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| Re: Fun to guess this tells me that 75% are computer illiterate | |
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enOehT
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Norristown, PA | 25% seems low Only 25% ? Come on people, get with the game. lol  | |
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join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC
| Re: 25% seems low Only 25% have downloaded a feature length film. If you ask how many have downloaded a song illegally, that number goes way up. I think I saw somewhere last year that nearly 60% of all internet users (dial up included) had at one point downloaded a copyrighted work without permission. When the number gets that high, you have to wonder who's in the right. | |
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join:2002-01-25
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Only 25% ? Come on people, get with the game. lol
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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| They just make all these numbers up as they see fit.
Imagine the hoopla if some consumer group announced:
"Piracy Economic Impact way overblown: Less then 1% of total sales lost to Piracy".
Why, they'd be publically lambasted, blasted, criticized and screamed at.
Let the at the same time the Newswires, Stations and Congress will just accept any press release from the MPAA or RIAA on how "Piracy costs us 58 billion dollars last month in the US alone!" as if it was a fact.
I lot of companies would *love* to be in the position of being able to just report "losses" out of thin air. It's working, Congress keeps passing more and more draconian Copyright laws....
... Meanwhile sales and profits hit record highs. Piracy, indeed.
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| The study was performed in Australia, France, Germany, Italy, Korea, Japan, the U.K., and the U.S., and shows a direct correlation between broadband penetration and the incidence of piracy.  | |
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| You might want to read a followup article about this on THE REGISTER (theregister.co.uk)
Basically, the numbers are BS.
They polled only broadband users, in a few countries, and they required about 100 "downloaders" in each of the polled countries. Also the questions were created to get "yes" answers, like "have you ever downloaded a movie" - regardless of that movie being a cinema, a screener, a trailer, or a clip.
MPAA and their BS. | |
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click_310
Eat my shorts
join:2002-12-06
Savannah, GA
| So ? Well I guess I'll post here till Spider man 2 finishes downloading.
Ok 25% download movies but at least half those people end up buying the DVD when it comes out or at least watching it in the cinema... Am just lazy I'll watch the crappy cam print now and buy the DVD when it comes out. Oh... Any one wants to donate a shelf for my DVD's feel free - MPPA? | |
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Loveland, CO
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| Re: So ? Spiderman 2 pulled in $180.1M so far. Doesn't look like piracy is hurting that movie much.
»www.rottentomatoes.com/movies/box_office.php
Looking there all movies seem to be doing pretty well. MPAA keep trying cause I'm not feeling sorry for the studies and actors living the poor life yet. | |
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join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC | Re: So ? Ah, but according to the MPAA it should have been $360 million. Their last survey stated they lose slightly more than they earn due to global piracy. Anyone else buying that? | |
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127.0.0.1 | \ 69 percent of people online pirate music?
Good luck fighting that number, RIAA bastards. 
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| Re: \ said by 35375105 :
69 percent of people online pirate music?
If that's the case, how in the heck do we keep getting these loony laws to prevent music piracy? (not counting what the RIAA rapes us for if we buy it...there's something we need a law for.)
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join:2001-10-04
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The thief of today will be running our banks and governments tomorrow. Where will the safety net be then?
Where have you been hiding?
They already are running our banks, investment houses, cable firms, oil companies, etc. The list is almost endless. | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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| If this apparent theft is so rampant how come the movie industry is doing better than ever during this age of movie downloading? Just because someone downloads a movie it doesn't mean they will not go to the theater and see it on a big massive screen and killer sound. It also doesn't mean they won't plunk down the money on the DVD when it's released. It seems to me file sharing might be helping the industry instead of killing it. | |
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| Re: So what? said by SRFireside :
If this apparent theft is so rampant how come the movie industry is doing better than ever during this age of movie downloading? Just because someone downloads a movie it doesn't mean they will not go to the theater and see it on a big massive screen and killer sound. It also doesn't mean they won't plunk down the money on the DVD when it's released. It seems to me file sharing might be helping the industry instead of killing it.
Exactly. I never watch movies in the theater, It's overpriced and uncomfortable. I prefer to sit on my couch and watch a movie on my home theater than go to a movie theater to watch one. I admit I download some movies, but that doesn't stop me from getting the DVD. Even before movies were widely available online I never went to theaters. | |
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join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC
| Re: So what? I do the exact same. Only now, with downloading, I no longer buy crappy DVD's. I only buy good movies, which is what the MPAA is afraid of. It means they would have to maintain a high-quality product in order to keep sales up. Imagine that, a company needing to turn out a quality product to make a profit. | |
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| said by linicx :
All the Guardian survey proves is that 69% of web users believe it is alright to steal.
