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| Fantastic! That's great!
BPL may even force some cable/DSL Companies to lower their prices or to provide better service. To me, it's not HOW much I am paying, it's the quality of the service I recieve from both the Internet and the customer service.
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shaner
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Calgary, AB | Re: Fantastic! We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line. | |
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Psychephylax
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| Re: Fantastic! said by shaner  :
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
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shaner
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Calgary, AB | Re: Fantastic! Oh, I see. I forgot the US has DSL deployment issues. | |
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IGotThePower
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Dragasoni
We're All Mad Here
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Clearwater, FL
| Re: Fantastic! You forgot to mention that Candian's can drive either! You all drive slow in the left lane down here in Florida, and annoy me to hell.
I'll take our "DSL deployment issues" and you take a driving course! 
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en102
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join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | There are still quite a lot of areas in Ontario that don't have any form of broadband (DSL or Cable). I think hell will freeze over before they get dsl in White River, Ontario | |
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shaner
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| Re: Fantastic! said by en102 :
There are still quite a lot of areas in Ontario that don't have any form of broadband (DSL or Cable). I think hell will freeze over before they get dsl in White River, Ontario
Haha!! The brithplace of the true Winnie the Pooh!
White River is only a hop north of Thunder Bay. It's not out of the question DSL may be available there down the road. At the very least, Thunder Bay is the first municipality in Canada to attempt the whole BPL thing on a large scale. | |
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shaner
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Calgary, AB | Re: Fantastic! Yeah, within 200 miles of the border. With only 30 million people. The DC to Boston corridor has that many people. But I do understand what you're saying. | |
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Transmaster
Onward Through The Fog
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| I would suggest you check out the new DSLAM equipment being used by Qwest for their DSL deployment. »www.adtran.com I suspect this deployment is a, Look see we are deploying in the rural area, but they know in house they can't make any money out in the sticks they still need to muscle their way into urban markets to do this.
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| Re: Fantastic! I think that I read somewhere that degradable range on the native lines was in the 400 meters or just about 1300 feet -range without repeaters or additional amplifications. And extended coverages where an estimated 500 miles of line coverage (500 miles of actual line not a 500 mile range) Or about 4 times the basic DSL coverage cable lengths. I am not sure if this are true. Does anyone have a link to some specs? | |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
Lehighton, PA
| said by Nightfall :
said by rf_engineer :
said by Psychephylax :
said by shaner :
We've had that kind of DSL basic service for $29.95 here in Canada for a few years now. Through the phone line.
The problem is that you need to live close to the Central Office. People in rural locations do not have a CO next to them. Which is why it's not an option for them. BPL has a range of 500 miles which is significantly further than what DSL can provide.
The native range of BPL is not 500 miles, so you can't compare this figure to the range of DSL. BPL's range is around 200 meters without repeaters.
For BPL to cover 500 miles, you need the BPL equivalent of a DSLAM every 200 meters (a feedpoint), or repeaters in combination with a feedpoint.
From a technical standpoint, BPL is technically inferior to DSL and cable.
Do you have any links to the actual native range of BPL? Someone say 500 miles, you say 200 meters. I would like to read more about it. So far I haven't found any information on the actual range.
I think the 500 mile figure came from the article and it actually means they're going to light up 500 miles of line.
BPL uses radio energy on an unshielded medium, power lines. Unlike copper twisted pair (phone lines and DSL) or coaxial cable (Cable Modem), it severely attenuates and radiates radio signals on the line. So due to physics it can't carry the signal far without regeneration using repeaters.
I have yet to see a BPL equipment vendor publish their exact distances on the web, but some good information can be gleaned from the FCC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking comment filings »www.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/hyperlinks.html . An Ambient system in my area uses feedpoints every 100 yards or so. The exact distances are going to vary between vendors, but it's no where near 500 miles. If the same logic were applied to cable and DSL, all of Antarctica could have broadband next week  | |
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Norfolk, VA | Lets see....
500 miles
That's 2,640,000 feet
1 repeater every 1000 feet
at about $750.00 each
that's just short of 2 million bucks
2 million bucks worth of fiber would go a loooong way. | |
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shaner
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Calgary, AB
| Re: Fantastic! Well, more like 128/128. But yeah, there is a cap. I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?
I wasn't trying to slag the US in terms of DSL deployment. It's just surprising that a country as heavily populated and industrialised has problems getting DSL service. FYI, there are a lot of smaller rural communities here in Canada that get 3 meg DSL service. And I mean small. | |
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stateq2
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Jackson, MS
| Re: Fantastic! said by shaner :
Well, more like 128/128. But yeah, there is a cap. I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?
I wasn't trying to slag the US in terms of DSL deployment. It's just surprising that a country as heavily populated and industrialised has problems getting DSL service. FYI, there are a lot of smaller rural communities here in Canada that get 3 meg DSL service. And I mean small.
yep...the US has big problems w/ dsl deployment....which is why i switched to cable.
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| Re: Fantastic! The reason DSL "lite" or cable "lite" services are not deployed in the US is money. When a lite service is deployed most people take that service. For example, when someone calls to sign up for cable chances are they will choose the cheapest package. 99% of all signups when there is a tiered service go for the cheapest. | |
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digiblur
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join:2002-06-03
Louisiana
| said by shaner :
I guess I was wondering out loud in a round about kind of way why the DSL's in the States don't use a 'lite' type of service to lure people off of dial up?
