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I can't get myself to go away.
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| Re: Anyone surprised? said by en102  :Most of my server stuff gear up being Intel. May be true, but what Carbidyne was saying is that Dell DOES sell computers with AMD processors in 'em. And IMHO if THAT'S not enough to keep them afloat, they're doomed no matter what. | |
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| Re: Anyone surprised? Its not just the CPU though. They used to be enthusiest friendly, and the nvidia IGP boards were an extreme value for the money, when it came to a general use or media player box.
Then they turned their backs on the overclockers, started in with Intel style hype (over nothing), and bought nvidia's only competitor.
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| You called it. ATI is an anchor around AMD's neck. What could have possibly been their plans?
Nobody wants CPU/GPU combo chips unless they're $2 ea due to their awful performance history. Have they even designed a controller to go with it or are they leaving that to someone else, like NVidia?
Another issue, NVidia used to be friendly to AMD. There always seemed to by some sort of symbiosis, in that so many custom gaming systems were AMD/NVidia setups.
It's like their goal is to eliminate any competition with Intel.
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| "Slot A"? You're a few years behind there. Up until Intel came out with Core 2, Intel was badly behind the curve. AMD is currently in the position Intel was with the end of the P4, lame excuses for dual core CPUs. It is because of AMD that Intel finally realized that Mhz wasn't the only measure of CPU power. Intel isnt too far ahead, though AMD needs to dump or fix Phenom soon or that will be the case. The last thing we need as customers is for Intel to be the only performance CPU maker. | |
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said by JakCrow : The last thing we need as customers is for Intel to be the only performance CPU maker. Double Agreed on that! | |
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| However, Core has been a blockbuster for Intel. In fact, the Core microarchitecture is popping up in places you wouldn't have expected to find Intel *anything* even two years ago. I'm not just talking desktops, but HPC workstations and servers (lest anyone forget, every XEON is Core-based), laptops, notebooks, UMPCs, even Macs (from super-lightweight to ultra-heavyweight). Core hasn't just clobbered AMD; Core is also directly responsible for chasing National Semiconductor out of the general-purpose CPU business entirely. Core 2 has simply extended Intel's lead to the supremely silly; Intel is now basically competing with *itself*. Intel is at the point where they are getting ready to EOL a processor that is too powerful for general-purpose use that is priced for for such use (I'm referring to the Q6600, formerly known as Kentsfield; a server processor in desktop clothing at desktop-processor prices.)
Yes; AMD is in serious trouble, but it can't blame all its woes on the acquisition of ATI Technologies; besides, ATI had their own issues (competing with nVidia) that simply could not be wished away. nVidia hasn't exactly had a walk in the park; the short supply of 8800GT GPUs (and the issues with their own 6-series chipsets) didn't help their positioning as an Intel-chipset alternative.
Motorola? The one area where Motorola *may* be in trouble is their cell handset business (thanks to the encroachment of LG and Samsung at the low end, and Apple's iPhone at the high end); however, Motorola still occupies the solid midrange with the RAZR and RAZR2 lines and their derivatives. Moto may actually be the most likely of the four companies to survive either mostly or completely unchanged (also Moto still has the cash cow of their broadband business, especially cable modems and STBs, not to mention their mobile communications business, none of which will be going away anytime soon). Moto's ace-in-the-hole (as far as their cell-handset business)? Believe it or not, it's the CDMA handset business (specifically with VZW), where the RAZR and variants show no signs of slowing up.
Sprint is under fire (but not due to Motorola), primarily due to encroachment from VZW and (somewhat) AT&T Mobility. Sprint has to find a way to re-differentiate itself as a carrier (in a positive way); unless it does, it's screwed. | |
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| Re: Anyone surprised? said by PGHammer :However, Core has been a blockbuster for Intel. In fact, the Core microarchitecture is popping up in places you wouldn't have expected to find Intel *anything* even two years ago. I'm not just talking desktops, but HPC workstations and servers (lest anyone forget, every XEON is Core-based), laptops, notebooks, UMPCs, even Macs (from super-lightweight to ultra-heavyweight). Core hasn't just clobbered AMD; Core is also directly responsible for chasing National Semiconductor out of the general-purpose CPU business entirely. Core 2 has simply extended Intel's lead to the supremely silly; Intel is now basically competing with *itself*. Intel is at the point where they are getting ready to EOL a processor that is too powerful for general-purpose use that is priced for for such use (I'm referring to the Q6600, formerly known as Kentsfield; a server processor in desktop clothing at desktop-processor prices.) I don't understand this. Why wouldn't Intel have used their current CPU tech in these devices? Both Intel and AMD have always done this, so it's a non-issue. And the first run of Core wasn't that great and didn't do dual core and couldn't even do decent dual CPU. Like I said, their roles are currently reversed. I think AMD will eventually come out with something that will leapfrog Intel. It's not like there isn't a history of this happening. | |
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| Yes Dell does sell AMD but the majority of their "performance" systems and the sleek XPS systems are Intel and they mainly push Intel. I don't think I've seen a single Dell TV ad without the Intel inside logo. That said I'm on a Dell Inspiron 1501 which is powered by AMD.