I don't think the answer is that cut and dry. They said that it wasn't a big deal, but the question didn't dig deeper. Is it not a big deal because there aren't that many people doing it, because they buy the actual song later, because they already own the song on LP, 8 track, cassette, and don't see why they should have to buy the CD?
This was posted earlier this week, P2P helps music sales. | |
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| Try before Buy You bring up the interesting issue of "try before buy". the RIAA's position is kind of silly, since libraries and video stores have these for low prices anyway. Free at the library, and heck I can rent DVD new releases for $1 these days. Seems to me the only difference is that I wouldn't have to wait if I got it off the internet.
FWIW, I'm more towards seeing a movie in the comfort of my home, even if it's only on a 25" diagonal TV. My sound system (mostly pieced together from pawn shop stuff) sounds better than most theaters anyway.
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| said by linicx :
All the Guardian survey proves is that 69% of web users believe it is alright to steal. We, as a society, have failed. We have failed to teach our children- either by example or consequence - that taking what rightfully belongs to someone else is wrong. Theft as a global hobby is as out of control at home as it is at school or at the local green grocer.
The thief of today will be running our banks and governments tomorrow. Where will the safety net be then?
yawn... | |
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join:2003-04-02
Chandler, AZ
| We, as a society, have failed. We have failed to teach our children- either by example or consequence - that taking what rightfully belongs to someone else is wrong.
Well... seems like the darwin effect is wearing off on you. Maybe to make the society a success you can pay up for the deed of your fellow humans. Poor RIAA/MPAA would love your money.:)
The thief of today will be running our banks and governments tomorrow. Where will the safety net be then?
LOL...now crawl back into the hole you emanate from. hint....ENRON, WORLDCOM | |
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join:2003-03-18
Beverly Hills, CA
| Re: So what? said by nutcr0cker :
We, as a society, have failed. We have failed to teach our children- either by example or consequence - that taking what rightfully belongs to someone else is wrong.
Well... seems like the darwin effect is wearing off on you. Maybe to make the society a success you can pay up for the deed of your fellow humans. Poor RIAA/MPAA would love your money.:)
The thief of today will be running our banks and governments tomorrow. Where will the safety net be then?
LOL...now crawl back into the hole you emanate from. hint....ENRON, WORLDCOM
Teach me to pick pocket, teach me to steal without getting caught  You sir haven't learn anything about piracy and it's benefit as of yet.. | |
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
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| Re: So what? Downloading a movie is not breaking into one's house and stealing someone's possessions. It's not even likened to breaking into some movie executive's house and taking their possession. It's gaining a copy of something somebody posted online. Where are the damages there? People are buying movie tickets, films are more and more becoming blockbusters, $100 million in the box office is becoming more commonplace (and movies making that no matter what they cost to produce is still considered a success), and DVD sales have been on a steady climb. Show me where the damages are. | |
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join:2001-10-04
Wayne, PA
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I say this to all of you who think thievery is the right thing. You haven't been violated yet.
Wanna bet?
No I wasn't one of the 850+ who valiantly gave my life for my country in Iraq on a search for non-existent WMDs, but have you filled up your car with gasoline lately?
Do you think it's a coincidence that gas prices just slipped under the $2.00/gallon price as the elections near? | |
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| I hate to burst your bubble, but they have been running things for centuries. Perhaps you are familiar with the Rockerfellers? Or any of the other robberbarons from the turn of the century (meaning 1900) and in the roaring 20s? They are why unions and most of our laws governing buisness came from, because they were greedy ba$t@rds getting rich on the backs of laborers.
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join:2001-01-19
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| Global Epidemic? That's every interesting that the MPAA is saying downloading movies is an epidemic. That would imply the movie industry is hurting. So when I pulled these numbers off of www.boxofficemojo.com I had to wonder what they problem was. I'm basing my figures on movies released between 2000 (about the time Internet file sharing became popular) and now.
- 10 out of the top 20 highest grossing movies of all time in the U.S. are in that timeframe.
- 11 out of the top 20 highest gossing movies of all time worldwide were released between 2000 and 2004.
- 18 out of the top 20 highest opening weekends came this five year timeframe as well.
- Again 18 out of the 20 movies with the least second weekend drops in the box office of all time were released during the 00-04 timeframe.
- 16 out of the top 20 movies to hit $100 million fastest were 00-04.