They do.. I could get this here(if I actually had a POTS line)
For $29.95 a month:
* Up to 256Kbps downstream X 128Kbps upstream
* Dynamic IP, Static IP upgrade available
* 1 back-up dial account
* 5 mailboxes per account*
* 10MB storage per mailbox
* 10MB personal Web space | |
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Lurch77
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+44.88-87.89 | For me, it is how much I am paying, and the quality of service. | |
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WGM39
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Washougal, WA | Re: Thumbs up! I would agree that satellite is or should be last resort, I have satellite and would kill for something else, well may be not kill. | |
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Gambier, OH
| Re: Thumbs up! I am also out in the boonies (something like 22,000 ft (over 4 mi) from the CO) and looked into satelite but decided to go with ISDN so that I could play games. Haven't got it working yet (partially becaues I knew NOTHING when I started) but it is 128kbps (people usually get around 120 tho) and everyone says that online gaming is no problem with it (people play halo on xbox live with it and dont lag...). Maybe look into it if you want to do some gaming. Yeah, but this electric thing, AWESOME! Anyone ever seen that semi-recently released to rentals movie where the guy becomes CIA and they talked about the vulnerablity of their "ICE9" software being stolen through a virus through electrical outputs since there is no protection? Crazy! Its a conspiracy I tell you! Run!!! AHHHH!! [Gets up and runs full steam into a wall by accident and is knocked out]
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jmkraft
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Paris, IL | Re: Thumbs up! At least you can get ISDN - I can't get anything but a telephone, unless I want to buy a T-1 and I don't have $1400 per month to spend on a T-1. | |
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Gambier, OH | Re: Thumbs up! yeah, when you live then where I live with dial up pings in the 400's and you cant even stay in a game w/out being booted for lag, any ping below 200 looks mighty fine!
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San Francisco, CA | True, 256/256 is lot faster than IDSL. | |
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richk_1957
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Metairie, LA | Re: Thumbs Way Way DOWN
for the same price! either give me faster symetrical speed say 768/768 or asymetrical say 1500/256.. this sucks! | |
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92680 | Re: Thumbs Way Way DOWN Red Tape Slowing High-Speed Broadband city and gov Red tape puts Broadband progick on hold | |
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join:2002-01-26
Eustis, FL
| The idea is to provide a faster than dialup services to those who have no DSL/Cable options available.
If the only alternative was dialup, this would be a very viable option. Although, as soon as a DSL/Cable provider was available in the area, business would drop substantially. | |
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freightliner
join:2003-09-11
Granite Falls, WA | Re: Thumbs Way Way DOWN yeah, but there are folks who won't be getting the cable/dsl option for a very long time | |
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gruggni
Oxygen Gets You High
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Corpus Christi, TX
| why? Ok, so why does the whole world need internet again? I don't think everyone having internet access to their homes is such a great idea. Plus bpl knocks out shortwave and HF frequencies. FEMA doesn't like it. That should tell you something.
Why does farmer bob need internet? To Download porn until the corn fields are ready for harvest, but with bpl he can do it faster. HOORAY!! Slow dialup porn downloads are over. Thanks BPL.
How many more zombie machines do we need on the internet? Oh wait, this means more targets to bog down the RIAA and more DDOS attacks that will actually impact the worlds economy.
"It's the end of the world as we know it..." and you can download porn faster until you die.
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apsinkus
join:2002-06-25
Chicago, IL
| Hey HAMS, how about instead of bitching YOU find.. You know, even in the City of Chicago you can't get DSL in some places. So I can only imagine how hard it is to get anything more than ISDN in rural areas, no wonder some places have young people leaving the day they can. This great country will become a country of huge cities with burbs and nothing in between. Broadband is a major part of education and knowledge that helps people move up in life, you HAMs choose to just complain about how bad it will all be. Hey HAMS, since you are such vocal opponents, why don't YOU FIND the solution, since you are such great protectors of the RF and you are such innovators and saviors of the universe (judging from your posts how you save the world during disasters). Police and other agencies already blow huge amounts of money on equipment every day of the year, therefor there will be no impact on budgets anyway, since they will just spend on better technologies. Why the hell whole chunk of RF has to be protected just for a small fire or police department. Get f****g cellphones with PTT and give a subsidy to telecom to put in an extra tower in your area, in that case the tax payers will benefit too! When disaster hits, most of those power lines will be ripped up anyway, so there is no interference for you superhero HAMS.
I just think that you guys spent a whole bunch of money to lobby, now you are pissed that there are other people who got more money and do the job of moving politicians their way much better than your people do.
I am sorry, but I have to generalise, if I ever meet a non-pretentious and non-elitist HAM, I will apologise just to him or her, but since I haven't met one yet... I have no need to not generalise. | |
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w2co
join:2003-07-16
Longmont, CO
| 3Mb for $45/Mo. We have cable here at $45/Mo. with 3Mb down and 512Kb up.
Why would anyone here pay $30/Mo. for 256Kb when for 15 bucks more they can get 3Mb that's Three Mega Bit! At least that's whats being offered in the Colorado Front Range area. I feel for those who don't have cable or DSl in their areas, but I still say stay away from BPL, it's going to be a nightmare. Not worth the money and damage to radio comms just for a stinking 256K Bla Bla service that won't even be reliable - when the CBer next door keys up - you're off. | |
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freightliner
join:2003-09-11
Granite Falls, WA | ok - how ddo we get our utility to lobby it? BPL has been a dream of mine for a long time - since I bought my house in the sticks the only alternative is satellite and the upload speeds are useless.
Question is, does anyone know who we might call/write to get our utility to try this option? | |
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tenbase
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Alexandria, VA | Re: ok - how ddo we get our utility to lobby it? Wow you live in a small town! Isn't there a WISP there called Blue Spruce? | |
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