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(old news - 01:08PM Wednesday Mar 24 2004)
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As we mentioned last fall, supporters of municipal operations formed a united front to attempt to stop efforts to ban or hinder such projects. Usually backed by private industry fearing unfair competition, roughly a dozen different states currently have laws on the books that either prohibit or hinder community supported broadband operations.

The battle for the right to provide service was taken to the Supreme Court - and even though it could determine whether or not many areas see service - it has been ignored by nearly every major media outlet. We've been informed by Muni attorney Jim Baller (see our past interview) that today the Supreme Court has ruled against the municipals in this case, giving states the right to ban muni-operations.

Our previous story outlines the legal history of the battle. Simply put, the Eighth Circuit and the DC Circuit were in disagreement over municipal rights. Today's decision (zipped pdf) overturns the ruling made by the Eighth Circuit court in favor of municipal operations.

These bans on municipal services generally spring up in any region where private industry feels threatened by a community looking to wire itself for broadband, whether funded by taxpayer money or not. Utah's half-billion dollar UTOPIA community fiber project was recently threatened by such Qwest supported legislation.

The latest hotbed of debate over the issue has been Wisconsin, where the state recently faced its 11th attempt in four years by incumbent backed lawmakers to ban municipal operations from providing service. SBC supported Senate Bill 272, like its ten predecessors, aims to "level the competitive playing field" between muni operations and their corporate brethren.

Baller argues that court rulings in relevant cases have recognized that such "apple to apple comparisons" between incumbents and new entrants are fundamentally impossible (see Insight Communications V. City of Louisville .pdf ruling).

According to Baller, such "Fair Competition" laws "are heavily biased in favor of the incumbents, which did not face similar barriers to entry when they got started and also had little or no competition." He points to analysis by Tom Hazlett, former chief economist of the FCC, which argues that such attempts at a level playing field usually result in greater benefit to the entrenched monopolies and "surprisingly asymmetric consequences".

Regardless of one's position, the Supreme Court ruling indicates such legislation will be increasingly common. Baller admits he's "dissapointed" about the ruling but still hopeful, noting that "a victory in Missouri case would have been helpful, but it is by no means the end of the road."

"We also hope that state legislators everywhere will realize that, without the involvement of local governments, our Nation cannot achieve our national goal of rapid deployment of truly advanced and affordable telecommunications services and capabilities to all Americans, including those in rural and high cost areas," says Baller.

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SIGs, (Special Interest Groups)

run this damn country!
May as well make your IRS check out to Exxon..........
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Re: SIGs, (Special Interest Groups)

Nah exxon may actually make good use of it. Goverment waste it so much better.

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Nah exxon may actually make good use of it. Goverment waste it so much better.

How very true......

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Nah exxon may actually make good use of it.
Ever seen a corporation run on democratic principles? I don't know of any such animal.
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Re: SIGs, (Special Interest Groups)

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Ever seen a corporation run on democratic principles? I don't know of any such animal.

They have the most democratic system, period. 1 share, 1 vote. The more money you have invested, the more votes you have.

Perhaps you neglected the changes made in Corporate America during the 1980's concerning apartheid.

Perhaps you neglected the changes made in Corporate America during the 1990's concerning benefits for homosexual partners of employees.
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Re: SIGs, (Special Interest Groups)

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They have the most democratic system, period. 1 share, 1 vote.
That can vary significantly by corporation and type of stock. One corporation comes to mind where Class A has 0.209 votes per share and Class B has 15 votes per share.
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Re: SIGs, (Special Interest Groups)

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said by Beeper See Profile:
They have the most democratic system, period. 1 share, 1 vote.
That can vary significantly by corporation and type of stock. One corporation comes to mind where Class A has 0.209 votes per share and Class B has 15 votes per share.

Tis true, but you call always attempt to acquire B shares vs an A share, or buy 75 A shares.

Your money still talks. Ask Disney's CEO.
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They have the most democratic system, period. 1 share, 1 vote. The more money you have invested, the more votes you have.
Nevermind.
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Nah exxon may actually make good use of it.
that's the funniest thing i've ever heard.

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Nah exxon may actually make good use of it. Goverment waste it so much better.

