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join:2001-10-18
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| Good thing I didn't get Dish yet Been thinking of getting Dish network. The lose of MTV is no big thing but the others may make me put off my choice longer.
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join:2002-09-21
Independence, OH
| Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet said by ddavtian  :
This is amazing, what kind of B.S. is this, we have DirecTV and saw the message scroll on number of channels, MTV, BET, etc. I think this is something that Dish will regret, people will drop them like a bad habit and they should. This is pure B.S.
Consider this. The contract that your provider, DirectTV has with Viacom will come up for negotiation next year. Based soley upon your attitude I hope Viacom hits DirectTV with a HUGE rate increase and that DirectTV passes it on to you.
Me, I will stand by Dish. They are fighting to keep my rates low. Nothing wrong with that. | |
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join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
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| Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet If I remember correctly this did happen with Comcast a few years back but it was with Disney. Ecostar is doing the right thing. Everytime we complain because cable companies are raising rates its because companies like Viacom try to force cable and satellite companies to carry stations they don't want to carry.
Additionally, everytime some major league athelete or popstar gets some outrageous contract with millions, the owner of that contract passes on the cost to cable and satellite companies who ultimately pass it onto customers.
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rottnpup
join:2000-08-04
Minneapolis, MN
| It's not Charlies standing up for what he thinks is right that irritates me.........its Charlies throwing me a $1 month credit on my $60 a month bill that does!
Our family has lost some of its most watched channels and $1 is nothing but an insult!
Now if I understand this correctly Viacom originally wanted to raise the rate by 6%. Now Charlie is not giving me these channels anymore therefore crediting me $1 a month!
(Must be what he is paying for the Viacom Channels because that is what he is crediting me for not having them)
Now 6% of $1 is 6 cents, now just two months ago Charlie raised my monthly rate by $3 a month! Now that would amount to only 2% of Charlies last monthly increase!
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J Dilla
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join:2003-03-27
Jackson, MS
| Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet said by rottnpup :
It's not Charlies standing up for what he thinks is right that irritates me.........its Charlies throwing me a $1 month credit on my $60 a month bill that does!
Our family has lost some of its most watched channels and $1 is nothing but an insult!
Now if I understand this correctly Viacom originally wanted to raise the rate by 6%. Now Charlie is not giving me these channels anymore therefore crediting me $1 a month!
(Must be what he is paying for the Viacom Channels because that is what he is crediting me for not having them)
Now 6% of $1 is 6 cents, now just two months ago Charlie raised my monthly rate by $3 a month! Now that would amount to only 2% of Charlies last monthly increase!
I am sorry but I am having a hard time understanding the numbers of logic here??
Dish network charges $45 a month for 180 channels. That's about $0.25 per channel....so IMO, they should be giving us about $2 off the bill each month (and free premium channels for a couple months would be a nice bonus  )
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| Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet "A one dollar refund is not chump change when you multiply that by the number of customers. That's almost ten million dollars for 36 hours of lost programming!"
Charlie, is that you posting in this forum? One dollar IS an insult. I'd rather them give $10 million to one lucky DISH viewer than insult me with a buck. Then he has the audacity to come on "Charlie Chat" and say we've had customers say "Forget the Viacom Channels, I'm going to pocket this dollar!" like he'd won the lottery. Let me put this way, if my own Grandmother gave me a dollar these days for my birthday, I'd tell her -like I'm telling Charlie now- keep the dollar and go buy yourself some dignity. | |
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| All I want to know is who pulled the plug? Viacom says Dish Network pulled it's channels and Dish Network says Viacom legally prevented them from airing the channels. So which is it? If it's Dish, I'm definitely changing carriers. If it's viacom, I don't know what I'll do -they got me by the cahoonies 'cause they're mainly all we watch.
PS. Don't shed a tear for Dish ...They're not fighting for the little guy -They're fighting to line their pockets. They're already about $10 higher monthly than Direct TV which is why I'm probably going to switch carriers regardless of who pulled the channels. | |
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@mindspring.com | Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet DISH: Digital Home plan with AT100, 2 Receivers (The second with not all the features as the first),+ Locals = 49.98 standard.
Direct TV: 3 Receivers, Same channels, + Locals = 39.99 Standard.
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| Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet I got those prices from A)my DISH network bill and posted it verbatim as it is described in writing on the back of the bill. B)For Direct TV I have what you have -but not the $4.99 per each additional TV. Hence, for the same money, I'll come out ahead 1 receiver with programming ...Unless there's more fine print I'm missing.
PS. You answered my question which I posted in earnest: According to your info it was VIACOM who "pulled the plug" and if I had a way to stick it to them, I certainly would. Both companies are in the wrong however, because in no other business would the customers be involved in such a manner. Just bad business all around. | |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| said by ddavtian :
This is amazing, what kind of B.S. is this, we have DirecTV and saw the message scroll on number of channels, MTV, BET, etc. I think this is something that Dish will regret, people will drop them like a bad habit and they should. This is pure B.S.
