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Hatch, Leahy, take aim at P2P
(old news - 10:43AM Saturday Mar 27 2004)
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Wired News reports on Congressional efforts to make it easier for the music industry to prosecute individuals they accuse of music piracy. The "Protecting Intellectual Rights Against Theft and Expropriation Act of 2004," or the "Pirate Act", would allow the justice department to file civil suits against file traders. According to Senator Orrin Hatch (a musician himself), Wired says he believes the operators of P2P networks "are running a conspiracy in which they lure children and young people with free music, movies and pornography." As Wired points out, Hatch has received $152,360 from the entertainment industry. Senator Patrick Leahy, the bill's co-sponsor, has received $178,000. The article also explores a proposal by Rep. Lamar Smith gunning for harsh-penalties against those who share more than 2,500 copyrighted works, or pre-release works.

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Steve
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Too many staffers..

... which come up with dopey pseudo-acronyms like "The P.I.R.A.T.E .Act" or "The U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act".

yock
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Re: Too many staffers..

Just what I was thinking. Slap a cute name on it, wrap it up and put a bow on it. Any way you want to present it, it still stinks off personal agendas, ulterior motives, and conflicts of interest.
youngo

join:2001-07-03

Re: Too many staffers..

why don't we all make some original music and make our own mp3s then put them on some p2p fileshare but name it something similar to one of those popular bands and let the riaa download it and then sue the riaa for having a copy because we didn't authorize the riaa to have a copy but only the rest of the world. or start sharing mp3s that look like riaa protected music and counter sue them when they try to sue you for distributing the music.

burrrrrrp

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Re: Too many staffers..

They'd just argue that you violated their trademarks. Just like you can't draw a picture of a superhero and name him "Mickey Mouse", you make an album of your kid singing stuff and call it Madonna's greatest hits -- unless your kid was named Madonna, of course.
youngo

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Re: Too many staffers..

then file sharers should just rename all the files so riaa can't know what it is by looking at it. then mix in some bait music to sue riaa. or something.

CtrlAltDel
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Big Brother, Oh Brother!

There goes my DVD Screeners! Soon I'll have to wait until movies are released before I view them.

And, of course the contributions didn't sway Leahy and Hatch.
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Re: Big Brother, Oh Brother!

Hatch was running his web site off pirated software. They straightened that out later explaining it was all just an oversight.
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Re: Big Brother, Oh Brother!

said by Andrew J See Profile:
Hatch was running his web site off pirated software. They straightened that out later explaining it was all just an oversight.

Just a little "Oops", eh? Maybe the "Oversight Committee" should have looked at it.;)

goldy

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Re: Big Brother, Oh Brother!

I believe it is time to introduce legislation to limit the number of congressmen. obvisiously we have to many of them so they lack for serious work.

Conspiacy Theorist

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Re: Big Brother, Oh Brother!

Perhaps we should start outsourcing our congressmen too. Then, I think they will start to take notice of the job loss in America and stop pandering to the outrageously wealthy on this whole copyright BS that, in it's inception, was never meant to last beyond even the life of the artist!
Note: Artistic Copyright was never intended to make the rich filthy rich but to protect the creativity of the material! And Cyber Technology's inception was to free mankind from the boundaries of Capitalism. It should, therefore, endorse free-thinking and impose creative changes to Capitalism and the way the easily spooked Record Dictators should market, period.
Impeding on P2P is a huge mistake! The labels view it as a breach of copyright and not as a marketing goldmine! STUPID! (Some Terribly Uneducated Imbecile's Detriment)
tc17

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said by Andrew J See Profile:
Hatch was running his web site off pirated software. They straightened that out later explaining it was all just an oversight.

Unfortunetly they would not have the same level of forgiveness against us.

Its typical of 99% people in this world. They are the first to throw stones when they themselves had either did the same thing or have other things hiding in their own closet.

I'm really getting sick of the "Big Brother" attitude our goverment is getting anymore. It won't be long before we have video cameras in every home monitoring everything we do.
Desdinova

join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD

Um, okay...

"are running a conspiracy in which they lure children and young people with free music, movies and pornography."
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And the purpose of this conspiracy is what exactly? What are its goals? These evil p2p'ers are luring kids with free music so they can...give them free music? Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy at best.

And I'm sure Hatch and his cronies are only doing this for ethical reasons; the money given to them has nothing to do with it. I also believe that ALL the money raised by RIAA is going into a widow and orphans fund...but I'm clearly delusional again.

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Re: Um, okay...

You beat me to it.