This is true, if you invest in EXXON you will receive money back in dividends. When was the last time a city has given back money to anyone without kicking a screaming.
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I feel a small measure of disatisfaction with this decision. It's quite a blow to the consumer. I think it's unfair that service has been restricted to big business. It's so funny that in a country supposedly founded on democratic principles, the people seldom ever get what they want. It seems counter-intuitive that at every turn, what we get is exactly the opposite of what we collectively chose. Making our voice heard in this country is like ordering at McDonalds.
"I'll have one order of low-cost municipal broadband please."
"$59.95 broadband coming right up sir."
"No, I said low-cost broadband."
"Let me get the manager."
"What do I need a manager for? I just want broadband at a low-cost."
"Hi sir, I'm the manager here. I've been informed that you wanted our broadband package for $79.95."
"What? The other person said it was $59.95, that was too expensive anyway, what about the municipal broadband option?"
"I'm sorry sir. $110.95 broadband is the only package we have."

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Re: SIGs, (Special Interest Groups)

excellent "anal"ogy!....:D
Don't even try to order no pickles with that....

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I feel both the muni's and the special interests overstepped their bounds in this case. Muni's should have worked like any commercial business would, by working with the local competition rather than step all over their toes. Unfortunately, rather than fight back, it seems that special interest ran home, crying to mommy (US government) over what the big, bad, Muni's did to their precious customer base.

Both sides could have won over this one, but instead we're right back where we started.
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another reason...

...why I don't see the United States improving on our 11th place standing in the world for broadband.

Michael Powell, can you hear us now?

No, Michael only hears when industry speaks.

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Re: another reason...

The Supreme Court decision hinges extensively on the topic of Telecommunications. Where Chairman Powell could find himself between a rock and a hard place, if one were to view broadband as referring to high speed internet service, is the FCC position that broadband internet service (specifically cable internet) is not a telecommunications service. It would be interesting to see a legal opinion regarding the effect of this ruling on potential municipal offerings which do not contain a component currently viewed by the FCC as telecommunications.

In reference to the potentially related cases noted in the news item, it kind of leaves me wondering if this is yet another sign that corporate interests have the ability to enact legislation in spite of the will of the people, even at the State level.

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Damn you Qwest!

Damn you Michael Powell and your daddy!
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Re: Damn you Qwest!

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Damn you Michael Powell and your daddy!

At what point did either of the Powells get appointed to the Supreme Court?
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It's about the money.

It is always about the money.
What is good for the industries of America are good for the government and their ability to keep control; thus, the answers we receive.
What surprises me is that people are actually surprised at these outcomes. Broadband is not a government/industry priority. There are better things they can make money on.
Since heavy BB users are a minority - make that, a very small minority - in this country, it will be a long time before government/industry goes into fullscale deployment.
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Egads!

Dumbest. Decision. Ever.

Need I say more. So, we're going to have to rely on money-grubbing idiots who's sight is only limited to the bottom-line to wire up communities. Great.

Well, I hope we continue our downward trend in losing the broadband footrace in the world. Maybe then, someone will get off their duffs and help communities out.

This is moronic.
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Re: Egads!

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Dumbest. Decision. Ever.

Ever hear of the Dred Scott case?

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Chief Justice Roger Taney said blacks could not be citizens even if free because they were "beings of an inferior order and altogether unfit to associate with the white race" with "no right which the white man was bound to respect."

Get some perspective.
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Any Entity

means 'any entity that we want, not any entity that wants to'.

seemed cut and dry to me. any=any. some=some. select=select. now, the supreme court says 'any=select'? time to rewrite the dictionary.

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Re: Any Entity

said by dylking See Profile:
means 'any entity that we want, not any entity that wants to'.

seemed cut and dry to me. any=any. some=some. select=select. now, the supreme court says 'any=select'? time to rewrite the dictionary.

Not quite. It means any entity that isn't an extension of the state itself. Local community governments are extensions of the state government. The ruling simply was that there is no reason that a state government cannot regulate itself. This therefore declares the inclusion of municipalities in the definition of the words "any entity" as being unconstitutional.

The states are allowed to legally regulate their own governments and the extensions of the state governments. It's common sense. You all just don't like it because you hate the Bells and the cable companies.

