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Will eat for food
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join:2003-05-25 | D-oh No surprise there really. BT is "LOLLOL GOOD SPEEDS!" and easy to use and also great at distributing new files. Was only a matter of time wasn't it? | |
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Mentiroso
join:2003-10-15
Albany, GA
| Re: D-oh I treid BT and it always sucked. I could never get anything fast and I tried several hundred files and nothing worth waiting 10 hours. I hit XDCC and get what I need much faster (1.6gb movie in 2 hours). So the BT crack down doesnt bother me a bit.
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nfx
The Wire
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join:2001-05-21
Vancouver, BC
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| Re: D-oh said by Mentiroso  :
I treid BT and it always sucked. I could never get anything fast and I tried several hundred files and nothing worth waiting 10 hours. I hit XDCC and get what I need much faster (1.6gb movie in 2 hours). So the BT crack down doesnt bother me a bit.
Ok, thanks for sharing even though it has nothing to do with the subject.
you've tried BT and it's always "sucked" for you = nothing to do with BT users getting DMCA warnings.
"I could never get anything fast and I tried several hundred files and nothing worth waiting 10 hours." = nothing to do with BT users getting DMCA warnings.
you use XDCC = nothing to do with BT users getting DMCA warnings.
it takes you 2 hours to get 1.6gb = nothing to do with BT users getting DMCA warnings.
"So the BT crack down doesnt bother me a bit." It certainly does not.
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join:2003-10-15
Albany, GA
| Re: D-oh said by nfx :
said by Mentiroso :
I treid BT and it always sucked. I could never get anything fast and I tried several hundred files and nothing worth waiting 10 hours. I hit XDCC and get what I need much faster (1.6gb movie in 2 hours). So the BT crack down doesnt bother me a bit.
Ok, thanks for sharing even though it has nothing to do with the subject.
"So the BT crack down doesnt bother me a bit." It certainly does not.
Well Dick, if you read everything I said you would have noticed that I said the crackdown doesnt bother me because I dont use BT. So what I said does have something to do with the topic. So why not take the stick out of your ass and learn to read?
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nfx
The Wire
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join:2001-05-21
Vancouver, BC
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| Re: D-oh said by Mentiroso :
Well Dick, if you read everything I said you would have noticed that I said the crackdown doesnt bother me because I dont use BT.
You said it yourself, it doesn't affect you. So why did you bother posting about your experiences with BT? How do your experiences with BT relate to the DMCA warnings? You don't even use it!
I hope you'll be able to comprehend what i just said.
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join:2003-11-11
Ogden, UT | Hey mentiroso!! don't worry about NFX,he invested some money in BT,that why he don't get it, and the stick thing too. | |
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Mentiroso
join:2003-10-15
Albany, GA | Eh, doesnt really bother me. It's just the internet. Ignorance bothers me every now and then and I will make a smart ass reply. No hard feelings.
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g3ddylee
join:2002-12-09
Lincoln Park, NJ
| Re: D-oh Not for nothing, but by stating that it doesn't affect you, it most certainly does. Maybe not at this exact moment, but these companies are just gaining power when people like yourself don't take a stand, and instead wallow around thinking "well, it doesn't affect me, so why should I give a shit!" | |
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join:2003-10-15
Albany, GA | Re: D-oh Well when I get a letter for using xdcc, then I will care. | |
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join:2002-05-25
Dallas, GA
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| And what exactly does YOUR post have to do with the topic on hand ?
You know we could do this all day long, play topic cop, if you really wanna. 
But to keep a bit ontopic, if you really want to be anonymous in your downloading habits.. if you really think being anon online exists, Usenet is the word.
Note i said downloading, and not uploading.
Tho your isp will keep a nice record of what you download and it doesn't take much to get that info out of them these days now does it ? | |
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | Wow. What an asshat. That had to take longer to type than to read the post it was referring to. | |
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dadkins
Go For It
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | News Flash! No one on the internet is anonymous...anywhere! | |
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA | Grrr.. I woulda said the same thing but I was out to lunch =X. | |
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
clubs: | Freenet is anonymous. | |
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
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| Re: News Flash! Yes, many people have that same objection to Freenet. The author recommends that people who can't get over this point shouldn't use it. With true anonymity comes true freedom of speech, which is obviously a double-edged sword. Personally I think Freenet's benefits outweigh its problems.
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY | Good Thing... I only trade live, uncopyrighted performances from one band! | |
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Premium
join:2003-12-29
Bolton, MA
| Re: Good Thing... Do keep in mind that all works are copyrighted now; there is no need to explicitly do anything. And yes, this includes live performances.