- 16 out of the top 20 to hit $200 million fastest came from this timeframe.
- 7 out of the top 10 to hit $300 million are 00-04.
- Two of the four movies to ever hit the $400 million mark were made in 2002 and 2004.
So if downloading is an epidemic it seems it's a pretty good one as box office sales are better than ever. | |
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whfsdude
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join:2003-04-05
Washington, DC
| My Reason Let me just say that I now buy my music online because of iTMS. I will be willing to do the same with movies. Here is what it comes down to, I can download a movie in 45 mins or I could go take a shower get ready, walk down to blockbuster. Put up with crap because they never have freaking movies on the shelves or they are already checked out.
I'm also a Mac user. If the MPAA gives me a legal way to obtain movies via the internet and my computer I will.
Until then I will continue to download and steal my movies until they wake up and actually have to cater to consumer needs. | |
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| I have to wonder... If they took into account the revenue gained from people who downloaded a movie or song and then went and bought it...
I know that for just about every movie or song that I have downloaded, I've gone and purchased it if it was good... If it sucked, it got deleted.
And if wanting to hear or see a movie before buying it makes me a pirate, oh well.
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Minas Tirith
| You have to be kidding! If you read both reports, and you think back a couple months of a study that found that [I think this is the amount] 45% of the internet users in the US do not have broadband, but use dial-up! And while there are some other countries where the incident of broadband usage is higher that the US, still I think that the number for all internet users [dial-up & broadband] would be maybe 10%, or lower. if you just take into consideration broadband users, 25% sounds about right. And while the study says that 'people are planning to download a movie in the future', is that because they are getting broadband?
I see [both here & in threads concerning the RIAA policy against downloading] people comparing downloading material with physical crimes [stealing a car, breaking into someones home, assaulting someone, etc] I just shake my head. True, I will not deny it, technically, downloading copyrighted material is against the law. The RIAA & MPAA make a big thing about it, but music CD sales are up [despite the fact that they're horribly overpriced] and more & more people are going to movies and buying DVD. So how can they claim they are losing money. They [maybe] have lost 'potential' buyers. If the material was not available on-line, would someone have bought it? Big unknown. Downloading software is slightly different. The RIAA & MPAA claim that downloading digital media gives a 'exact' copy, [this is not always true, the quality may be bad, the aspect ratio off] but with software, you have a 'cracked' [modified] copy & how do you know what's in it besides the software you wanted? You don't know. You might be installing back-doors to your computer and wouldn't find out until it was too late. | |
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Bakersfield, CA
| Greedy Basically what is boils down to is the MPAA being greedy. They already make billions of dollars and they want more, its not good enough for them. Same goes for RIAA.
Piracy has always been an issue. Look at Microsoft, in Windows XP they made it so you have to activate your copy in an effort to cut down piracy. | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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Bradenton, FL
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| Polls don't mean nothing Polls don't mean nothing unless you ask the right questions. From the look of this poll, the right questions weren't asked. Specific questions need to be asked or it dilutes the whole poll. You can make a poll to where the questions are more to the favor of the person or company who is asking it.
In the article one of the reasons it states people are downloading was high ticket prices. So if P2P was gone tomorrow, would people still flock to the movie theatres and spend? They will just find the cheapest way out if there is a way or spend less. Then the MPAA would be right back in the same boat again and what excuse would they use this time?
I have so far heard the MPAA say the reason they are losing sales was because of P2P but I never heard them say they are losing money on a movie cause the movies was a just down right bad movie to begin with. They are losing money cause the people are spending less. So if the MPAA is going to give an excuse at least give a valid one, not water it down with probabilities. | |
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one_bored_si
join:2003-03-10
Montebello, CA
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| This is how they get their stats They just go through message boards like this and count how many anti MPAA and RIAA posts they find and calculate the numbers. Then they assume all those people download movies and BOOM they slap some slanted figures in front of Congress to get some more laws on the books. The ironic thing of it all is that the laws have had absolutly no impact on file sharing. Its like trying to enforce littering laws, with no enforcement whats the point of making these ridiculous laws. Its is all a waste of Congress' time and the MPAA's as well. They should learn from the RIAA's fatal mistake of not meeting consumers preferences. Start offering online consumption of your films or suffer the same fate. | |
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Ours Go To Eleven
join:2000-12-14
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| Inflation... Has been in the low single digits for quite a while and pretty much a non-issue for some time. For instance $.78 in 1994 bought what $1.00 will today. To play with the numbers by year, go here:
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bltsob
Evil By Desire
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| Money! Ok heres the deal...
