnered with SBC could offer the same deal.

How far are you from CO or RT? I'm 5 short blocks away, that I can walk in 5 minutes.

A by Distance from DSLAM report for the speed tests, using an entered "honest guess" would be a Nice Thing, and while I'm dreaming, group by BW tier.

Ever test your 6M/608 here?

JohnInSJ
Premium
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San Jose, CA

Re: SBC *had* 608k up...

I'm with sonic too (4k feet from my RT) - I test out at 5M/520k. Shweeet.
Kkrunch

join:2001-09-03
Puyallup, WA

1 edit

DSL Qwest 1.5 down, 1 up

It is sweet. DSL, reasonable price, no Comcast. Had it since Jan, upgrade from 640 / 256 DSL, same price.
Brisk
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Colorado Springs, CO
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Re: DSL Qwest 1.5 down, 1 up

Qwest is the first to truely come to it's senses with the upload speeds.
Upstream is the reason I dropped Covad and their 128K "What me worry? (Insert Alfred E. Newman here)" opinion on upload.

Download isn't everything, and it's unfortunate that most consumers don't realize what a ride they're being taken for.
So sick of Adelphia's "Faster than DSL" ads when their uploads don't even come close. Yet consumers will take the download bait because that's all they see.

TheMadSwede
Premium
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Holland, MI
·Charter Pipeline

Who cares about Korea?

If I hear one more person wonder why the US can't have higher speeds because Korea does, I'm going to scream (don't bother replying, it's just a figure of speech).

Who fricking cares what Japan and Korea can do? What's available to me?
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gwion
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A good analysis, but misses a MAJOR point...

... that being that, due to the nature of TCP-IP communications, you simply can not support a 3, 6, more meg downstream pipeline on a 128k upstream pipe. Period.

I can affirm from our experience in the Verizon forum that uploads ARE critical to the more tech-savvy users, and it's not always because they want to do a lot of "uploading." They game, use their connection for business... sure, they have a lot of legitimate uses for actual "uploading," but a lot are just looking for a "reasonable" ratio upstream for their download speeds.

... and the remaining question, what do people upload? As I've already noted in Verizon... every e-mail attachment, every photo you want to share, here, in Digital Imaging... every attachment you make to your posts... not to mention a lawyer, for example, who needs to get the closing documents to the realtor by 7 am. from home, every architect who needs to work on a large DXF file at home, then get it back to the office or the client... it most assuredly isn't just P2P and filesharing and gamers; this is about the future of the internet. Those screaming downloads, moreover, are around at the level, now, where most users will never (at current tech levels - remember, VOIP, new technologies, and so forth, will place new demands as time goes by, but for the moment, anyway) fill their downstream pipeline - but they might suffer performance lags, because of delays created by a narrow upstream pipeline. And they'll never fully realize the potential those screaming wide open DL's can offer. Nor will they ever realize the full potential of this great new communications medium, if we treat it as a broadcast medium, instead of what it is... no more or less than a pure communications medium. We need another "broadcast" medium like we need a drain plug in the hull of a dingy. But the internet's promise lies in the fact that it's by design a two way interactive medium that can be used as the user needs to use it.
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dave
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not in ohio
·Verizon Online DSL
·Verizon FIOS

Re: A good analysis, but misses a MAJOR point...

I hate the words "downloading" and "uploading", they have nothing to do with what I'm doing right now, which is sitting here at midnight working (don't ask). I've got a bunch of Xterms up to various computers in the office, a window in to the bugs database, an open editor running locally from which I sometimes save back to disks at work, and this web browser open at DSLR. What's all this "up" and "down" crap?

"Upload" and "download" are terms better suited to some nasty IBM mainframe-centred world (that I thought died in the 1980s).

More to the point, if you call inbound (inbound to the ISP's network) speeds "upload speeds", its true nature is obscured -- which is to say, as gwion points out, you need decent inbound speeds to support moving data outbound.