I assume what you really mean is that you only trade works for which you have redistribution rights and these happen to all be live performances from one band.
The Grateful Dead, for example, used to allow tape trading of their shows but they didn't allow you to broadcast those tapes. | |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY | Re: Good Thing... I do have band permission, and yes it is from one band...so I think I'm good.
Since when are live performances copyrighted? I don't see how that works. | |
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@uno.edu | Re: Good Thing... quote:
Since when are live performances copyrighted?
Its been like that for years... Its one of the reasons why bootlegging a concert is illegal. | |
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join:2002-05-25
Dallas, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: Good Thing... Bootlegging, ie: taping and selling shows for personal profit is illegal. But its still can be a grey area with regards to taping and trading live shows freely.
Usually bands hold the copyrights to the live show they perform and its considered illegal for tapers looking to make money on the bands live performance. But its the bands responsibility to go after bootleggers, not the record labels. But in order for a band to prove copyright infringement the band has to make its own recording of the live event. Some venues even record the shows themselves through the soundboard these days, and can claim co-copyright holdings with the band for a particular show/event. Throw in televised performances and you get a whole other holder of certain copyrights involved. And to compound things further some tapers have claimed copyright over their own personal recordings of certain shows, seeing how they spent their own money on equipment and actually did the work of the recording themselves. And have won for damages in regards where their tapes were stolen by someone else looking to bootleg them.
The only band to ever actively seek damages against bootleggers en masse has been the Grateful Dead, because they weren't only just a band but also a corporation. They always had an open taping/trading policy with their shows. But they were the only ones with the capital to back their lawyers going after those trying to make money on their recordings.
But recording and trading shows freely is truly in no form illegal, and many venues who now prevent the recording of concerts has led to the stigma that the recording of shows is illegal.
Some bands now even have an open taping and trading policy, which they use to stop venues from disallowing taping. Because no matter what in the end its only the band that holds the copyright to the live performances. | |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
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| Always a crap shoot When you use one of these programs you never know who is connected to you. In BT you can see all the ip addresses of people connected to you, but do you have any idea who those ip addresses belong to?
Even if you did a whois lookup on every ip address connected to you and knew all the companies that are employed by the RIAA/MPAA, it still wouldn't help because it would already be too late.
I liken using one of these programs to speeding on the highway. Will you get caught everytime? No. Will you get caught eventually? Yes.
The only way not to get caught is not to download copyrighted material.
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maartena
Nice'n Round.
Premium
join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Always a crap shoot RIAA/MPAA just uses a bunch of regular DSL accounts just like anyone else. DSL is cheap, and does the trick quite nicely. You'll never know if an IP address is one from RIAA or not.
They can change DSL anytime you want, so even if you think you are close to figuring it out, they probably already moved to different IP addresses 
The only way not to get caught is not done by not DOWNLOADING copyrighted materials, its done by not UPLOADING them. Its been proven in court that if you legally own a movie, you may download a copy of it - as long as you can show proof that you owned the movie at the time of the download. It does not matter HOW MANY movies you own, you are not allowed to UPLOAD even a single frame of it. And thats where the RIAA nails you on.
There are some programs out there that effectively block any uploads, which does work with some P2P programs. Use one of those programs, make sure not a single byte leaves your house, and you are home free. It destroys the whole principal of P2P though, because no uploaders = no downloads.
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
| Re: Always a crap shoot said by maartena :
The only way not to get caught is not done by not DOWNLOADING copyrighted materials, its done by not UPLOADING them.
While this is true, many modern p2p programs automatically share what you are downloading, even if the download hasn't finished yet.
Like you said, there are ways to prevent actually sharing the file for certain programs. Stopping BitTorrent from sharing is as easy as blocking incoming connections, but BitTorrent severely penalizes people who do this by artificially slowing down their downloads.
Also like you said the whole p2p system would fall apart if no one shared, especially BitTorrent where no one usually has the complete file.
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MuDvAyNe
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join:2002-03-02
Brooklyn, NY | ~ Just keep using IRC 
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steelgaze
Premium
join:2002-02-01
San Francisco, CA
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| No surprise Man.. People are just plain silly.
If you think you can just download everything and not worry, Guess what.. you're wrong. If you're going to break the law, you should the the responsibility.
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jap
Premium
join:2003-08-10
038xx
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: No surprise said by steelgaze :
Play with fire and you're going to be burned.