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Re: Any Entity

You all just don't like it because you hate the Bells and the cable companies.
That's an assumption, at least regarding me. I don't hate them. I'm saddened to see alternatives stifled, but I don't have any particular animosity to the Bells. I haven't had cable in years, so I can't speak to their practices these days, other than what I read here.
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Build your own Network!

I keep telling you guys, the most obvious solution, is to build your own Network. The Community gets together, builds their Giga-Ethernet, and then shops for their Providers and picks the size of pipe they need from each. Then just sit back and watch all the Bozo's run around wondering what happened!

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Re: Build your own Network!

The special interest groups will soon find a way to ban this, too, if they haven't already.

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VICTIMS!!!

Once again, the cities and towns that want to FIX the damn problem are getting screwed.

If the voters in your town want to do this, the why the heck should the state care? Oh, that's right.....the lawmakers that push these Bell/Cable company bills are taking contributions from the incumbents.

See »www.opensecrets.org/industries/c···nd=C2200

and

»www.opensecrets.org/industries/c···?ind=B08

and

»www.opensecrets.org/industries/i···nd=C2200

and

»www.opensecrets.org/industries/i···?ind=B08

Geez this chaps my hide!

When will people finally figure out they're being had over and over by these pirates...
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Typical

If corporations hate it, it's usually good for consumers
8744675

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Muni's have one more ace in the hole

There's one more card the muni's can play. Instead of granting 1 private provider an exclusive franchise in their boundries, like most do with cable, they should open up their territory to any provider who want's to offer service.

Let's see what the Supreme Court has to say about allowing fair competition in the market place.

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Re: Muni's have one more ace in the hole

In reality, most cities don't grant exclusive franchises.

It's just that in most cases, a private sector overbuild can't be justified financially.

A muni overbuild many times can be justified because of additional uses for city buildings, schools, muni electric, muni water & muni gas utilities. It's that whole economy of scale, combined with the lack of corporate jets and golden parachutes, and the threat of actual local accountability that make muni builds work.
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Please....

Good job SP, just take away one more selection to folks that want broadband. This is a downright bummer.

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Read the D*MN DECISION!!!

Boy, it's be really nice if anyone would read the decision before ripping it apart.

First, we are a nation of laws--and that means (thank God) that courts don't decide every issue based just on what they think might be the best result, but on what is required by existing law and past decision. This both allows the significant decisions to be made by elected, not appointed, officials and provides some consistency of decisions.

Second, the logic of the Supreme Court makes sense. It says that states can prohibit munis from entering telecom because the munis are subdivisions of the state, which they are. (A state can dissolve, reform, merge, or otherwise modify its own municipalities. States control all factors of municipal life, from taxing authority to the means a muni uses to select its officials. Telling a state it couldn't control its cities would be like telling a corporation that it couldn't control its own subsidiaries--a bit of a stretch.)

I agree that it's a better result when munis are allowed to compete--but I'm not willing to throw out state control over political subdivisions just to get there. (Here in California, we have many situations where cities or school districts spend themselves blind, for example, and the state has to step in and take over.)

What's next if we say that States have no more control over cities and towns than they do corporations? Cities that decide to make money by publishing pornography (because the Federal government otherwise prevents states from interfering with a free press?)

Yes, some state legislatures are making poor decisions--and that's an indication that they are out of touch. Learn who your state legislator is, and contact them on this issue!

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Re: Read the D*MN DECISION!!!

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Second, the logic of the Supreme Court makes sense. It says that states can prohibit munis from entering telecom because the munis are subdivisions of the state, which they are.
A group of people in Podunk, Nebraska, who get together and vote to wire their small town of 100 with fixed wireless because their bell won't touch them - probably would wonder why you, or the state, have any right to limit that decision whatsoever.

The problem I think is when these municipal operations grow out of the scale of regional small-town politics...then I think there's some serious questions to be raised about unfair leverage.

Until that happens the only thing I see is industry buying out government in a pre-emptive move to prevent competition which ALWAYS forces improvements and rate reduction. That can be painted with whatever color you like.

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Re: Read the D*MN DECISION!!!

