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dadkins
Go For It
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Re: federal offense of the 7th degree ...by the cop. LMAO! | |
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myhoes
Michael Extreme User
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Laval, QC
clubs: | Re: federal offense of the 7th degree hahahaahah thats funny | |
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technick
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Loganville, GA | That's Great I can cruise around in my new Chevy Camaro Z28 and Stumble while I enjoy my new ride. That's sweet =). I am sure I can find a way to fix a antenna outside of the car since it's a t-top.
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GeekNJ
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Waldwick, NJ |  Working with my Cisco card!
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Maumelle, AR | Working with my aironet 350 and my D-link 650+ | |
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Rogerquake
join:2002-01-12
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Netgear card now working netstumbler didn't work with my Netgear 108mbps card and now it does  .. now to try it with my Netgear USB adapter | |
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BuckeyeChris
join:2004-01-16
Columbus, OH | Works with Dell TrueMobile 1300/Broadcom card Works well with the Dell TrueMobile 1300 WLAN mini PC card that has the Broadcom chipset. It even found a second AP that my Windows and the Dell Client Mobility programs didn't see. | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
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join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | Re: Works with Dell TrueMobile 1300/Broadcom card Mine doesent WTF. I want to wardrive too.!!!!1 | |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
clubs: | Re: Works with Dell TrueMobile 1300/Broadcom card What dell drivers are you using? Mine works fine!:D | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
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Greenville, SC
clubs: | Re: Works with Dell TrueMobile 1300/Broadcom card The updated ones on their site. | |
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ricep5
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join:2000-08-07
Jacksonville, FL
 ·Comcast Formerly ..
 ·AT&T CallVantage
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| Only Secured is illegal Only intruding on secured networks is illegal. If a Wifi zone is not secured, then it is public space. The frequency is considered public use by FCC. No different than picking up unsecured phone conversation on the 2.4Ghz band by the cheap cordless phones. That is not considered a wiretap.
Enforcement of the use of public radio transmissions belongs to the FCC. If someone broke the key (WEP or otherwise) and was hacking a system, yes, the law has clearly been broken.
If someone is merely surfing the web on an open wifi zone, no crime has been committed. If they are using it to commit crimes or conduct commercial activity, I think that is obvious. Bust em. | |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
clubs:
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April 21st, @10:18PM
| Re: Only Secured is illegal said by Optimized  :
Just walked out on the deck, guess I only have one neighbor that is a tech geek. Running a netgear unit still using the default SSID with no encryption 
Dang, none of my neighbors have AP's.:(
You are lucky...but I must check frequently...Perhaps I have underestimated them...
I just hate it when I see clearly stupid people buying AP's, you can just tell by overhearing their conversations, its like they try to use the term "USB" as many times as possible in one sentence, and read off the box and then pretend like they know jack about what it means. Bottom line is that they need to be educated about how insecure all these access points are, and frequently I outline (right there in the store) how to secure one, and then refer them to this site. Generally afterwards their facial expressions are either that of horror (at the insecurity) or indifference (went over their heads).
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CopsArentNetworkAdmi
@COMMNET.EDU
| Then the problem is really how technically trained are these police officers? Do you really think they'll be able to differentiate between casual web browsing on an open connection and using the connection as a relay to perform exploits?
My gut feeling is telling me that they'll arrest anybody they find with a laptop computer in their car, regardless of what the facts may be. | |
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
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join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA
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| Re: Only Secured is illegal said by CopsArentNetworkAdmi:
My gut feeling is telling me that they'll arrest anybody they find with a laptop computer in their car, regardless of what the facts may be.
The GPRS and 1xRTT aircards should cause a lot of problems. Expecially with the business-type.
Employee - "Hey. Will you bail me out of jail so I can get to my next meeting on time? And can you get that presentation on a disc?"
Boss - "Dammit. Not again! Be right over."