Jester27972

@fsr.net

Wireless usually offers pretty good Upload

I have awesome upload with fixed wireless. @ 8meg down and 4meg up.

g3ddylee

join:2002-12-09
Lincoln Park, NJ

Re: Wireless usually offers pretty good Upload

Oh yeah, how much you pay for it?

FrankL6
Purity Of Essence

join:2002-07-01
Algonquin, IL

no complaints here

2004-07-15 19:30:58 EST: 4962 / 5556
Your download speed : 5081275 bps, or 4962 kbps.
A 620.2 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 5689900 bps, or 5556 kbps.


Fiber is not the only answer. I'm getting around 5 mbps up and down using my wireless connection, right here in the good old USA (Chicago suburbs).:)

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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime

join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME

We should get more upstream!

I've often wondered why many providers don't give us the full upstream potential of the existing ways to connect to the internet. Cable for instance can at least do 2MBPS upload, so why not offer a package like that? The internet is a multi purpose tool and everyone uses it differently. While some users just use the internet to check email and browse a web page now and then, and chat with friends or the like, others like myself like to actually use their upstream direction of their connection for such things as high quality multi-user voice chats with ventrilo or real time audio streaming or any number of other things. So why may I ask are providers so willing to give us downstream bandwidth which by the way I have no problem with, yet hardly any want to let us enjoy the potential of a decent upstream connection of 768K or better? I'm fortunate enough to have 768K upload and I'm loving it, but my cable connection which only has 2 packages, the best they'll give their users is just 512K when it's capable of more? Let's show off what DSL and cable are really capable of and not just in the downstream direction! So far in the whole country I've found just 2 ISPS that you can use cable/dsl to it's fullest if desired. The DSL provider is gwi.net and only serves Maine I believe, and the cable provider is optimum online. I'll be shocked if any other providers offer uploads at or above the 800KBPs barrier!

uPl0Ad3r

@comcast.net

Why you don't get more upstream

When people DOWNLOAD they have to request the data (ie start a download, play a streaming video file, etc).

When people UPLOAD a lot of the time its unattended (P2P, uploading to friends, etc).

If you download a 50mb file on a 3mbit line, it takes only a few minutes. Then share it back out @ 3mbit on P2P and you can upload over 30 gigs in 24 hours. One of these two actions uses a lot more resources, guess which one?

All consumer broadband is OVERSOLD. That means even though your line may be rated at X-mbit, only a small fraction of users are actually using bandwidth. This ratio is commonly 1/20 (1mbit backbone for every 20mbit sold to consumers) and even can be up to 1/50 in some places.

So mix 3mbit upload, with P2P and warez monkeys and all of a sudden that T3 can only handle 15 users! Considering that kind of connection costs $10-15K/month, someone's gonna lose $$
kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime

join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME

Re: Why you don't get more upstream

Well when I do want to send a file I just downloaded to a friend of mine I find myself uploading it to a friend's colocated server that is sitting on a 10MBPs semetrical connection, then uploading the file from there to my friend so he can get it at his max connection speed, not mine. Let's face it we do more on the internet then we did even 5 years ago. Of course faster upload will be used in part for p2p file sharing and related activities, I won't deny that at all, but does that mean we should never get the chance to see what else can be done with decent upload? we can do high quality internet broadcasts, or high quality real time voice chat to name a couple things. and if we ever want to do real time audio/video conferencing and have it be a decent quality audio and video that'll require decent upstream as well. Even latency will be a bit better. When I went from 128K upload to 768K upload, which is what I have now, my ping time to most sites went down nearly 7 miliseconds. Now that's probably not a big deal but who knows. Just my thoughts. I got 768K up the best I can get, so that I can use anything from p2p apps to being able to stream nice high quality audio and it works well. all I'm saying is if this technology can potentially do better than we currently get in the upstream direction then prove it! The reason downloads at least in p2p cases don't max bandwidth is obvious, you're downloading from users who's max upload is 128-384K and it would take several users at that speed to even max a 1.5MBit line. It's just amazing to me that most providers are more than willing to let us receive data at very decent speeds, but to send data, regardless of the type of data or purpose, we get hardly anything. OK enough ranting from me, I'll go back to enjoying my 768K upstream and my 6MBit download.

jonnyz
Premium
join:2003-03-20
Canfield, OH
clubs:
·Armstrong Zoom In..