Most people who download dont have there own income and they are under the age of like 17.. No income = No money to go see a movie + High Speed Internet that parent pay for = Kids that stay home and leech off of IRC and New Groups
Am i right???
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major marco
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| Tiny Violins I don't know about anyone else but personally speaking, my heart just bleeds for the RIAA & MPAA. Hey, let's start up a widows & orphans fund for them because we all know they can barely afford their private jets and numerous summer homes in Europe. They don't make nearly enough money gouging artists and using lawsuits against music lovers as a revenue generator.
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| Re: Tiny Violins Good point.
But i still cant understand why is piracy so widespread in the US. I am from Slovakia, central Europe, a postcommunist country where 15-18 dollars for a CD or 20-25 dollars for DVD is too much compared to average income of about 400/month.
Yes, movie tickets are a bit cheaper but still almost as expensive as in the US (about 3-4 dollars countryside, 6-7 dollars in the capital).
Now i could justify downloading in countries like mine (although i have never downloaded a movie and only some songs). And many countries are even worse-off than ours. So you can easily afford the risk of going to a crappy movie. | |
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| Re: Tiny Violins George, despite what you may see in the movies (when you get to go to one), please don't assume that everyone in the U.S. is well-to-do. There are many Americans living in both poor urban areas (sometimes referred to as "the ghetto" or more recently, "the 'hood") and there are also many Americans living in poor rural areas.
But I think that what many people living in other countries don't understand is that Americans are under tremendous pressure to maintain a certain standard of living and therefore the amount of disposable income is not what you might think. For example, in much of the U.S. you really do need an automobile, because public transportation is either non-existant, inconvenient, or unsafe (and in some places, dirty/smelly). But it's not just the price of the automobile and gasoline, but also the exhorbitant rates we are charged for auto insurance, which you are required to buy in order to license a car.
Then there is housing. In most countries the head of a family could build a house for the family to live in, using available materials. In the U.S. there are all sorts of zoning restrictions and building codes in effect, mostly to protect the employment of those in various trades (builders, electricians, plumbers, etc.). So a person cannot just buy a piece of property and build a house, at least not without considerable difficulty and expense. Many people cannot afford to buy a home, so they rent, but even rent has gone sky high in recent years.
One of the cheapest ways to live was always to buy a mobile home and live in a mobile home park (a rented lot). 25 years ago you could pick up a decent mobile home for well under $10,000 and mobile home lot rent was around $60 to $75 per month. Nowadays you can still pick up a decent mobile home for not much over $10,000 but the lot rent is more like $250 to $400 per month, and you still only get a small lot to place your home on.
And don't even get me started on prescription drug costs, which are higher in the United States than just about everywhere else in the world. I could go on and on but the point is that we have expenses here that people in other countries cannot even imagine. Some of them are required by fiat of government, others by social pressure.
What you see here is that the large corporations and trade associations and unions have all influenced legislation, and almost every law passed has the effect of making the cost of living go up for the average consumer. They have a law now that says that any proposed new law must be examined to see how much paperwork it will generate (again, protecting large businsses) but it seems that no proposed law is ever examined to determine whether it will increase the cost of living for the average person.
I know that when you see movies they make it seem like the U.S. is swimming in cash. Please remember that the movies are escapist fantasy for most of us. I am not saying that we are worse off than people in your country, but sometimes I wish I lived in a country where all the laws did not seem to be made solely to benefit the large corporations and other special interests who can afford to buy influence in Washington, D.C. Life here is more of a challenge than you realize, and not everyone adapts to it as well as some do. | |
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Sure it's easy to find movies but the tricker part is finding Quality movies that are worth the time and effort.
I'm not going to watch a crappy postage sized rip at that point i'm going to go to the theater instead. | |
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"But there are more problems with these numbers. For one, the sample "was augmented in several countries in order to provide a minimum sample of 100 movie downloaders per country." Given their total of 3,600 respondents for 8 countries, that breaks down to about 450 respondent per country. And if you demand that 100 of these be movie downloaders, your numbers start approaching "one in four" pretty quick."
"Secondly, OTX did not even ask what types of movies had been downloaded, and could not say if these were whole movies. Spokesman Wendy Goldberg told The Register that the phrase "feature film" was used in some questions but would not give us the exact questions or list questions that did not use this phrase. Did OTX ask if the movies were porn or if users downloaded clips as opposed to the whole move? We'll never know."
"OTX also found that 17 percent of movie downloaders said they attend real movies less often these days. Did OTX how many downloaders attend more movies?
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