At least somebody has the guts to stand up to the likes of Viacom and their ilk. Dish Network has been extremely fair to its customer base with regards to prices over the last few years. This falls more on the hands of Viacom's insatiable greed rather than Dish Network's resistance to be extorted.
I hope Dish Network refuses to let Viacom back, ever. If they did this, I swear that I would start an account with Dish Networks for their basic package, even though my apartment faces northward and I would never be able to get a signal. Seriously. Go Dish Networks! | |
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Premium
join:2001-12-29
Westland, MI | Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet While I tend to agree, is anyone else wondering why Showtime and The Movie Channel haven't come into play in this little spat? While these premium channels are likely under a separate contract, both are owned by Viacom. | |
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join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet The channels in dispute are more or less "freebies" I think... Dish, DirecTV, and most cable companies offer channels like Nickleodean, Comedy Central, and the others affected by this in their "standard" (not cable's most basic, required) package. | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2002-10-10
Freehold, NJ | Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet Has nothing to do with tiers or packaging. It simply has to do with which channels were up for renewal. For example, TV Land and Spike TV are similar Viacom channels, but they didn't go dark because the contract didn't run out on them. | |
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| You can put off your choice now. But you have to remember that this might happen again with another supplier such as Comcast, DirectTV, Cox, and so on.
I think everyone is waiting for the court decision. If it goes in favor of DISH, then consumers win. If it goes Viacom's way, then be ready for the battles.
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pepperhead
join:2001-10-18
Bowling Green, KY
| Part of the reason I was going to go to dish is to save money. One of the channels I really wanted to get was TV Land. I could care less about most of the other Viacom channels. If they move some of the channels up a tier or lower their prices I might get them anyway. I am tired of the media conglomerates making underwater basket weaving channels and using their power to force them on cable and satellite providers.
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join:2002-11-09
Manville, NJ
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| Looks like the stock market is making it's vote..
Some tech companies did manage to push ahead. Shares of EchoStar Communications added 77 cents, or 2.3%, to $34.95 on Nasdaq. The satellite- television company removed Viacom-owned channels from its Dish Network system in 16 markets in response to a dispute over programming fees. Viacom channels include CBS affiliates, Comedy Central, MTV and Nickelodeon. Class A shares of Viacom dropped 40 cents, or 1%, to $39.18 on the Big Board. | |
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cjynx
Whatchu Talkin' Bout
join:2003-01-13
Pittsburgh, PA
| I think I read somewhere that Dish raised their prices by $3 sometime over this past year. CBS/Viacom wanted 6 pennies of that $3 and Dish said no. I don't think giving them 6 pennies would have raised the rates to the customer. I don't have a dish and never will, but its just my two cents, now someone just needs 4 more and they can get back their missing channels. | |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet said by cjynx :
I think I read somewhere that Dish raised their prices by $3 sometime over this past year. CBS/Viacom wanted 6 pennies of that $3 and Dish said no. I don't think giving them 6 pennies would have raised the rates to the customer. I don't have a dish and never will, but its just my two cents, now someone just needs 4 more and they can get back their missing channels.
That's certainly one spin.
Read both sides of the story, first is Viacom's(the version you heard), followed by Dish Central's:
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join:1999-10-02
Littleton, CO
| If it was just 6 cents per subscriber don't you think Charlie would have signed the contract. Or do you think that Charlie would reimburse the subscribers $1 or $2 that have local CBS and the other Viacom channels? I for one don't see that. Channels were pulled from 15 or 16 markets. Now why is it that CBS is still broadcasting in about 90 other markets. Because, Viacom wants more money than what it is costing for the other 90 Markets.
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join:2003-12-17
South Weymouth, MA
| Personally my problem with good old Charlie is that he feels that these channels are not "important" enough as per his own words via a Charlie Chat. For those of us that have children, we know that while Nickelodeon may not be "important" to him...it is one of the few channels that will keep our kids interests.
When did he decided was was important for my family?
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join:2002-06-25
Pearl, MS
| I recomend everyone purchase directv with tivo. The tivo unit is only $99 and the dual tuners, which allow you to watch one channel while another records or record two programs at once, are great. I currently receive the premium package, all channels, for $85 (They give me $20 off a month). When you are a subscriber for at least six months you can receive great deals. | |
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join:2001-10-18
Bowling Green, KY
| Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet said by obladi6703 :
I recomend everyone purchase directv with tivo. The tivo unit is only $99 and the dual tuners, which allow you to watch one channel while another records or record two programs at once, are great. I currently receive the premium package, all channels, for $85 (They give me $20 off a month). When you are a subscriber for at least six months you can receive great deals.