Re: We should get more upstream!

said by kd6cae See Profile:
Cable for instance can at least do 2MBPS upload

Actually, 5 MBPS. My cable ISP offers a 10 MBPS/5 MBPS business package with no caps for $350/mo.
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ssj4android
Redefining Reality

join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI

384? Better than the current 256

Seems like the current standard upload is 256. Even an increase to 384 would rock.

g3ddylee

join:2002-12-09
Lincoln Park, NJ

Speed not a big problem

Hmm...as of right now I'm pretty damned happy with my 9855/906 with optonline for $40/month... The no-server rule can get in the way though.

However, DSL upstream speeds are a joke nationwide; I mean, come on, 128k, 256k? Maybe I'm just spoiled with my optonline.

ssj4android
Redefining Reality

join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI

Re: Speed not a big problem

said by g3ddylee See Profile:
Maybe I'm just spoiled with my optonline.
Yes, you are.

bigdaddy17

join:2003-05-08
Miami, FL

Re: Speed not a big problem

wtf u guys whining about im stuck with 256 and I want more!

BOGBS
Premium
join:2004-05-11
Saco, ME
·RoadRunner Cable


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Re: Speed not a big problem

i'm definitely not whining. I get 700 kbits on my upload on DSL. Get about 7 mbps on the downstream, but the up is nice. VNC works great on that, although not as good as on the LAN obviously.

I'll be moving in 2 months, and maybe I'll get 1024. As long as I can get 512 kbps I'm happy.

And the whole servers allowed with my ISP makes me happy. If only they were outside of Maine and New Hampshire.

techie
Premium
join:2003-06-18
Canada
clubs:
·Cogeco Cable
·Rogers Hi-Speed

said by g3ddylee See Profile:
Hmm...as of right now I'm pretty damned happy with my 9855/906 with optonline for $40/month... The no-server rule can get in the way though.

However, DSL upstream speeds are a joke nationwide; I mean, come on, 128k, 256k? Maybe I'm just spoiled with my optonline.

If it wasn't for PPPoE, at my current DSL sync rate, I'd be getting 800 upload.
TrustedZero

join:2001-08-25
Claremont, CA

Clarify

In the article it says, " In other words, you’re likely to run into the 3-megabit-per-second cap about as often as hitting 120 miles per hour on the freeway."

Can someone clarify what that means. I'm a bit confused.

fatmanskinny
Premium
join:2004-01-04
Wandering
·Comcast Digital Vo..
·Comcast

I second that motion.....

Would love more upload speed. I wish there was an option to customize bandwidth. For example, you can by a 2 Megabit connection and customize anyway you choose. 1000k down / 1000k up. 500k down / 1500k up or 1k down / 1999k up.
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kmac1
Off in new directions
Premium,VIP
join:2001-06-07
Port Neches, TX

SBC will be having higher uploads soon!!!

One of my jobs here at BBR, besides doing Tech support, is to analyze current trends and bring them back to the company. Users have hounded our team relentlessly asking for higher uploads, and we kept reporting that back.

Well, we finally got thru!

I'm not allowed to list specifics yet, but I do promise customers will be pleased!

One of the things people have to keep in mind is that the push from end users for a higher upload is being driven by the file-sharing and gaming communities. Other than VoIP and some higher end Video Telecom apps, nothing else is really being pushed by a loss of bandwidth on the upload side AT THIS PRESENT TIME!

The next couple of years are going to be fun to watch as Content catches up with Technology. Then, we'll really see a push for speeds like some of the other countries are implementing. Can anyone say 100mbps FTTP?
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