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join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA | Hmmmmmm If people are stupid enough to believe these twits.............
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Kilroy
Premium,MVM
join:2002-11-21
Sterling Heights, MI
| Re: Hmmmmmm Why, they are telling the truth as long as they have control over your service you're going to have problems. With fiber you're just going to have them faster. 
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | Re: Hmmmmmm Meanwhile, Verizon quitely proceeds laying FTTP. Who is on the wrong side of history here? | |
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sadowski
I Am My Own Doppelganger
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-14
Buffalo, NY
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| Re: Hmmmmmm said by ronpin  :
Meanwhile, Verizon quitely proceeds laying FTTP. Who is on the wrong side of history here?
Verizon plans to add services. It's not just doing fiber for fun. That was the guy's point. Unless you offer services then fiber is... well, just fiber. If you have a bad ISP then fiber, DSL, Cable, Dial-up, it's still a bad ISP and you will still have problems.
It's like having great highways, remember those?, but no cars. Infrastructure counts only when there are services to use it.
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technick
Premium
join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| quote:
According to BellSouth executive Bill Oliver, fiber to the home does not provide better telecom services to people - only better "transport" of information (see local report). Both Bellsouth and Cox are busy trying to convince citizens of Lafayette, Louisiana that they don't need to develop a competing municipal broadband system in conjunction with their local utility. One Cox official went so far as to suggest a local government backed fiber system would mean local residents would be spied on by Uncle Sam.
What freaking idiots, this is just another reason to go ahead and push for your own muni broadband. These large companies promise fiber in one breath, and in the next breath they tell you that fiber is not worth it. This is pure bull crap, and someone needs to tell these idiots this. I wonder if I can find Bill Oliver's email address.
Sure fiber is transport, but it's a very large transport for tons of better and faster services into the home.
Freaking idiots....
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batageek
Slave To The Duopoly
Premium
join:2003-01-25
Batavia, IL
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| "Search your soul Luke...You know it to be true. Bell South copper has self healing midichlorians built in so that the force is actually part of our network...."
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"
Nope...no future in that fiber stuff....
See »www.tricitybroadband.com/misc/la···1904.htm
It seems even SBC has figured out this fiber thing might have merit...
Lying liars......may Jar Jar Binks come live with them.
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | Of course they are, they vote for democrats don't they? | |
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Maggs
Premium
join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
clubs: | Fiber makes it cheaper Fiber makes things cheaper, that is why Cox is mad. They would have to compete on service and price, if the muni was up and running.
Fiber would also give cheap connectivity to local businesses wishing to setup in the area. | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| people are stupid Muni Broadband won't be wire tapped any more than any private company. The government is already forcing ISPs to comply and a lot of them have been setting their services up to be tappable so they won't have to do the work later when the government forces everyone to be tappable. I still don't get why people would vote against competition. I reiterate, people are stupid. | |
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N3OGH
Will it all be Obama's fault now?
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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| Droids? What Droids? Of course Bell South and Cox don't want a muni fiber system. Just like the local liquor store owner doesn't want a new store open across the street, and the crack dealer on corner "X" doesn't want another crack dealer on his corner.
To listen to Bell South and Cox, and believe ANYTHING they have to say in such a forum is to believe the above mentioned crack dealer when he tells you his rock, when smoked properly, had the "RDA" of 11 essential vitamins and minerals.
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TheMetrix
R.T.F.M. - P.E.B.K.A.C
Premium
join:2002-06-15
Utica, MI
clubs: | Tapping Fiber Fiber is only tappable at the source or the destination. Unless the line is broken.
Those twits are grabbing at straws to try and save their collective assess. | |
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rolande
Certifiable
Premium,Mod
join:2002-05-24
Powell, OH
clubs:
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AT&T Midwest
| Re: Tapping Fiber Ummm...actually you can passively tap fiber in the middle with the insulation still intact. There are special device that most ordinary citizens can not get their hands on that allow you to bend a fiber strand in such a way that you can actually pick up the light signal through the insulation at just the right angle. But that is for your regular fiber patch cords and not the burial grade cable. Go figure....the NSA and your government dollars hard at work Also the NSA actually has special OTDR equipment that is tuned to detect if a passive tap is ever placed on a strand of fiber. There must always be a counter-measure to every new big-brother technology they come up with.
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R.T.F.M. - P.E.B.K.A.C
Premium
join:2002-06-15
Utica, MI
clubs: | Re: Tapping Fiber oh, that is something I never really thought about. I had just assumed that it wasn't doable. Thank you for the knowledge update. | |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000
clubs: | great title..... use the forks luke. | |
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Darwin
Not From Around Here
Premium
join:2003-05-29
Carbondale, IL
clubs: | Re: great title..... The Force can have a strong influence on a weak mind...  | |
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kb6183
Oh The Corruption
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join:2000-09-27
Virginia Beach, VA | Crap, laughed so hard at the title I spit coffee on myself. | |
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | Yeah right They don't want fiber just as much as they like constant cable price increases. Cox should spent less money lobbying and simply compete on their MERITS.
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dg2
Premium
join:2004-01-22
Lowell, AR
·Cox HSI
| How silly of me... [blank stare]
I DON'T WANT FIBER.
AND THESE ARE NOT THE DROIDS I'M LOOKING FOR.
I LOVE COX EXPRESS...[/blank stare]
[shake head]
Oh, wait, that wasn't what he said...
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join:2004-06-07
San Jose, CA
| Re: How silly of me... This is called the Mushroom Theory of management:
To Grow the very best Mushrooms (or Cox Customers?) Keep them in the Dark and Feed Them Manure.