The reason most people are going to dish to save money. What you are suggesting would raise my rates. I know tivo's are great and all but I don't watch that much TV to justify owning one and most movie channels show movies I have no interest in.
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join:2002-09-16
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clubs: | whos want to record sponge bob for me>? this is ridiculous, im glad they have the balls to stand up to viacom, but i want my sponge bob damit! | |
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g3ddylee
join:2002-12-09
Lincoln Park, NJ | Re: Good thing I didn't get Dish yet Well
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join:2001-02-27
Garden Grove, CA
| If Viacom is charging Echostar a whole lot more than what Disney, GE/NBC, and Turner do, then Viacom is in the wrong. IF that is not the case, then Dish Net may have some "xplainin'" to do.
In any case, Dish Net customers are "likely" TV viewers. After all, they did pay for it. Not everyone who owns a TV watches it. Cable and dish customers definitely will! Advertisers know this. Not a good year so far for Viacom. NFL ditches MTV as their Super Bowl entertainment cooordinator, Martha Stewart, & now this move by Dish Network.
Other than CSI, what else does CBS has to offer? MTV stinks and spongebob is decaying kids minds worse than Elmo. New South Park episodes are harder to find than Saddam was. What are we really missing with Viacom shows anyways?
By the way, I got a friend who has had a dish since the mid 80s. It's the old giant type, not the mini-dishes that are out now. Anyways he picks up everything. Gotta talk to that fella | |
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Sarick
It's Only Logical
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join:2003-06-03
USA
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| Still upset over the PVR to DVR rip off fee.
People talk about a $3 per month increase?
They still haven't figured out that the DVR systems are based on a $4-$6 a month just for having fast forward, pause, rewind and record.
Comparable to buying a VCR then paying for a remote control service fee for the new VCR you own! No the VCR doesn't require special access to the VCR manufacture outside the standard models it just has a V-Chip or something installed.
The people with TiVo by a service that logs all the channels and timezones. The Dish network has the channel listing by default. Yet it cost more for a dish system that has DVR hardware over a standard system. TiVo users pay for guide services.
Fact is DVR owners get charged $48-$72 more per year. Unless they are on the everything package. Others are willing to buy enough junk to cover the $5 fee.
I'm still using a PVR device, they can KEEP their feedthepig DVR systems.
It's only greed if it effects Charlie's bottom line and it's someone else wanting the increase.
They still haven't fixed the rare condition when all my channels go black. Had something to do with sending me refurbrished LNBA where I paid for a NEW unit.
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join:2001-03-13
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join:2001-01-31
Grapevine, TX
·Verizon FIOS
| I have had Dish for 4 years, and its not the loss of the few channels that irks me. It was listening to him talking to his call in customers. Especially the woman who complained the customer service rep hung up on her. I couldn't help but notice that old Charlie addressed the channel issue, but did not address the fact that one of his employees hung up on one of his customers. Sad way to look at business. I'm pulling the plug in the morning. | |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Poor ole Charlie said by petermeyers :
I have had Dish for 4 years, and its not the loss of the few channels that irks me. It was listening to him talking to his call in customers. Especially the woman who complained the customer service rep hung up on her. I couldn't help but notice that old Charlie addressed the channel issue, but did not address the fact that one of his employees hung up on one of his customers. Sad way to look at business. I'm pulling the plug in the morning.
Obviously a loss of a major channel is a bit more important than some dolt making twelve dollars an hour at customer service that hung up on a customer. Charlie Chats are something that you will never get with whatever service floats your boat. The CEO is actually talking to the customers and you belittle this man. You think the CEO of any other cable or satellite company would give you the time of day, much less keep the customers informed about situations regarding your service?
This is stupid. Almost like saying you don't like the way the lifeguard swam over to save your child's life.
Good luck with your new service. Hope it gives you half the trouble Dish Network did. | |
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More clear QAM channels, please
join:2001-10-10
Edison, NJ
| For those that don't have Dish Network Don't think this can't happen to any of us. Remember the Disney/Time Warner dispute back in 2000 and the Cablevision/YES dispute of 2002-03. All non-broadcast commercial programming should be a la carte meaning we as the consumers should be able to pick and choose what programming we want to watch. | |
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More clear QAM channels, please
join:2001-10-10
Edison, NJ | Re: For those that don't have Dish Network I would also say that to those that were affected that want to see their local CBS station, you could always hook up the rabbit ears (yea, I'm showing my age) or get a small B&W TV for under $20. | |
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join:2003-06-10
Ronkonkoma, NY | As always It comes down to greed so the consumer has to suffer. That means No MTV,VH1,Spiketv,CBS,Nickelodeon,Nick at night and some others. Echostar and Viacom better come up with a compromise. | |
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join:2002-03-19
Cary, NC
| Re: As always Actually, Spike TV (and CMT) are still airing (Dish Network customer since 1998 here.) As SpikeTV was originally owned by some company based out of Nashville, and was only recently purchased by Viacom, the residual contract is still in place and will be for quite some time.