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said by Desdinova See Profile:
evil p2p'ers are luring kids with free music so they can...give them free music?
lol! Kinda like giving a kid candy - then leaving them to, ya know, enjoy it. What's the point? Well ... I'm glad you asked. Once those big, bad, highly organized p2p'ers lull those innocent, helpless kids into a false sense of candy-security, well, just watch out then, I tell ya! It's an axis of evil just waiting to happen. Why, I heard that every p2p'er either already has or is actively pursuing weapons of mass storage. I know, scary but true!

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Conspiracy?

That's funny. Sharmen Networks and co. are conspiring to lure kids with pornography, free music, and movies to...uhmmm...I'm not sure to where. But they are trying to lure them somewhere, somehow. It's not that these people just want free stuff or whatever. It's a conspiracy. We're luring children....somewhere. That's unorganised crime for 'ya.
Edit: I can't spell.
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gargzo
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Re: Conspiary?

"unorganised crime" That is funny.

Wonder how much legislation these 2 clowns have authored that have to do with hunger in the U.S.?

Priorities,priorities.

Logwind

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"lure children" ?

Lure them from blowing their allowance on extortionately priced CDs?

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$$$$

Hell if the entertainment industry gave me $152,360 as they did Hatch I would tell people to buy CD's too. But since they have stole money from me over the years with the crap they sold me as a youth I will continue to boycott my CD purchases, except for CDR's that is
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ssj4android
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Re: $$$$

If they gave me that much money, I'd tell people not to buy cds from people who have enough money to wast to give me it. After all, I'd already have the money; saying that then would be funny.

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said by pranky See Profile:
Hell if the entertainment industry gave me $152,360 as they did Hatch I would tell people to buy CD's too. But since they have stole money from me over the years with the crap they sold me as a youth I will continue to boycott my CD purchases, except for CDR's that is

The CDR is the top all time selling cd in the world. Hell it doesnt even have anything on it.

rklein
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How about The CongressCritter Act...

...to put those leeches in jail where they belong! No, I don't believe that most of them belong in jail, or even that they're all leeches, but I still like the sound of it.
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Striped 1 right at a time !

dos 1930's Germany Come to mind when thinking about the US government If not it should !
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Re: Striped 1 right at a time !

Yeah, just the other day my town passed a law saying Jews couldn't work in certain jobs, and last night's book burning rally was a blast. I'll post pictures later.

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Re: Striped 1 right at a time !

said by joebear29 See Profile:
Yeah, just the other day my town passed a law saying Jews couldn't work in certain jobs, and last night's book burning rally was a blast. I'll post pictures later.
It's getting there.

With the way quotas and "incentive" programs work, certain people won't be considered for certain jobs and promotions. And as for book burnings, well, take a look at what they are doing to Clarke for speaking out in HIS book. They might not be burning the books, but they are sure roasting the author!
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Re: Striped 1 right at a time !

Its really sad ain't it with all these new act's we lose are rights and with bush in office he ain't doing anything at all to stand up for are rights but yet he will go over seas to fight for Other ppl's freedom ? soon it will be like it was in the 30's when ppl look at the US thay probly dont think land of the free any more and thats truly sad in my book what ever happened to a democracy in this country and what ever happened to are rights when are kids grow up thay will blame us for all there Lose's and i will say to my kid there was nothing we could do about it its the way this democracy works now Aday's by the time she gets all Enuf to vote there wont be a voting system here if there is it will be a joke because you know theres always some one pushing some ones buttons know what i mene ?

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Re: Striped 1 right at a time !

Im an AOLer but even I have to say my god you are an idiot

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said by KrK See Profile:
said by joebear29 See Profile:
Yeah, just the other day my town passed a law saying Jews couldn't work in certain jobs, and last night's book burning rally was a blast. I'll post pictures later.
It's getting there.

With the way quotas and "incentive" programs work, certain people won't be considered for certain jobs and promotions. And as for book burnings, well, take a look at what they are doing to Clarke for speaking out in HIS book. They might not be burning the books, but they are sure roasting the author!

Rage Against the Machine once said something along the lines of, "They don't need to burn the books, they just lose them". My girlfriend's sister works in a small town public library. She says the other older librarian tend to lose books they don't want in the library

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More chunks of meat to feed the dogs.

Defining marriage as between a man and a woman.
Meat tossed to the hard right, to show that they hadn't been over looked.

The last round of tax cuts and over time pay change.
Meat tossed to the employers, and to those earning an hourly wage.

FCC witch hunt.
Another hunk of meat tossed to the conservatives.

This Bill.
Hunk of meat tossed to the entertainment industry to satisfy them.
Funny how this is the first time [or so I noticed] that porn is grouped with music, movies, and software. You'd think the government would want porn to be pirated, due to the supposed loss of income that results from piracey. That income loss just might deter porn producers from producing new stuff.