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Ozz_man
join:2002-03-31
Marion, IL
·Mediacom
| Re secured networks quote:
Only intruding on secured networks is illegal. If a Wifi zone is not secured, then it is public space.
Please back this up with proof.
If I accidently leave my front door unlocked, it doesnt mean you have the right to just walk into my home. And It dont mean you are welcome to intrude on my hard drive and hack my files either. | |
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join:2003-12-05
Fargo, ND
| Re: Re secured networks If your foolish enough to run a wide open network and too lazy to run Cat 5, then you truly deserve any problems you get. Cat 5 is 3 cents per foot and the modular plugs are about a dime each. There are technologies available that work well on existing home run phone lines, I guess if you had a lazy electrician wire your home your still screwed in that respect. I would rather put in Wiremold than let my secure data be on the air.
You all complain about linksys, but I have found 2 Dlink AP's that will let any card assosciate with it, no matter what the ssid is set at on the card.
I have found that Linksys' problems are more related to Win XP, because I have yet to have problems with my Win 2k Laptop. | |
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reaver221
join:2003-05-08
Cincinnati, OH
| Re: Re secured networks said by jazzy112 :
If your foolish enough to run a wide open network and too lazy to run Cat 5, then you truly deserve any problems you get. Cat 5 is 3 cents per foot and the modular plugs are about a dime each.
I disagree. CAT5 cable may be cheap, but wiring your (already built) house can be a HUGE pain in the ass. Sometimes, especially in older homes, I've found that WiFi is the only reasonable solution for getting data to certain parts of the house. | |
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join:2002-12-21
Concord, CA
| Well if your foolish enough to leave your front door wide open. It might be against the letter of the law but it's still plain stupid.
How about this analogy though. If your fruit tree hangs over the fence into my yard isn't the fruit that drops on my property mine for the taking?
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Piobaireachd
Happy Halloween
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join:2000-09-21
Port Orchard, WA
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Rhobite
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join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
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| A wireless hot spot on the Internet, oh no! quote:
They even put a so-called wireless hot spot on the Internet.
Best newspaper quote ever.
At the risk that of confessing to a felony online, I had to take the new NetStumbler for a spin just now. I did not access any of the networks I found. So finally it supports my Netgear WG511 card, this is the first time I've used it. The totals? 10 minute drive through town, 53 networks found, 41 of which are unsecured. Among the more amusing SSIDs: Hive Mind, Liz, Lisa, spoon, ollie, Yo Mama. One of the SSIDs was even an address in an apartment complex. Very interesting.
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AlkalineArmy
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join:2002-03-14
Henderson, KY
| The Legality of Wardriving As far as I know, no one in the US has been charged with a crime just for wardriving and/or accessing open (unsecured) hot spots. However, if you're paranoid, you can do what I do: Disable the TCP/IP stack bound to your 802.11 adapter before you go out. This will make it so you're in "passive" mode so to speak. Your wireless card will not try to poll the AP's for an IP, therefore you won't inadvertently connect to every hotspot you come across. | |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
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| Re: The Legality of Wardriving I doubt your generic city cop would even be able to tell whether someone is wardriving or not. Obviously if they are stopped in front of somebody's house with a huge dish mounted on their car's hood, it's going to be pretty obvious, but if you're just casually driving by, its going to be much harder to detect.
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Rhobite
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join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
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| For the really paranoid: This doesn't put it in passive mode, NetStumbler still transmits. It sends a packet that requests a broadcast from any nearby APs. But you're right that disbling TCP/IP will prevent you from grabbing an IP address.
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dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | I guess I'm lucky Sitting in my back yard, I can "see" 5 APs(not including mine)... 4 are wide open. Once, by mistake, coming out of standby my computer connected to a neighbor.  | |
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NetStumbler v0.4.0
Already had it all working fine under v.3, v.4 just plain rocks - next time I will plug in my GPS too. Tag and bag 'em guys!