I support Dish Network and CEO Charlie Ergen all the way in this. I'm glad someone has finally stood up to these media conglomerates. In the end, Viacom loses. Dish TV has about 8-9% of the National Television Market. That's an awful lot of advertising dollars. | |
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
| Charlie Ergen Charlie has been fighting the big boys for decades. He started out as a small company selling large dish satellite
system to people in the Denver area. From the very beginning he was fighting with the Networks for the rights of people to receive TV via his systems. Of course he was doing this to be able to sell people his systems but never the less he was one of the first to do this. He built his business from nothing to where it is today. If anyone can
stare down Viacom it's him. I support Charlie all the way.
He keeps his promises. I remember at the hearings to deregulate the cable industry. Charlie was there. One of the Alaskan Senators wondered is Echostar could help Alaska
with television. Charlie told the Senator please I will meet with you on the issue at anytime. The result of which is Alaska has a state network for the Native American Population and local TV stations broadcast to Alaskans via Echostar's. Nobody else cared.
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join:2002-01-09
Atlanta, GA | Good riddance I don't watch any Viacom programming anyway. They lost me when VH1 started "glorifying" criminals with their show "Music Behind Bars". They did not seem to care about the feelings of these criminals' victims. So, GOOD RIDDANCE!!! | |
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No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | I hope this is a trend, i dont have dish, but i would be happy if all those channels where gone, except comedy. MTV is by far, the biggest waste of programming.
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Xm 60's On 6 Freak
Premium,MVM
join:2002-12-07
Morganton, NC
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|  Customers need to call in droves
I think that all Dish customers should call Dish and CBS and complain loudly to both.
If I were a Dish customer, that is exactly what I would do, and I would tell both that they need to work their differences out to the benefit of the customers.
Then I would give Dish until the end of the current month, or I would cancel my subscription fee, and dare then to try to charge me a cancellation fee.
I would base that dare on the removal of channels which were part of my decision making process when I decided which satellite service to subscribe to. Had some of those channels not been available at the time or subscription, then I would not have taken that service.
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join:2001-09-03
Grandville, MI | Re: Customers need to call in droves Dish is offering $1 credit per month for users affected. I am a Dish customer and support them all the way. I don't want Viacoms garbage anway. | |
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join:2004-01-09
97888 | Re: Customers need to call in droves i totally agree I don't care for the channels that were lost and make no significant view changes in my household. i just hope that when it is settled that we don't pay more or even get more of the same Ilk-styled channels... | |
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Bite My Shiny Metal Ass
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
clubs: | You wouldn't be able to call them even if you wanted to. All telephone circuits to the phone numbers 1-212-258-8000 and 1-212-258-6000 are busy. Guess they are really getting slammed now. YAY!
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220, 221, Whatever It Takes.
Premium
join:2000-11-08
Mechanicsburg, PA
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| mtv sucks anyway good riddance! youre not missing anything worth watching or hearing for that matter. what does suck is them messing around with channel lineup. i had a dish a few years ago but when they tried to screw me over on a billing issue, i took my business elsewhere.
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Yay, I have FIOS
join:2001-08-13
Orchard Park, NY
·VoicePulse
·Verizon FIOS
| That's not a loss I wouldn't consider not having MTV as a loss. It's an opportunity for Echostar to replace that channel with better programming.
This is going to end badly for consumers.
Customers will first complain to Echostar by singing "I want my MTV." Echostar will buckle under the pressure from it's customers submitting to the corporate greed of Viacom. Then within the year Echostar will raise rates, at which point customers will complain again.
I recently received notice that DirecTV is raising their rates (probably in response to the increasing Viacom rates) Perhaps I'll switch to DISH. I've been seeing a great number of commercials for them on DirecTV. 
The part that annoys me is that carriers have to pay to get the programming channels. Then consumers are ripped off by having to watch commercials on channels that they (indirectly) pay for.
As an FYI to Echostar consumers there is another option you all have: »www.skyangel.com/ can be picked up with DISH network satellite equipment.
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join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: That's not a loss I agree with your post. I got my increase from Comcast in December. And just last month when I went to my local Comcast office to downgrade from digital to basic, there were two others doing the same thing.
Cable rates are getting too damd expensive for what I get. That means I don't get to see Sopranos anymore but .......... thats not a priority of mine. | |
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join:2001-10-18
Bowling Green, KY
| Re: That's not a loss Cable rates are getting too damd expensive for what I get. That means I don't get to see Sopranos anymore but .......... thats not a priority of mine.
You should do what I am doing. Drop your movie channels and wait for the whole season to come out and DVD and rent it. Not only does the cable company get less of your money but the picture quality is way better.
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