Way simplistic.
Doesn't it sorta depend who's fire and how you play? Or have you removed all the colors from your world and everything is just black & white? | |
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs:
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| Your IP is right there! How could anyone think BT trading is anonymous? Every IP, wether it be uploading or downloading, for any given file, is clearly displayed for everyone else running the file.
BT is great for sharing files among friends, and for legal distribution (Lindows BT download maxed my connection) but for copyright stuff? No way.
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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·VoicePulse
| Re: Your IP is right there! Well, see that is fine with me. I have no objections to internet trading going back to those who know what they are doing. Back when it was just us geeks trading stuff, no one messed with us.
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Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
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| Re: Your IP is right there! said by Camelot One :
Well, see that is fine with me. I have no objections to internet trading going back to those who know what they are doing. Back when it was just us geeks trading stuff, no one messed with us.
Yeah its when Kevin Rose does his dark tips on techTV that a bunch of n00bs get in on it then the RIAA comes sniffing around. I never cared for BT but its happened countless times.
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@66.84.x.x | Re: Your IP is right there! those "dark tips" are beyond lame
that guy is as much a "computer expert" as i am the queen of spain
most of the time his "dark tips" are 8 months later than people in places like this posted them in the first place | |
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join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs: | It took me about 20 hours to get that copy of Linows on BT. I dunno, maybe I was doing it wrong or something. | |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| But They're UPLOADING
From what little I understand, the going theory is that BitTorrent users are especially vulnerable NOT because their "IP address is shared with everyone", but because they are ALSO UPLOADING and sharing the same file they are downloading, as part of the normal BitTorrent protocol.
Several people have claimed that pure downloaders (leechers) are NOT subject to any letters or other actions, but that is next to impossible with BitTorrent (it severely limits the rate at which one can download).
So the "IP in the clear" explanation, while true, is not the reason the users are vulnerable.
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nfx
The Wire
Premium
join:2001-05-21
Vancouver, BC
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| Re: But They're UPLOADING said by B :
So the "IP in the clear" explanation, while true, is not the reason the users are vulnerable.
correct. The act of uploading is what's making them a target, their IP being revealed is a result and is what leads to them getting marked for a warning.
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join:2004-05-25
Atlanta, GA
| When one is torrenting it is imperative that the upload limit is controlled. It is easy for ISP to become suspicious when ones upload is pinned to max for hours and hours. They think what in the world could this person be doing with their residential broadband service?
Cap the upload to 10KBs and download speeds will be faster as well. My firewall and peergaurdian block the guys like MPAA--that I am not worried about. It is the ISP (who gets a bill like everyone else for the amount of bandwith used per month.) If ever questioned by ISP; simply tell them that you were uploading to a backup private FTP server. I use torrent port ranges like "6881" for my FTP Server instead of 21 and promote that the backup server does the same. It makes more sense to the ISP that it would take a while to upload a large file if you are only distributing or the server is only allowing 10-16KBs. I use Comcast and Bellsouth on comuters right next to each other in my home and have been torrenting literally since it first started and before it was popular (geek) and with no problems-to-date. Now I have to knock on wood for sharing this information with you guys! | |
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vic102482
Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD | Get a DVD burner and netflix Burn and return. The MPAA or RIAA cant touch you there. (well they can but they wont). | |
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xdeadhead
220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA | Re: Get a DVD burner and netflix dvd decrypter and dvd shrink and an 8x dvd+/- burner. nuff said.
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Yowzaaah
Ours Go To Eleven
join:2000-12-14
DamnFlat, OH
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| But again, is it actually copyright infringement? But....even assuming your torrent is a copyrighted work, you are "distributing" no contiguous bits and pieces of filetypes that are unviewable/listenable if not complete. I'd love to see an actual case go to trial around infringement using torrents and the copyright owner prove the infringement with actual content DL'ed from user X. | |
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superman00
@verizon.net | Comcast and Cox hum, it interesting that i only see isp such as COX and Comcast there.  | |
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RIAArUs
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Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | Re: How's emule w/ipfilter? Not safe at all. The ipfilter just uses the same crap from another wannabe product called peergaurdian. That is another product that won't keep you safe. | |
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@optonline.net | just a question Is MUTE file sharing any good good and does it truly provide privacy | |
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zipjay
join:2003-03-11
Louisville, KY
| its only as annoynmous as people make it the only way you can be annoynmous with BT is if u give the torrant file to only people u know.. cuz the RIAA cant find whos sending if they dont have the torrant file.. so BT is only as annoynmous as the people who are using it want to..