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A group of people in Podunk, Nebraska, who get together and vote to wire their small town of 100 with fixed wireless because their bell won't touch them - probably would wonder why you, or the state, have any right to limit that decision whatsoever.
That might be OK if the dollars were limited to the 100 people in Podunk, but no project like this operates in a total vacuum. The government bonds that are typically used to pay for these operations are issued and backed by state and Federal governments or are at least indirectly supported by them...so as soon as you leave town for your money, all those other entities will want (and should have) a vote. You can't have it both ways: Don't ask an outside source to support your cause and then crab when that outside source demands a say in what you do.

Furthermore, Kaltes is right: The states have authority over municipalities. Like it or not, that is the law.

And here I go, banging the official "mocycler libertarian drum": If you kept government money out of the loop in the first place, none of this would be an issue. The good people of our hypothetical town of Podunk who actually want broadband could all open their collective wallets, build a private network, and tell outsiders to buzz off. And I doubt the state or the Big Bad Bell would even notice, much less care. The less you ask the government to help, the less likely it is the government will interfere.

Heck, they could string fiber along their fence posts and not tell anyone!

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Karl,

Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, is stopping the 100 people in Podunk from "getting together" and deciding to wire their town with fixed wireless.

What is being stopped is their ability to use local government (and its taxing power) as a vehicle to do it. Heck, let them set it up as a cooperative non-profit.

Some state legislatures have decided that municipal government should focus on other things (presumably like police, fire, garbage collection, etc.) I don't agree with those legislatures, especially since I think they have all made that determination for the wrong reason and since they let local government waste far more money on other things I consider to be less worthwhile.

However, that said, I am not willing to strip states of their ability to control their political subdivisions just because I don't agree with some of the decisions they've made.

If this issue (using local government to run broadband businesses) is so important to the citizens of Podunk, let them take it up with their state legislature. (Since Nebraska has the only unicameral legislature in America, this should be easier for them than most others.)

Of course, for all those people who are sure that they know how to govern Nebraskans better than the elected representatives in Nebraska, you're free to try to convince Nebraskans to accept you as their dictator.

We live in a democratic republic, and that doesn't mean always doing things your way, or always doing things the way you think is "clearly right." It means doing things the way our elected representatives decide. It particularly means letting other states do things the way they want to, not the way you think they should be done. Accepting that fact, and working politically to change outcomes you don't like, is part of growing up.

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Re: Read the D*MN DECISION!!!

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We live in a democratic republic
Ironic you should say that and yet support a bell lobbied concept that supports throwing the vote of an entire community and all of their elected representatives in the toilet. The state has no interest truly in banning these podunk operations. The push comes from industry! If the Republic puts private industry at the head of the totem pole, you'd have a point.

Click Network! WORKS. It has brought AMPLE competition that would have otherwise never appeared throughout Washington.

I see your point, I simply don't agree. I think small governments, particularly those looking to liven up their local economies and lure industry, should have every opportunity to get into the broadband business if the community VOTES FOR IT, just like every other local improvement the state could care less about.

This isn't some noble attempt to preserve Democratic process, it's a calculated push by big business to eliminate a potental future competitor while they're still in the larval stage.

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Re: Read the D*MN DECISION!!!

I understand you don't agree, but I don't see any irony in my position.

The decision to prohibit Nebraska munis from competing WAS made by a democratically elected representative body--the Nebraska legislature.

If you find it "ironic" that smaller units of government often differ from their larger companions, whether it be local/state or state/federal, you see a lot more irony in life than I do.

Fundamentally, the base unit of American Government is the state. 13 of them got together and created a federal government of limited powers, so there is a frequent degree of tension there.

On the other hand, Podunk, Nebraska is a creation of the Nebraska government, and exists only because Nebraska allows it to. Saying that the Federal government should bestow rights on Podunk directly really tangles with the way government works.

I know Click Network works, and I have said several times I think Nebraska is wrong--but just because a business model works or because some large number of us self-appointed broadband experts think that something is a great idea is no reason to say that the feds should run state government.

If there's any irony here, it's in you saying that one level of government (state) shouldn't tell a smaller level of government (local) what to do, and the way to prevent that is to have one level of government (federal) tell a smaller level of government (state) what to do.

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