On Dell's site, when you narrow down the laptops by processor 5 are Intel, 3 are AMD.
But it still comes down to how much the OEM pushes either processor and right now AMD plays second fiddle in the majority of Dell's lineup. | |
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| said by en102 : A Sprint/Alltel merger would be good. IMHO Verizon Wireless does have the cash and would bid up the price just to keep Sprint from getting Alltel. A Sprint/Alltel merger won't occur unless Alltel's owners think Sprint is willing to pay significantly more than Verizon Wireless would. | |
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| Re: Anyone surprised? Alltel was a better target, since they have lots and lots of area that isn't overlapped with Verizon Wireless. Remember, if Alltel+Verizon Wireless in same area, no GSM in the area (Alltel runs GSM for roamers in some areas, inherited from one company they bought). Only chance of GSM is urban Tmobile/Cingular on 1900, which always means bad to no reception in rural areas.
Alltel was taken private I belive, it can't be bought anymore. | |
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| I think its time sprint either spin off Nextel and sell it off or sell of sprint to raise some cash and stick to one product or even intergrate the whole thing taking the best features and selling one company or the others name and products to stay afloat.
I don't think Alltel having gone private wants to do any deals other than if they did decide to grow, make an offer to sprint instead of sprint offering to buy Alltel.
Sprint is in no position unless they sell off one of there products.
ATT & Verizon are the walmarts of BELLS (seek and devour) Sprint is looking more and more like the underdog. Remeber Woolworths?
Mergers are the only thing that is going to keep these guys afloat. Need more money and bigger foot print and customers and you have to have the investors behind you with the Cash. | |
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| Sprint has screwed up big time.
Analysts have suggested a proper WiMax backhaul network within the larger cities could save Spring up to 20 billion dollars in backhaul fees. They never went for it for some reason. WiMax can provide a fault tolerant non line of sight backhaul network for cellular calls. | |
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| Not at all, funny thing is that Yaesu got some high profile selling radio to NYC and Motorola apparently started to look into merger.
Things have been quiet at Motorola, but I am curious about the Merger that was to take place, but Motorola and Samsung it is a possibility.
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As for Sprint which did not know how to manage the Nextel system because greed of Foresee was present in only becoming a notch higher on the belt of having more customers. And now is killing what was a great company and definitely in trouble as layoffs are looming. I would be surprised if Sprint would be able to acquire anyone, but maybe the layoffs are part of putting yourself in a better position of being able to go after something else.
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They both suck, we're so screwed
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| Re: Anyone surprised? Merging with NextHELL was the death of Sprint.
Nextel had a fantastic product back in the 2000-2002's. Then, all hell broke loose.
Nextel is a cursed company for some reason.
When Sprint ate Nextel, they got Nextel's disease.....
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| Re: Anyone surprised? said by BillTager :Sprint had plenty of its own ailments long before Nextel came along. To be honest, I didn't pay much attention to Sprint before the merger and I was a Nextel customer at the time the merger went down.
Towards the end of my Nextel contract, I was counting the days until I could get out. That was about 3 years ago. Nextel had become nothing short of a train wreck. Customer service was beyond agonizing, the phones would constantly "reboot" and lose connection. Using direct connect was like walking into a closed door in the dark.
One of my employers still uses Nextel for car to car communications. The service is so un usable, most of the time we carry our personal cell phones and contact each over via the same. The only reason we even sign the Nextels out is the chief tells us we have to. Other than that, they go mostly un used over the course of a shift.
I'm sure Nextel has SOME satisfied users, but every time I try and DC someone at work and get that agonizing "user not available" tone I thank God I've left Nextel squarely in my past...
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| Re: Anyone surprised? said by tc1uscg :said by BillTager :Sprint had plenty of its own ailments long before Nextel came along. Yep.. it was it's WIRELESS division. The LTD and WIRELINE side was doing great before Wireline/Wireless became one. Then, the WHOLE company looked like crap and still does.  A big thanks of recognition from legacy Wireline!.
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| AMD has some big problems. They aren't likely to survive much longer without some radical changes.
I kinda like the idea of IBM picking up AMD. Doubt it will happen, IBM has been moving away from products and into services for awhile now, but, IBM and AMD have collaborated in the past.
I really don't want to see AMD fold up and we be left with Intel as king for CPU's and Nvidia as king for graphics cards. That just means we'll get taken for a ride on computer hardware, like the past....
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| Seems everyone is missing the big picture. Yahoo!, Ford motor, & Citigroup are also mentioned in the article.
The common thread is all of these American companies can only be bought by foreign companies. Last year, foreign investors poured a record $414 billion into securing stakes in American companies, factories and other properties through private deals. Including major positions & future options in every major Wall street investment firm, U.S. Banks, and other Fortune 1000 companies.
