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AT&T Eyeing BPL?
Powerline broadband trial with PG&E
(old news - 06:44PM Wednesday Jul 14 2004)
tags: alternatives · BPL
CNET reports that AT&T and Pacific Gas and Electric today engaged in a demonstration of broadband over power-line technology. Bell competitors like AT&T support the technology because they believe it could offer them a non-bell route to your home for VoIP, broadband, and other services. "But BPL still has problems", says CNET, noting that BPL "can be unreliable", and it's "still very expensive". The companies achieved speeds up to 3Mbps during the trial. We're guessing the companies didn't inform bystanders that early data suggests BPL interferes with nearby spectrum like a screaming digital incontinent wildebeest.

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Smokey
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When will they learn??

When will ATT learn?? They keep going in to BB areas only to fail, or lose money? They just don't seam to have a good grasp of what it takes.
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permalink · 2004-07-14 18:33:12 · Reply to this

Logan 5
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Yea....I thought this tech was DEAD!!

AT&T must be looking to regain market share in Broadband Service offerings that they all but abandoned long ago....

Guess their Strategic Advisor's for New Technology Acquisitions missed the memo(s) about BPL's problems.

Hope they don't deploy it anywhere near my area, as I like my 911 emergency calls to go through and reach their intended destinations without interruption.

When will people learn that while BPL holds great promise for the future, it's not viable right now, today, tomorrow, next week or even next year until they work out all the issues....period.

Just because THIS trial run may say AT&T/PG&E on it does not mean that it will be any more successful than all the failed tests that preceded this one.
permalink · 2004-07-14 18:38:39 · Print · Reply to this
hottboiinnc
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Re: Yea....I thought this tech was DEAD!!

One of my close friends works for PG&E in Fresno. I'll see if he knows anything different that what the story says. Although in Cinci Ohio (C&GE) they are doing BPL there as well.
permalink · 2004-07-14 19:01:14 · Reply to this
Nighttime

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 It will be viable about the same time they get the bugs work out of the Cat/Toast/Butter Anti-Gravity engine. Same principal of bending physical laws to get something that is improvable to work.

The idea of fibering a town or out to remote locations make a lot more sense than this. Kind of like delevering water via the power lines. Could do but makes no sense.
permalink · 2004-07-14 20:06:55 · Reply to this

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Re: Yea....I thought this tech was DEAD!!

said by Nighttime See Profile:
It will be viable about the same time they get the bugs work out of the Cat/Toast/Butter Anti-Gravity engine. Same principal of bending physical laws to get something that is improvable to work.
You mean they still haven't perfected that engine? I recall seeing that design ten years ago when it was first proposed.
permalink · 2004-07-14 20:22:16 · Print · Reply to this
Nighttime

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Re: Yea....I thought this tech was DEAD!!

The problem is when either the cat detects the butter or when the cat gets feed up.
permalink · 2004-07-14 21:15:39 · Reply to this

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said by Nighttime See Profile:
It will be viable about the same time they get the bugs work out of the Cat/Toast/Butter Anti-Gravity engine. Same principal of bending physical laws to get something that is improvable to work.

The idea of fibering a town or out to remote locations make a lot more sense than this. Kind of like delevering water via the power lines. Could do but makes no sense.
Well, if you talk to Professor Frink, you would realize the secret lies in the pickle matrix...
permalink · 2004-07-15 08:44:45 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: Yea....I thought this tech was DEAD!!

said by N3OGH See Profile:
Well, if you talk to Professor Frink, you would realize the secret lies in the pickle matrix...
Hah! SERIOUS scientists have long since debunked the pickle matrix theory. The only TRUE progress being made is with the laser/whipped cream combine. Plebian.
permalink · 2004-07-15 09:36:36 · Reply to this

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 BPL is not a failed technology, AT&T is a failing company. As for BPL's problems, only one 'poster child' complaint was filed resulting in the indefinite discontinuation of a VERY SMALL trial area, and that was only due to the fact that the BPL grid had drawn a line all the way around a ARO's broadcast site. Also the company investing failed to see the grid problems before trial roll-out, that's the whole purpose behind a TRIAL anyway for those who missed that definition while looking through the dictionary in Elementary School.