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s2nd2none
Premium
join:2004-01-13
Pomona, CA
| Re: its only as annoynmous as people make it ok folks, here it is down and dirty. If you don't want to get caught or run the risk of getting caught, stay off of the public file sharing services. There are plenty of "other resources" you can use, and hopefully you can find "Very Private" ones, where the only thing you have to worry about is one of the trusted members flipping on the group, which does not and has not happened as often as RIAA and MPAA are sending out notices.
And trust me there are plenty of private, underground file sharing communities that can sniff out a RIAA or MPAA, or FBI for that matter. | |
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Rhobite
Premium
join:2002-02-24
Cambridge, MA
clubs: | Well if you're just sharing with your friends why not just send the files directly to them? Why would you bother setting up BT and running a tracker?
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cork1958
Cork
join:2000-02-26
Fruitport, MI | wide open Tried BT one time. Didn't like it at all as it made me feel wide open to everyone/everything for some reason. Must've been the paranoia! | |
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alexk6
join:2002-10-28
Vernon, BC | anonx I tried using anonx.com to hide my IP. It does work, but speeds are horribly slow. I wonder why someone doesnt make something similar to torrents that masks IP addresses? | |
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JmGx
join:2003-04-08
San Diego, CA | mIRC/XDCC anon? is mIRC safe? Do RIAA/FBI people go in channels and catch people downloading off the bots? | |
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StreetSpirit
Good Luck, President Elect Obama
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn Heights, NY
·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL
| IRCIf you run a file serving bot on IRC for the general public, you're doing exactly what exposes you to the most risk: you're sending files to people you do not know and allowing them to view your archives.
I spent time in a music video channel and saw two guys there get letters for sharing copyrighted music videos.
glftpd 1.32_Linux+TLS ready.
AUTH SSL
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SSL/TLS negotiation successful...
SSL/TLS connection using cipher EDH-DSS-DES-CBC5-SHA (168 bits)
PBSZ 0
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SSL , the only way to fly.
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| Re: IRC A 168 bit key is nothing to brute force, relatively speaking, if it's a bot with a load of stuff what's to stop the RIAA/MPAA/Other stupid acronym from brute forcing it and pulling out the clean information?
And you're still screwed if they grab the key somewhere along the line... | |
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CKi
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| Re: IRC If they brute-forced your server, you would have a very clear legal case (IMO) that THEY did something illegal. Hacking in terms of crypotography is a much higher offence than sharing copyrighted work in this country (USA). You could probably get them to do pretty much anything (drop your case, pay you off). | |
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Navo
join:2004-05-25
Atlanta, GA
| Bit Torrent Ethics? The main problem with BT users (especially noobs) is they have no savvy. Of course your ISP will become supsicious if your upload in pinned to max for many hours. The upload speed of torrents have to be controlled. Mine is always set to 10KBs for each torrent file downed and my speed are always fast.
There is no reason to be greedy and try to download many things at once. It could be possible that you are logged into a private FTP server (using the same TCP port range--as it does not have to be 21) and if you simulate common transfers then you can stay under the wire.
Also it is imperative to use PeerGuardian with blocklists updated. The RIAA/MPAA can't "connect" if it gets "reject!" Most people don't know what an IP is; most don't know how to really use Bit Torrent. I use Comcast and Bellsouth DSL and torrent my a$$ off with no problems. If ever asked: I simply would say that I was uploading a backup copy to a private server for backup purposes. But a firewall and PeerGuardian have always rocked in torrent harmony. I've detected every one from the RIAA, Columbia Records to HBO lurking on Suprnova...the problem is that if you are not blocking them ("PeerGuardian") then they have something they can log and report to your ISP.
What are they gonna cry to your ISP about blocking them? NOT! So what, who wants them snooping in your computer anyway. It's like this: Prove that I am downloading and or uploading "Scarface" or leave me alone (and logging into a torrent tracke and viewing IP lists is not enough.) But if you don't block thier IP from snooping into yours--that's another story.
google search PeerGaurdian and get it and use it right now (and not a minute later.) Don't torrent or down on any P2P network without it. You may be surprised to see how exposed you WERE. AND DO USE A FIREWALL for blocking application's executable files from connecting "outbound" to the Internet without your knowledge. Everything from MS Word to Photoshop will connect if you are online without outbound prevention. if you dwell in the underworld you are going to have to use a bit more savvy...like IRC users. | |
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