Chinese, Koren, and Indian investors are buying our empty foreclosures in blocks of 500 for future rentals.
We offshored most manufacturing/production over the past 25 years.
We imported cheap service labor/poverty over the past 20 years.
Now we are being forced to sell off many of our remaining U.S. business assets.
We are currently the largest debtor nation the world has ever seen.
We as Americans will see the day soon, very soon, where don't own or produce jack shit. We will just be little TeeeVeee watching consumer-bots cashing our service job checks down at the corner Bank of Saudi...wondering WTF happened.
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join:2004-01-17
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| Doubt It 1. AMD - Intel needs AMD as much as anyone. They are the only two competitors in the mainstream processor market. Not sure exactly what will happen to AMD but I doubt they are going anywhere.
2. Motorola - I haven't followed them as closely but as I understand it they are having trouble in with their Cell Phone division. I could see that being sold off to another company but they have other areas like Cable modems, Cable boxes and other areas that should remain strong.
3. Qwest - Is certainly in need of real leadership. They've been in a holding pattern for several years. I would like to see them get bought out by Verizon as that would be very good for the areas they cover. I hope that AT&T doesn't try to acquire them as that would be worse then the holding pattern they are in IMHO.
4. Sprint - Sprint does look like it's having lots of troubles holding on to customers. Reports that I've seen have indicated that their customer service is one of the biggest reasons why the aren't doing well and haven't for a long time. If anything happens to them it will likely be a take over from one of the larger cell phone providers like Verizon. | |
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| Re: Doubt It said by jdjbuffalo :2. Motorola - I haven't followed them as closely but as I understand it they are having trouble in with their Cell Phone division. I could see that being sold off to another company but they have other areas like Cable modems, Cable boxes and other areas that should remain strong. Yea and AT&T just picked them up as a vendor for DSL modems as of late (the Motorola 2210) and from what I understand we also have a Motorola modem that has DSL and wireless capabilities as well. They may get rid of some divisions, but I know they will be making our modems for a while because AT&T just dumped efficient/Siemens.
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| Sprint actually has pretty decent tech support and customer service now. They fixed that problem a couple months ago, I haven't spoke to an Indian call center since about october, all representatives appear to be based in the US now. Their biggest problem is their failed merger with Nextel. Most of the subscribers losses are Nextel subscribers. Theirs is a prime example of a completely failed merger. They were companies that were focused at completely different market segments. Nextel had really great customer service and was focused primarily at business customers. Sprint was focused at consumers. When Sprint took over they tried to farm out everything to India which the business owners liked as much as a punch in the face. Neither company embraced the others technology, they didn't merge phones, they didn't merge services and they had separate management teams all up until recently. Although the previous CEO recognized too late that the outsourcing to India killed them and reversed the process it was way to late to save his job.
The new CEO has been on staff for a couple weeks now, give him 6months to a year to clean house, do a staff reduction or two and fire all the managers that have impeded the merger. Once that house is in order the churn will likely stabilize and they can look at growing their share of the market. First thing he did when he came on staff was fire a good chunk of the top management. IMO that was a very good move. | |
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Having been "served" by Verizon for a few years I was glad to relocate to a Qwest area (actually any non-Verizon area would be OK). Being treated as the enemy by your Telco provider )Verizon) gets old pretty quick. I certainly hope Verizon does not buy Qwest. But if they do there are two good VoIP providers here so I won't get stuck with the bottom of the barrel Verizon. | |
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| Re: AMD I hope they stay too. They have good technology and were responsible for making 64-bit technology available to the masses via their X64 instruction set that Intel ultimately wound up adopting. Unfortunately they just do not have the size and capital needed to stay competitive. If they disappear, Intel hardware is going to get much more expensive than it is now and I think much competition driven innovation will disappear.
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| Motherola Is still very strong in the land-mobile (two-way) radio business. They just recently acquired Vertex Standard, another big player in that market.
I suspect they'll be around much longer than "next year".
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| Re: Motherola said by drjim :Is still very strong in the land-mobile (two-way) radio business. They just recently acquired Vertex Standard, another big player in that market. I suspect they'll be around much longer than "next year". yep, that's one industry that will always make them money hand over fist. They did great research there with the 68xxHC (I think that's the chip number)chips in the 2 way radios.
There's some good trunking systems they have had. There's a group here in STL that is contracted as the primary installer and maintenance unit for motorola radios. I think they are called Saint Louis Electronics? or something like that. As far as motorola going under? I could make a vegas prediction that one is "not going to happen".
They would have to make some really boneheaded moves.
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| Re: Motherola Yeah, it surprised me when I heard about it. All too often acquisitions like this wind up being good for neither of the parties. Maybe Moto is looking to use the manufacturing expertise of Vertex to lower costs, or maybe Vertex has some other value to them.
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