BPL is a viable communications medium that just needs the right grid to operate on and the right engineers fixing the problems as they roll out.
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permalink · 2004-07-15 12:23:02 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: Yea....I thought this tech was DEAD!!

said by ctceo See Profile:
BPL is not a failed technology
Really? Name one place where it is a working reality past the design or testing phase....

said by ctceo See Profile:
That's the whole purpose behind a TRIAL anyway for those who missed that definition while looking through the dictionary in Elementary School.
WOW!!! Could you find anymore ways to be an insulting troll than you already have?

I guess you were too busy *trying* to get your smart@$$ comments in to realize that I had said BPL IS a potentially viable technology, just not anytime soon until they fix the problems with it....

said by ctceo See Profile:
BPL is a viable communications medium that just needs the right grid to operate on and the right engineers fixing the problems as they roll out.
It's apparent that some of the most talented engineers have worked on the BPL issue and it's problems and SO FAR have failed to resolve any of the critical flaws because they just do not have the engineering knowledge or technology at this moment to make BPLs work as they originally envisioned it would.

Let's see them fix the frequency 'flooding' problem first, as currently there is no way this tech will ever be viable if something that is a critical part of a City's Infrastructure such as 911 and police/fire/disaster/emergency response is rendered inoperable by power line noise 'flooding' the frequency's that those departments use.

Again:
said by Logan 5:
When will people learn that while BPL holds great promise for the future, it's not viable right now, today, tomorrow, next week or even next year until they work out all the issues....period.

Just because THIS trial run may say AT&T/PG&E on it does not mean that it will be any more successful than all the failed tests that preceded this one.
permalink · 2004-07-15 15:13:41 · Print · Reply to this

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Why am I not suprised

AT&T as managed to loose it's share holders shirts on everything else, let's watch AT&T do it again. When are
the share holders going to learn.
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permalink · 2004-07-14 19:50:12 · Reply to this
jdir

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wouldnt it be cheaper

Wouldn't it be cheaper, faster and better if they just wire the city with fiber rather than trying all these scheme - then find out it has interference problems, distance, etc etc.

Just think - if they wired the city with fiber, they can offer 100Mbits to 10Gbits service without a truck roll.
permalink · 2004-07-14 19:59:11 · Reply to this
hottboiinnc
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Re: wouldnt it be cheaper

yah it would but its AT$T.
permalink · 2004-07-14 20:28:34 · Reply to this
Nighttime

join:2001-11-30		 Kind of like having a large freeway. It can transport more than broadband or phone, etc.
permalink · 2004-07-14 21:17:43 · Reply to this

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The STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard...

Instead of doing this crap with powerlines, why not just drop a fibre line?

WE WANT FIBRE!!

See: »100Mbps for $41?
Don't you feel jealous?
permalink · 2004-07-14 21:28:17 · Reply to this
hottboiinnc
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Re: The STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard...

because they want to spend and lose money. by trying to show off something at this time they know they cant. Fiber will make them money. And AT$T doesnt wanna do that.

They'll slowly close them selves or run them seleves in to Chapter 11
permalink · 2004-07-14 23:57:01 · Reply to this
persus491

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Re: The STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard...

when will ATT learn, the purchase of the northpoint assets which went to the toilet basically. They could not do anything with the DSLAMS and all other equipment already picking up dust. That is huge money wasted and now they are investing in BPL, come on now. Come one ATT people you have already the fiber optic cables bypassing people's homes and business underneath the ground. Why not route those fiber cables to people's home.;)
permalink · 2004-07-15 01:07:04 · Reply to this
hottboiinnc
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Re: The STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard...

They just could turn on the NorthPoint DSLAMS if they havent sold those. Which doesnt make sense is why they wholesale their DSL services from other companies when they already own alot of DSLAMS unless they sold them off or trashed them.
permalink · 2004-07-15 01:13:07 · Reply to this
stridr69

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P.G.$E.

Glad to know part of my monthly bill is pay'in for this "experiment".
And it's in Menlo Park, CA-I.E. "Silicon Valley".
More broadband options up there than you can shake a stick at.
permalink · 2004-08-07 23:19:57 · Reply to this
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