Way not just have the ISPs charge a fee?
I mean Bellsouth had no problem adding on a 3 dollar surcharge for an invisible government fee.
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Re: More chunks of meat to feed the dogs.

said by Snakeoil See Profile:
The last round of tax cuts and over time pay change.Meat tossed to the employers, and to those earning an hourly wage.
The rules shaft employees. And the tax cuts just gave out chump change to the working stiffs. This is graft for the top. A chunk of meat for the rich right.
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TwoCpus4me

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I doubt Hatch could even

get to his own website, assuming he even knows he has one or what it is.

richk_1957
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Here we go again

And there are people who will hear,listen but not understand.
All people will hear the words "Piracy", "Terrorist" and "Child Pornography" and they will say 'that must be stopped, at any cost'
I fail to see, how anyone who shares material [copyrighted or not] can be considered a terrorist. Some may say by sharing files they are destabilizing the economy, and that is a terrorist act. The only thing they are destabilizing is the business model of the RIAA & MPAA. Mostly the RIAA, whose business model is still in the 1970's - over 30 years out of date! File sharing isn't destabilizing it, time is!!
OK, maybe I can go with "Piracy", but not the way they portray it.
And I will definitely be against "Child Pornography", but how is sharing music files "Child Pornography"?!?!

The music industry doesn't want to change or be pressured
into changing their outdated ways, that's why they are giving so much money to politicians to propose these bills.
They call it 'contributions'. I think a closer word is 'bribes'.

Varangian

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Collinsville, IL

BOYCOTT

We want the sh*tballs off our and our neighbors backs.
Their product is overpriced and of sufficiently inferior quality that even lovely brittney spears cant sell it to teenage boys.
And now the hatch and his Fascists are going to force us to buy it?
Get your copy of the declaration of independence out and read it hatch. We will not tolerate this.

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said by Varangian See Profile:
even lovely brittney spears cant sell it
"lovely" ... oh my ... I must disagree. Vapidly sexy, yes - but nothing that approaches love. Shudder the thought.

Varangian

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Re: BOYCOTT

Hehe
Im a dirty semi-old man with a taste for silicone

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How bought off can they be?

They keep tripping over themselves to keep strengthing and increasing penalties for copyright laws, several times a year...

I mean the laws are already ironclad and fierce, and yet they keep expanding them and increasing their reach.

How bought are they? We need to be rolling BACK some of these laws not reaching further!
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Still

Still doesn't change the fact that the DMCA gives me a legal right to make a backup copy of things I legitimately own...

See 12 replies to this post

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They will stop at nothing

I need to buy a few politician's. Then all I have to do is call them when I want somethig to change. $175.000 is not bad to make my own laws.
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a law for everyone

I know of a law that would make thing so easy for everyone. Just force people to buy at least 1 cd a month. If the record companies lose money than the year proceeding it then the people would be required to buy an extra cd or 2 so the record companies profits would be equal to or more than the previous year. If the person can't afford to buy a cd then they can apply for a government program to help them pay for it.

Though this may sound far fetched, the way things are going it may happen. The politicians pockets are deep and getting deeper by the minute. All you need to do is donate a few thousand dollars and you'll have the politician on a leash and will listen to your every command.

As for P2P promoting pornography, the RIAA is biggest promoters of pornography and hate. Music can promote porn and hate just as much as a picture or book can. The only reason why the RIAA thinks it's ok if they do it cause they are making money from it. People will say that the RIAA wouldn't do that, promote porn and hate to our kids. I say money does change everything.
SilentMan

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Vote Him Out of Office!!

Is Hatch up for reelection? If so, why not you fellows from Utah make plenty use of your democratic rights and vote him out of office? Not enough Utahans to do that? how about a few thousands taking up temporary residence in that state, registering for voting and then go en mass to vote him out and after that, move back to wherever you came from? :):)

Seriously, now. This is the year when we must take control of our democracy away from corporate bandits. Check your representatives in Congress to see how much money they get from corporations and get out and vote them out of office.

This is the year when we need to clean up the United States Congress by putting people who will represent us and not the interest and profits of big corporations. So we have an opportunity in November and I am going to do my part. How about you??

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NoOneButMe

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Re: Vote Him Out of Office!!

Like i sead on Bush and high speed no point for high speed soon why push it

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Please Increase Riaa's Ability To Extort
TheGreatWill

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A new name

Why don't we just call the RIAA the 'inquisition' and be done with it? At least we'll acknowledge that are rights are being violated and at least we can act like appropriate dogs. Sure would like to ask an offical about this stuff one day.
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Here

Everyone that cares about Protecting your rights to copy things you own go here »protectfairuse.com/ . There is a easy way to send emails out to your congressman urging them to protect your rights.
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