That's the Nice way to express it
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| And the Real reason is.... Bellsouth has a bunch of empty copper wire if they let the Muni's string fiber their copper will even be more empty, thus generating even less cash flow. What I fail to understand is why doesn't the baby bells go into partnerships with these Muni's. Something like ok we will install the system under a contract from the Muni. The contract would call for the Telco to maintain the system for
X number of years, powering it and then let the city, and it citizens, do what ever it wants for ISP's. Is this to simple:)
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: And the Real reason is.... Simple? Yes. Profitable? Not as much as the Bells want. Essentially the telco is told they can build out a network and only be able to make money off it for X years. Also Bells have already shown contempt for anybody else providing additional services that they themselves could sell (thus making even more money).
Sure it's short sighted on their part, but considering they are used to getting what they want for over 100 years I'm not surprised they aren't willing to compromise. | |
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SquareSlinky
Premium
join:2004-05-25
Tampa, FL
 ·ViaTalk
| Say no to faster, cheaper service! Of course they would give 100 reasons why the municipality wouldn't want to do that. The proof of why you wouldn't want Comcast or Bellsouth would be evident when the first bill came in the mail.
Cities need to find other ways to earn money. Maybe this is a way not to raise property taxes over and over. (at least I would wish for that) | |
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shad-o
@cox-internet.co
| What to do? I live in Lafayette Louisiana and have a front row seat to this situation as it unfolds. I can't tell y9u how depressing it is to see this happening. The sad thing is that I believe that Cox and Bellsouth will win in the end. Lafayette has a large amount of un-informed people that don't understand the signifigance of what's happening here.
We have two major competitors working together to keep their own wallets fat using mis-leading, dishonest, and malicious information to sway the public's opinion. Isn't it weird they work together when the progit margins are in jepordy?! Heh, guess not.
I see little chance of a Municipal FTTH project actually happening here. I can hope, but it won't be enough. I sent letters to the local papers, television stations, and reps, so I guess I am doing my part. I also attended the meetings being held concerning this situation. I got asked to leave last time because I would refute and/or address everything that COx or BellSouth stated that I knew was blatantly wrong. Maybe a tad too emotional and correct for them? | |
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FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
Premium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL
| its true! quote:
does not provide better telecom services to people - only better "transport" of information
exactly, the same way that the copper pairs in our house can have all sorts of much faster DSL... or hell, they could run a T3 to everyone...
the problem is where the line ends... in the muni, its the muni... with the telco its the telco... so he is basically saying its not that they dont have fiber, its that bellsouth has shitty service
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
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Yakup
join:2000-10-12
Folsom, CA
·BroadVoice
| Fiber is BAD!!! Fiber is fast.
Fiber is more reliable.
Fiber goes more distance.
Fiber has less latency.
Fiber is cheaper (in the long run)
That's why FIBER is bad!!! wait a second... What ... What
I am not working for cox or bell I want fiber... all over the world.
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join:2004-02-02 | Fiber latency > Copper I heard somewhere that signals will travel faster over copper due to the way the light is refracted inside a fiber (the path of light is not straight therefore travels a further distance)
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Fiber latency > Copper In a word fiber optics is much faster than running signal through copper wiring. If it weren't faster than copper then all the major data arteries wouldn't be fiber. All internet backbones run on fiber. Most major corporate networks run their routers through fiber backbones. Whoever is spreading around that copper is faster than fiber must be working for a copper-related company (ILECS, etc.) | |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| As I have been saying.... I have posted this before but I think 1 organization should own the entire infrastructure that is ran EVERYWHERE all over this country. Then the FCC or whoever can "govern" it to make sure it is being used fairly and is not stagnant (not being kept up-to-date). Whether we like it or not some things require the government to be involved. The barrier of entry into markets just make it so whether we want it or not.
If one organization owned it and maintained it, then ALL providers can lease the lines to any home/business anywhere and provide whatever service they want. Then Charter can compete with Cox anywhere in the US, SWB can compete with AT&T anywhere in the US, Earthlink, AOL, Covad, any ISP can compete with any other ISP anywhere in the US. AND all of those people can compete with each other all over the US. This would all but eliminate the local monopolies we all currently deal with and would provide every user with all services and not just those the current local monopoly feels is profitable for them because if they dont want to provide a service then another company can easily do it. | |
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DarkGryphon7
join:2004-04-16
Jamison, PA
| Dunno for sure Fiber is faster. The signal travels at the speed of light. Copper should technically travel at the same speed, but actually, electrical signals can be slowed down. Power companies do it all the time to reduce friction and therefore energy loss. Thats what those big things on the poles do. Anyay, fiber is better than copper in every way except for durabilioty, which shouldnt be a problem if its buried underground. | |
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TrustedZero
join:2001-08-25
Claremont, CA | Fiber Deployment Does fiber also support terrorism?  | |
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InLaf2
@cox-internet.co
| Finally in the national news for a good reason. I also live in Lafayette, LA, and know many people who are pushing this. Just about anyone around here who knows what the term internet means supports it. That doesn't mean that I think it has a chance of passing, but at least the local legislature has authorized a feasibility study.
I am very aware of internet technologies. Even I don't think its justifiable by todays standards of service, but since I have more than 2 brain cells to rub against one another, I can see that this will be beneficial in the future. Bring it on, me and lots of friends will vote for it and support by subscribing.
Just a side comment regarding the "government spying" angle. For years, I have been telling friends and family the same thing. NEVER type anything into a browser/email that you wouldn't yell in a crowded theater. Ok, its a little overstated, but the concept is the same. If you don't think the gov is already monitoring the internet, I have some swampland that you may be interested in buying. Remember carnivore? Think its gone? Let me show you this land, your gonna love it.... 9/11 had some interesting consequences. | |
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